Sam Carter/Amanda Tapping Discussion/Appreciation

[keshya]

That's always a big question. Is she going on Atlantis or not? It's like they still don't really know what to do with her. I recently heard she was going the second half of the season to Atlantis. It's just isn't normal, I mean, she already has like no position on SG1 and now there is a possibility she won't do the whole season?

first jack gone and now sam? what's up with that? ok, she won't be really 'gone' gone, but still... SG1 without jack AND sam?

[AmberLM]

That's always a big question. Is she going on Atlantis or not? It's like they still don't really know what to do with her. I recently heard she was going the second half of the season to Atlantis. It's just isn't normal, I mean, she already has like no position on SG1 and now there is a possibility she won't do the whole season?

Yeah, it's called "Phasing out in favour of a newer model" and it stinks! A movie quote comes to mind right now:

Slimeball in charge of getting rid of Sam: "I'm pond scum. Well, lower actually. I'm like the fungus that feeds on pond scum."

Me: "Lower. The pus that infects the mucus that cruds up the fungus that feeds on the pond scum."

Slimeball in charge of getting rid of Sam: "It makes me fungus."

Me: "Yes it does!"

Thanks to Michael O'Neill & Julianna Potter from 'My Best Friend's Wedding' for that exchange!

BTW I kind of agree with whoever said that SG-1 have outgrown Stargate now but that's still no excuse to write the original characters as if they're second fiddle to the newbies!

[Lizlove]

To me, Sam Carter has outgrown SG-1 now. I also feel that way about Teal'c and Daniel.

You mean they shouldn't be in Stargate anymore? Have the new serie with them?

[scarimor]

You mean they shouldn't be in Stargate anymore? Have the new serie with them?

Seriously? Ok. Stargate SG-1 should not have been renewed past season 8. The characters of Sam, Daniel and Teal'c are not that plausible staying where they've been so long in the world TPTB have presented to us over the years. Sam should be running an off-world site dedicated to exploring and advancing technology. Daniel should be exploring the Pegasus galaxy from Atlantis and looking into the Ancients. Teal'c should be at the heart of the new Free Jaffa Nation, ensuring its prosperity, values and future. These three are veterans of enormous knowledge and experience. Cheyenne Mountain is too small for them.

TPTB should have started a new franchise if they wanted to run new characters based out of earth, with a fresh new lead actor and team "leader". But they probably wanted the kudos of a X-Files equalling 9th season, and then the bigger kudos of a record-breaking 10th season, and all the publicity they could generate with a 200th episode, to promote their show in the media; and they couldn't do that if they started a new franchise.

But they also wanted to grab the publicity-generating excitement which comes with a new show with established actors playing brand new characters, which is why the 200th episode celebrations in clips and interviews don't feature the actors who made those 200 episodes, only the new ones. That's why you get comments in articles like "All eyes are on Ben Browder, new leader..." etc. In essence, TPTB found a way to have their cake and eat it on the marketing front. The result is a TV show which, for want of a better phrase, is leaking structural integrity.

[AmberLM]

Seriously? Ok. Stargate SG-1 should not have been renewed past season 8. The characters of Sam, Daniel and Teal'c are not that plausible staying where they've been so long in the world TPTB have presented to us over the years. Sam should be running an off-world site dedicated to exploring and advancing technology. Daniel should be exploring the Pegasus galaxy from Atlantis and looking into the Ancients. Teal'c should be at the heart of the new Free Jaffa Nation, ensuring its prosperity, values and future. These three are veterans of enormous knowledge and experience. Cheyenne Mountain is too small for them.

TPTB should have started a new franchise if they wanted to run new characters based out of earth, with a fresh new lead actor and team "leader". But they probably wanted the kudos of a X-Files equalling 9th season, and then the bigger kudos of a record-breaking 10th season, and all the publicity they could generate with a 200th episode, to promote their show in the media; and they couldn't do that if they started a new franchise.

But they also wanted to grab the publicity-generating excitement which comes with a new show with established actors playing brand new characters, which is why the 200th episode celebrations in clips and interviews don't feature the actors who made those 200 episodes, only the new ones. That's why you get comments in articles like "All eyes are on Ben Browder, new leader..." etc. In essence, TPTB found a way to have their cake and eat it on the marketing front. The result is a TV show which, for want of a better phrase, is leaking structural integrity.

I couldn't have put it more eloquently! Amen to that!

[Lizlove]

Seriously? Ok. Stargate SG-1 should not have been renewed past season 8. The characters of Sam, Daniel and Teal'c are not that plausible staying where they've been so long in the world TPTB have presented to us over the years. Sam should be running an off-world site dedicated to exploring and advancing technology. Daniel should be exploring the Pegasus galaxy from Atlantis and looking into the Ancients. Teal'c should be at the heart of the new Free Jaffa Nation, ensuring its prosperity, values and future. These three are veterans of enormous knowledge and experience. Cheyenne Mountain is too small for them.
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Yeah, you're right about it. Personally I would have liked if it had stopped after S7 or 8 too. Those were good mysterious ends. Either for a movie or for a new serie staring Teal'c, Daniel and Sam as Guest Stars.
They could have continued with Atlantis. That one is still fresh and has a lot of potential.

But like I already said all things related to Stargate brings a lot of money to the production and it became very popular in the least years. After adding BB & CB from Farscape, who already was a known serie, they only made more and diverser fans. In their mind, it's good they added new characters. The only problems is that they started to neglect the others to concentrate on the newbies. It all could have gone way smoothlier if only they hadn't put those new characters on us without a warning.

I only hope that the series will end after this season. Because frankly they don't have much good ideas anymore for scripts. One thing can only be used that much of times. Especially with all the scifi that there already is out there.

[binkpmmc]

Does anyone else think that we need a FULL explanation as to why Sam isn't the commander of SG-1 in s10 or is that just me? To me, SG-1 is and always will be Sam's team regardless of whether the Farscape cast are there or not. Not that anything would even come *close* to excusing the fact that she wasn't automatically their CO when she returned, of course, but it would do. For now.

Sorry if my post sounds angry but I object to anyone messing with Sam as a character. She's just as important as Jack O'Neill and she deserves as much respect.

I agree 1000% -

[binkpmmc]

To me, Sam Carter has outgrown SG-1 now. I also feel that way about Teal'c and Daniel.

and I have to agree with this 1000% - the way the show is being written is crass, childish, immature, whee goody space ships, dumbed-down clap-trap nonsense fit for the demo of 12-15 year old pre-pubescent boys (and if I didn't know better I would say that is who is writing, directing and selling the show now). It is embarrassing and I would be more than happy for AT, MS and CJ if they walked away while they still have their dignity because mitchell, vala and the b@b are running pretty low in that department right now and S10 has promise to run their tanks dry of dignity. AT, MS and CJ represent the very best of SG1 when it was dignified, well-written, intelligent and unique. By havng them still around it keeps a very small amount of that dignity around but with the way things are going even their presence cannot help the show much.

[scifi_girl]

[QUOTE=AmberLM]Yeah, it's called "Phasing out in favour of a newer model" and it stinks! QUOTE]

Yeah i agree with that. i can kind of understand bringing in new people, but i think they've done a bad job of it. i think they brought mitchell in too fast, and too many new characters at one time. not just that though i feel that even if you bring in new characters you have to respect the old characters, and i just feel like they havent done that.

[scifi_girl]

first jack gone and now sam? what's up with that? ok, she won't be really 'gone' gone, but still... SG1 without jack AND sam?

absolutely. i miss jack, i cant imagine what it would be like without jack and sam.

as for whether we need an explantation on why sam isnt in charge of sg-1. i agree we do need an explanation. i cant understand why we havent already been given an explanation i think they should have given an explanation as soon as sam came back, but thats just my humble opinion

[golfbooy]

I don't necessarily think that Sam (or Daniel or Teal'c) has outgrown SG-1. At least not the SG-1 that existed for the first eight seasons. That team is still something special, something to be revered. I do think, though, that SG-1 has become something more ordinary, more commonplace in season nine. The inclusion of Mitchell as an everyman and as "just a soldier" has reduced the feeling that SG-1 is something unique.

Also, the downgrading of the whole operation (as indicated in The Ties That Bind) and the wholesale change of personnel with a new, inexperienced (in offworld matters) commander as well as a civilian doctor has reduced the "closed shop" feel of the entire SGC. It largely feels now like SGC is just some run of the mill posting where any random officer might get stationed for a while.

My point is that I don't think Sam, Daniel, or Teal'c outgrew their previous selves so much as everything else around them has become too commonplace. Of course Daniel is going to look like he should be doing more so long as he's being "led" by someone so beneath his caste. The same goes for Sam and Teal'c. The whole feeling of them being on "Mitchell's" team is unnatural. It lessens them while raising him. But like most unnatural things, it affronts the senses, too.

When you throw in the way in which Mitchell conducts himself, his mien and his deportment, it further reduces the uniqueness of the SG-1 team. Previously, each team member was a distinct individual and someone who was specifically chosen to be part of an elite squad. Now, though, TPTB have added someone who is supposed to be "like us". The problem with that is we're all not exactly SG-1 material. Having some one like the audience on the team might have been an attempt to connect with newer viewers, but all it's really done is make Sam and Teal'c and Daniel seem that much more "ahead" of Cameron. They seem out of place because they're so much more capable and, frankly, better than he is. The addition of his less than stellar skills as a soldier and leader just exacerbate this issue.

So, in summation:
Sam is still exceptional. Daniel is still exceptional. Teal'c is still exceptional. And they're still overwhelmingly cool. It's everything else that's different.

[scifi_girl]

nice post golfbooy

[Skydiver]

i do have to agree, it's become too ordinary

they've stretched the boundaries too much on plausible deniability. half the 'fun' of the first seasons was the pressure of doing this super duper top secret cool thing. and yes, the impression was that the sgc was the best and the brightest and more elite...now it seems that any tom, dick or harry who has the right connections can get posted there.

they've also gone beyond stretching the bounds of believability

too much is happening on earth, in the 'real world' to have it be remotely believable. buildings vanishing, aliens running amuck, goauld taking over businesss, jaffa dashing through the forest...they've pushed that envelope far too far and it's totally undermined the credibilty of the show

then add to it, ahem, colorful characters running around. such as in ties that bind maybe

Spoiler:

they take vala to speak to the policitican???? yeah, ok sure she had to stay in close proximity of daniel, but why take her in the room, other than to indulge themselves in a yuk-yuk penis size joke

the show is now a farce. it USED to be the tale of elite soldiers and civilians fighting an impossible battle, now it's just anyone who wants to play and they're goofing aroudn and having such a good time

that's what drew me to sam in the first place. she wasn't there just to be the token damsel in distress or the 'girl that dies to send the hero on his quest', she was an equal part of the team. she was no more important or less important than anyone else. she was a girl that was one of the guys

she was a real representation of women today. a woman that didn't trade on her cleavage, connections or bedroom antics to get ahead. she worked hard and honorably and accomplished her goal

i wish the B@B could see that and write more women like sam used to be written. i wish they'd get thier heads out of their hormones and stop watching the three stooges and just write scifi and continue to give us some great characters.

cause, you know, if the characters are good, the story doesn't matter as much. but if the characters are weak, the story matters...and thier story telling skills are rather lacking over all

[astrogeologist]

that's what drew me to sam in the first place. she wasn't there just to be the token damsel in distress or the 'girl that dies to send the hero on his quest', she was an equal part of the team. she was no more important or less important than anyone else. she was a girl that was one of the guys

she was a real representation of women today. a woman that didn't trade on her cleavage, connections or bedroom antics to get ahead. she worked hard and honorably and accomplished her goal

i wish the B@B could see that and write more women like sam used to be written. i wish they'd get thier heads out of their hormones and stop watching the three stooges and just write scifi and continue to give us some great characters.

cause, you know, if the characters are good, the story doesn't matter as much. but if the characters are weak, the story matters...and thier story telling skills are rather lacking over all

Well said, Skydiver!

[Lizlove]

Hmmmmmmmm,

Most improved: “Stargate.”

This beloved Sci Fi series began showing its age last year. But the introduction of Ben Browder as the new team leader and some snappier writing injected life into the show, which will celebrate its 10th season this summer.

=> by Jeff Hidek from http://www.wilmingtonstar.com

God!! That's just so wrong. They don't know the actual show at all!