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**JessM** · 24 May 2006, 03:52 AM

Originally posted by fishyone

I really liked that part. It was very cute but also very friendly. It reminded me of the good times of the team.

Me too. And I really liked that

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**JessM** · 24 May 2006, 03:54 AM

Originally posted by fishyone

Arthur's Mantle was what I really liked about the season. I thought it was coming back to the roots of the show. Sam was doing her work through the night scientist thing. (*sigh* Mitchell stepped into the Jack role of trying to draw her away... *sigh again*) Daniel worked with his books and legends to discover the answers. Teal'c was in a fearsome warrior mode... Pretty good episode in my opinion...

I think I said this before, but I agree that Arthur's Mantle was almost hearkening back to the good old days. I fear that we may never see that again. I was not really crazy about any episodes in S9, but if I have to pick a favorite, it would be that one. Plus Dr. Lee's antics cracked me up too.

**ForeverSg1** · 24 May 2006, 03:58 AM

Originally posted by ÜberSG-1Fan

Daniel...Give me back my phone! I only have 14 minutes left to vote for Katharine McPhee!
Daniel: Sorry Sam...but this year's SO going to Taylor Hicks.

I totally agree with Daniel and Kallesta says that she gives Taylor 100 points so there ya have it. I think poor Sam is just wasting her mone on the voting.

**ReganX** · 24 May 2006, 03:58 AM

Originally posted by JessM

Totally agree with you there. Same thing in Singularity when she thought that Cassie was going to die. She was willing to be there with her even if it meant giving up her own life. I'm sure there's many other examples, but that's the only one I can come up with now. We do need Sam here on the show, and I hope TPTB realize that and keep her on the show for as long as it lasts (and NOT reduce her role or turn her into wallpaper

).

One of my favourite examples of Sam's selflessness is when she healed Cronus in "Fair Game". She has never been comfortable with Goa'uld technology and through Jolinar, she had personal feelings against Cronus but she was able to get past those feelings and do what she had to, allowing the treaty to continue and thereby saving Earth.

**JessM** · 24 May 2006, 03:59 AM

Originally posted by astrogeologist

I am a geologist

- good to meet another one here in the thread

And ForeverSG-1 made the wonderful sig pic for me.

Likewise!

And that is a cool sig pic. I incorporated some geology-speak into one of my fics, which was a bit of fun. Sort of hearkening back to my days as a grad student when I had to attend colloquia, do presentations, etc.[/QUOTE]

I loved the scene where Carter is the one driving the cool red sportscar!

Me too. IMO that was the coolest vehicle she's driven in the series (yes, I'm counting the motorcycle and that other car she had... in Desperate Measures I think?).

**JessM** · 24 May 2006, 04:00 AM

Originally posted by ÜberSG-1Fan

Daniel...Give me back my phone! I only have 14 minutes left to vote for Katharine McPhee!
Daniel: Sorry Sam...but this year's SO going to Taylor Hicks.

LOL... so cute! Let me guess, American Idol? (sorry if I sound dim, but I don't really follow that show...)

**JessM** · 24 May 2006, 04:02 AM

Originally posted by ÜberSG-1Fan

*gasp*

DUDE.

The two finalists for American Idol...although I had hoped I'd see Paris up there competing against Chris...but oh well.

It's just a silly caption folks!

But I loved that moment between Sam and Daniel...about Emmett leaving countless messages on his voice mail. LOL

Ah, I see... just ignore my last question then. *slaps head* That was a great caption though, lol.

I loved that moment too... kind of cute (yeah, I'm saying "cute" a lot here... lol).

**JessM** · 24 May 2006, 04:11 AM

Originally posted by fishyone

Yeah, I agree with the whole ship thing. I have to admit that's one of the things I don't like about the way the writers have written Sam's character more recently (season 7/8). She became a woman looking for a boyfriend rather than a talented, capable scientist and soldier. Sam is not a woman that needs a guy to feel good about herself. And I'm perfectly happy not seeing my ship on screen (because I don't trust the writers). I'd much rather the show be ship-free and go back to being about a team. Ship stuff seemed to stop this... The team seemed to always be being broken up... split in twos...and the nice dynamic was lost. It may just be me, but it drives me crazy when they split it like that (seems like Daniel's always stuck with Teal'c), and the friendships that I loved so much are gone.

I hope season 10 can bring this back, but I'm a pessimist by nature.

Again I agree with you. I may be in the minority here when it comes to seasons 7 or 8, but I felt that at times they were turning into "Stardate" or "As the Stargate Turns" with all the relationship stuff. I know someone else here said that she has a right to companionship, or something like that. I don't deny that. But when it's made such a big focus of the story, it loses me. I think there were times that they dwelled too much on Sam's uncertainties with respect to her feelings, and IMO it kind of took something away from the strong soldier that she's supposed to be. I know that she's not all soldier and she is a woman who has some frailties and likes to be feminine and have a personal life, but I don't like it when they focus on it too much. Every once in a while is okay, but don't devote a whole show's subplot to it.

I emphasize that everyone is entitled to their opinion, and this is just the way I feel personally. I do agree with you fishyone that ship can endanger the team dynamic, which is why I'd also like to see Season 10 as ship-free as possible. IMO, that way, everyone wins because we can all come to our own conclusions about our respective ships... and we can always further things in fanfic.

**JessM** · 24 May 2006, 04:12 AM

Originally posted by astrogeologist

Virtual TV Guide Stargate Spoiler: Colonel Carter leads a special team on a clandestine offworld mission while Mitchell and Vala cope with her daughter's capriciousness.
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Daniel and Teal'c would be a part of Carter's special offworld mission. Their mission would be gripping and suspenseful... dangerous and heroic. The Mitchell/Vala/daughter segments would be be a second (B) storyline that would tie into TPTB overall arc for Vala's daughter's character and the Ori (a little background character-study stuff about Vala's daughter).

Is this for real, or did you just make this up? Stupid question I guess... but I would love to see this onscreen.

**JessM** · 24 May 2006, 04:19 AM

Originally posted by majorsal

i never saw ship splitting the team up. i saw the writers splitting the team up, which they did in season 9, which had no ship in it... hmmm. i say hmmm.

sally

I agree that the writers did seem to split the team up in season 9 definitely, but I think ship can be capable of doing that as well. I remember someone saying on another forum (OS I think) that Sam is no longer a friend to Daniel because of the S/J ship that was played up in eps like Divide and Conquer, Beneath the Surface, and different eps in season 7 and 8. I guess that's being a little extreme, but s/he said that Sam hasn't been a friend to him in ages, ever since around season 4 when the ship was projected more (or something to that effect). I don't know if I see that, but I think there were times that Daniel and Sam's camaraderie (I know I spelled that wrong... mea culpa in advance...lol) seemed somewhat strained from season 4 on (with the exception of some nice friendship moments in seasons 7 and 8). I don't know if it has anything to do with the writers promoting S/J ship or not, but the whole "ship splitting the team up" thing reminded me of that person's comment.

**KatG** · 24 May 2006, 04:22 AM

Originally posted by SunKrux

*snurched from KatG's post...

Did anyone else feel that in THEIR toes? Holy hannah! What a kiss! Why couldn't I have taken over Amanda's body just long enough to enjoy that kiss with RDA?

Oh yeah...Amanda/Sam ROCKS! Especially with that kiss!

*fans self Is it hot in here?

*grabs a fan*

Oh yeah. Definitely hot in here. And the best part about it, is the kiss just keeps going and going and going and going and....

Whew!

Geez, isn't Amanda a lucky, lucky woman?

**JessM** · 24 May 2006, 04:32 AM

Originally posted by fishyone

I'd cite Evolution and Affinity as examples of ship ruining friendship... I guess it doesn't really cover splitting the team, but I said it was possible that it was just me... I also see it in Lost City and Threads... Daniel and Teal'c show up together in Lost City, and then in Threads, it's Sam and Jack at the lake and later Daniel and Teal'c. But I could be seeing things differently...

Thanks, I couldn't think of any eps offhand that would support that notion, but I agree with you. Then again I guess I'm just seeing things differently, too. Oh, and I have one to add... I guess this doesn't really count, but I see it in Moebius Part 2 also, ending at the lake. And

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But I must cite that one as well. I think it would have been so much better to end Threads and Moebius with all of them at the lake together, sitting with fishing poles, maybe Daniel making a snarky comment about fishing, prompting a laugh from Sam and some cute little defensive reply from Jack.

But, again, as Dennis Miller says, "That's only my opinion, of course I could be wrong."

**JessM** · 24 May 2006, 04:34 AM

Originally posted by fishyone

Ah, okay. I thought of another one: Moebius, with Jack and Sam in the jumper and Daniel and Teal'c elsewhere... Or the great moment in Out of Mind where Sam tells Daniel to go with Makepeace because "he's wounded" and then goes back to take out the generator and rescue Jack. Um, right. Daniel's wounded, so he should go assult the gate with the others?

Sorry. I guess that was a bit of a rant. That just bugs me (and not even for ship reasons. That's just flawed reasoning in my opinion.)

Oops I didn't see this post before I did my little rant just earlier. Although I think I did add to it... I wasn't happy with what happened in Out of Mind either (though I think that might have been Into the Fire?).

**JessM** · 24 May 2006, 04:39 AM

Originally posted by Deevil

I agree, these storylines worked to make Sam slightly more rounded. I don't think that being in a relationship actually challenged Sam's kick butt attitude either. She still went off on a possible suicide mission in New Order and the like. The only thing that got me with the Sam/Pete relationship that made absolutly no sense whatsoever was at the end of Affinity where at the 'crime scene' she not only accepted Pete's proposal but then followed up by kissing him.

Very unprofessional, and very contrary to the Sam that we know.

Yeah, that sort of bugged me too, with her saying "yes" what was it, 8 times or something? And then the kiss? It also bugged me how she didn't seem interested in Daniel's welfare at all. I mean, the guy had been captured, then zatted and was lying there unconscious! Later we see someone else attending to him and Krista. Whether you're into S/D or not, the fact is that these two are friends and have been for a long time. Who abandons their friends in such a way? That really bugged me.

**JessM** · 24 May 2006, 04:41 AM

Originally posted by ReganX

One of my favourite examples of Sam's selflessness is when she healed Cronus in "Fair Game". She has never been comfortable with Goa'uld technology and through Jolinar, she had personal feelings against Cronus but she was able to get past those feelings and do what she had to, allowing the treaty to continue and thereby saving Earth.

Ah yes, I forgot about that one. That was a very good one.

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