Sam Carter/Amanda Tapping Discussion/Appreciation

[sg-1fanintn]

It's just a big oversight by those in charge of props and continuity, actually I think they've been locked up with the AF advisor too. Gee that closet is getting full

The way Sam answered Kowalski, she answered as a pilot would, not as someone who sits in the back. And remember in Redemption she was going to fly the F302 by herself until Jack said he'd go along to. So everything since the begining of the show implies that yes Sam is a pilot, (they just couldn't afford to buy the wings for her uniform)

What kind of wings is Sam wearing in this sig pic by AD, from Heroes?

[Lizlove]

What kind of wings is Sam wearing in this sig pic by AD, from Heroes?

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...s/AD-wings.jpg

I don't think those are wings. Because Jack wears that + his wings. At least I think so...

[ChevronSeven]

What kind of wings is Sam wearing in this sig pic by AD, from Heroes?

That is Senior Space/Missle Command badge

[ChevronSeven]

I don't think those are wings. Because Jack wears that + his wings. At least I think so...

I don't think that they call them wings. Wings are what Hammond and Jacob wear.

[Lizlove]

I don't think that they call them wings. Wings are what Hammond and Jacob wear.

Wait, so the second thing Jack wears on his uniform aren't his wings? I thouh he was a pilot for sure because he had his wings?

[ChevronSeven]

Wait, so the second thing Jack wears on his uniform aren't his wings? I thouh he was a pilot for sure because he had his wings?

First, I stand corrected. The top badge is, if I just rememberd correctly, called 'Jump Wings.' At least, that's what they call them in the Army.

Next, Jack is not a pilot. That was not his job in the Air Force. Jack's job was Special Forces - top, top secret. They all had to learn how to pilot gilders when they were at the Academy and may have flown some type of aircraft at some point in their career. Sam, after the Gulf war, probably went to work at the Pentagon and then began to work on the physics aspect of the Stargate. She then got herself transferred to the SGC and the rest is history.

With the F-302, it is a human/Goa'uld hybrid. So basically, it flies like a normal plane, which both Jack and Sam have had training. Jack had the most flight time in the F-302s. Not sure about Sam - it's never been established, but I'm sure she's logged enough hours in the F-302 because she can certainly handle being the lead pilot.

[Lizlove]

First, I stand corrected. The top badge is, if I just rememberd correctly, called 'Jump Wings.' At least, that's what they call them in the Army.

Next, Jack is not a pilot. That was not his job in the Air Force. Jack's job was Special Forces - top, top secret. They all had to learn how to pilot gilders when they were at the Academy and may have flown some type of aircraft at some point in their career. Sam, after the Gulf war, probably went to work at the Pentagon and then began to work on the physics aspect of the Stargate. She then got herself transferred to the SGC and the rest is history.

With the F-302, it is a human/Goa'uld hybrid. So basically, it flies like a normal plane, which both Jack and Sam have had training. Jack had the most flight time in the F-302s. Not sure about Sam - it's never been established, but I'm sure she's logged enough hours in the F-302 because she can certainly handle being the lead pilot.

Oh thanks! I got all confused
And damn does Jack has a lot of ribbons compared to Jacob.

[ChopinGal]

This is semi-OT but still has a message for those of us who miss the good old days of Stargate SG1 ...

A sci-fi buddy sent me the DVD set of Season One of The Closer (TNT Cable Channel) with Kyra Sedgwick (Kevin Bacon's wife) starring as Chief Deputy Brenda Johnson. She works an elite homicide unit in L.A. in charge of mostly a bunch of men who hate her guts at first as she is a transfer cop from Atlanta. I just spent six hours watching the first several episodes. I noticed that a few of the shows were written by different women and the producer is a woman.

This show has everything: it's gritty and edgy and the heroine is quirky, tough, vulnerable and smart. As a leader, she knows what she has to do for herself and how to delegate the rest. I love her sizing up a situation/crime scene and then delivering her orders rapid fire. It's rough going at first but she lets her actions speak for themselves (like Sam) and she does get results in the interrogation room (hence the title of the show).

I just thought to myself: what a premier first season! Every character draws you in! I found myself caring about each one of the cops, even the ones whom I would not want on my team. Why do I care? Because they are so well written and are so believable! Solid characterization is everything.

The women writers hold their own with the male writers. The bottom line is a quality product. I'm coming back for S2. No one is written as a caricature or "over the top for a laugh". It's all clever, fast, witty and the heroine tries to hide the chinks in her armor (love of junk food, her past indiscretions, her sometime troublesome need to go it alone). Yet, you see her emotions rise to the surface - she's not afraid to show her anger or compassion.

Seeing a quality product again just made me even more sad about the downhill slide of quality and care in Stargate.

[sg-1fanintn]

The animated gif came from one of Forever's posts - and it seemed fitting for the topic of whether or not Sam was a pilot. Of course, I always interpreted it that Carter was a pilot, so I was bummed when folks were pointing out that she wasn't wearing wings on her dress uniform. But the best part of the discussion was when someone else (Uber?) pointed out that Jack didn't wear wings either. At any rate, I love the comments about what must have been done to the AF advisor. LOL!

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Different topic:

What *SHOULD* have happened:

‘Ready to go, Carter?’ Jack asked.

‘Ready, sir.’

‘I want you kids to check-in in twenty-four hours.’ Jack noted.

‘Yes, sir.’ Carter clipped her P90 to her vest and rested her hands on it.

Daniel grabbed Mitchell’s vest and pulled him back. ‘You might want to stand back a bit more.’

Mitchell looked at Daniel and opened his mouth to say something when Walter announced the seventh chevron lock and the wormhole activated. The blue backwash had Mitchell staggering back a little.

‘Woah.’

‘Told you.’ Daniel said smugly.

‘They warned us in training but they never told us it would be like that.’ Mitchell said his voice filled with wonderment.

Carter smiled and looked over at Jack. ‘With your permission, sir.’

Jack nodded. ‘Have fun.’

Teal’c bowed his head and walked swiftly up the ramp and into the wormhole. Daniel followed after him. Mitchell halted at the top of the ramp and Sam stopped next to him.

‘This isn’t going to hurt is it?’ Mitchell checked sticking his gun into the event horizon and making a lazy circle.

‘Not as much as it used to.’

‘Not as much as it used to?’ Mitchell turned his head to look at her. ‘What kind of answer is tha…’ She pushed him through and followed after him.


This last scene would have been so *smartly* done if it had been an actual scene in Season 9! It has humor - and symmetry that ties back to the first episode of the entire series. It allows Carter to play the seasoned, experienced role, and allows Mitchell to be the new guy. It would have paid homage to the series' roots and would have also set the stage for embarking on a new set of adventures.

What a missed opportunity!!!!


-the preceding scene is from the end of Chapter 12 of the fanfic 'A Pond With No Fish' by Rachel500. It's an S/J AU WIP.

Oh, Astro! Thanks for sharing! How wonderful it would have been to see it played like that.....and how much better we fans would have felt about the show's future if we had seen that!!! Thanks for sharing!

I think all of Season Nine could be described as a missed opportunity.

I second that emotion!

[binkpmmc]

I don't necessarily think that Sam (or Daniel or Teal'c) has outgrown SG-1. At least not the SG-1 that existed for the first eight seasons. That team is still something special, something to be revered. I do think, though, that SG-1 has become something more ordinary, more commonplace in season nine. The inclusion of Mitchell as an everyman and as "just a soldier" has reduced the feeling that SG-1 is something unique.

Also, the downgrading of the whole operation (as indicated in The Ties That Bind) and the wholesale change of personnel with a new, inexperienced (in offworld matters) commander as well as a civilian doctor has reduced the "closed shop" feel of the entire SGC. It largely feels now like SGC is just some run of the mill posting where any random officer might get stationed for a while.

My point is that I don't think Sam, Daniel, or Teal'c outgrew their previous selves so much as everything else around them has become too commonplace. Of course Daniel is going to look like he should be doing more so long as he's being "led" by someone so beneath his caste. The same goes for Sam and Teal'c. The whole feeling of them being on "Mitchell's" team is unnatural. It lessens them while raising him. But like most unnatural things, it affronts the senses, too.

When you throw in the way in which Mitchell conducts himself, his mien and his deportment, it further reduces the uniqueness of the SG-1 team. Previously, each team member was a distinct individual and someone who was specifically chosen to be part of an elite squad. Now, though, TPTB have added someone who is supposed to be "like us". The problem with that is we're all not exactly SG-1 material. Having some one like the audience on the team might have been an attempt to connect with newer viewers, but all it's really done is make Sam and Teal'c and Daniel seem that much more "ahead" of Cameron. They seem out of place because they're so much more capable and, frankly, better than he is. The addition of his less than stellar skills as a soldier and leader just exacerbate this issue.

So, in summation:
Sam is still exceptional. Daniel is still exceptional. Teal'c is still exceptional. And they're still overwhelmingly cool. It's everything else that's different.

can't green you so ---

[sg-1fanintn]

Congratulations,
astrogeologist
&
ReganX,
on 2,000 posts!

[sg-1fanintn]

That is Senior Space/Missle Command badge

I'm glad someone here knows, and can keep us straight. Thanks, ChevronSeven!!!

[sg-1fanintn]

hello samandans!!! I haven't been around for a while (I don't have the net at my house) so I thought today, since I was able to get on, it would be a good day to post some icons!! I'm actually making more...I have nothing to do in my rinky-dink little town during the summer. Sorry if some are repeats. Enjoy!!!!

Wonderful icons!!! Thanks for sharing! Sounds like a little boredom is good for your creative soul!!!

[sg-1fanintn]

Does anyone else think that we need a FULL explanation as to why Sam isn't the commander of SG-1 in s10 or is that just me? To me, SG-1 is and always will be Sam's team regardless of whether the Farscape cast are there or not. Not that anything would even come *close* to excusing the fact that she wasn't automatically their CO when she returned, of course, but it would do. For now.

Sorry if my post sounds angry but I object to anyone messing with Sam as a character. She's just as important as Jack O'Neill and she deserves as much respect.

I have read here at GW that the leadership issue will be resolved in S10, during a scene between Landry and Mitchell.....but I can't remember when I read that, or in what article I found it. I guess we'll have to wait and see, but I definitely agree with you!!!

[ReganX]

Does anyone else think that we need a FULL explanation as to why Sam isn't the commander of SG-1 in s10 or is that just me? To me, SG-1 is and always will be Sam's team regardless of whether the Farscape cast are there or not. Not that anything would even come *close* to excusing the fact that she wasn't automatically their CO when she returned, of course, but it would do. For now.

I think that Sam gives off more of a leader* aura than Mitchell does. I always get the feeling that if there was ever a situation where Mitchell was advocating a certain course of action and Sam another, both Daniel and Teal'c, together with most of the SGC, would be far more inclined to trust Sam's instincts. She's the one they would look to, consciously or not, when leadership was needed.

There shouldn't be an explanation for why Sam isn't in command in Season Ten, she should be immediately restored to command of SG-1, promoted if need be. Since that'll happen a few weeks after never, as she cannot possibly be allowed to upstage the hewo, I'd be afraid that the "explanation" the writers will come up with is that Cam selflessly offered to give up the post of his dreams to Sam when she returned - despite the fact that he was badgering her to return to "join" his team in "Avalon, Part 1", even using emotional blackmail to try to win her over - but Sam refused because she knew that he would do a much, much, much better job that she ever could.



*Note: I define a leader as somebody with the experience, intelligence, competence and strength of character to actually lead a team, to respect them and their abilities and to protect them at all costs.

Not as the numpty who gets a kick out of playing hero and who recklessly puts his team at risk because he's having a bad day.