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Originally posted by Skydiverspoilers about the ficSpoiler:
sam is raped, repeatedly in exchange for the aliens not killing jack and daniel. quite obviously she has some serious issues with it, and not just nightmares and flashbacks. there are also physical manifictations ofher issues.
jack takes her up to his cabin to help her heal and, well to keep her out of a mental ward
the rapes aren't horribly explicit, but they are also explicit in a way, not quite a blow by blow account but more details than 'i was raped'
not one for the faint of heart.
it's also a long fic, i think all 5 chapters come to over 200 pagesYepp, it's blank down here.
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Personally I think it'd go more like..
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Jack: You mean there's a reality where you'll [leans in to whisper in Sam's ear]
Sam: [stares at him for a moment] No.
Jack: Ah, that's a shame....
Originally posted by minigeekLOL - actually...
Spoiler:Taking into account the sheer number of realities we've already seen where Sam and Jack area already snoggin' (including this one!! *g*) - it'd be more likely the scene would go:
Jack: Does that mean that somewhere out there, there's a reality where you and I DIDN'T spend last night ... (he leans over and whispers something inaudible into her ear)
Sam: (blushing) Theoretically... (she looks up at him with a sly smile) ... but I doubt it.
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Originally posted by minigeekI tend not to be a big fan of those types of stories (in fanfiction) and usually I'll skip them because I find that too often the issue(s) aren't treated appropriately and/or the author puts a character (like Sam) into a non-con situation wherein I don't buy that she'd be a victim. It took some serious persuasion for me to read this particular piece of work, but in the end, I think this author actually came up with a scenario I buy into. Carter's such a strong character, in many ways, I'm very particular about what types of scenarios I'll deem OOC for her to go through. All I can say about this story is that I found it to be emotionally resonant, not implausible, deeply disturbing at times, but also deeply moving and very respectful to the kind of 'devotion' that (I personally feel) Sam and Jack have for one another, both professionally and personally. Sky's right though, it's not much of a team fic, it's very S/J focussed, with Janet and Daniel thrown in for good measure.
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Originally posted by MyrthPersonally I think it'd go more like..
Spoiler:
Jack: You mean there's a reality where you'll [leans in to whisper in Sam's ear]
Sam: [stares at him for a moment] No.
Jack: Ah, that's a shame....
Yepp, it's blank down here.
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I normally don't read the non-con stories but I did read Stix varia's Surviving, and found it was well written and could bring a tear to your eye. It was integral to the plot but there was so much more with the team, and yes it was a team fic
http://vikingchick.gyrfalcon.net/surviving.htm
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here's a question for you guys. (and a very top topic too)
would you have wanted to see a sam-rape story on stargate?
my answer: yes. BUT, *only* if it would have been written well (as in a woman writing it) AND it would have had reprocussions to it (as in following up that this event had lasting impressions). too many big things have happened to sam over time that have not been shown to have lasting impacts.
thoughts?
sallysally
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Originally posted by majorsalhere's a question for you guys. (and a very top topic too)
would you have wanted to see a sam-rape story on stargate?
my answer: yes. BUT, *only* if it would have been written well (as in a woman writing it) AND it would have had reprocussions to it (as in following up that this event had lasting impressions). too many big things have happened to sam over time that have not been shown to have lasting impacts.
thoughts?
sally
I fail to see the enjoyment factor of exploring how multiple rapes affect the character.
Sorry to sound judgemental, but I find the thought of it sick.Last edited by Lightsabre; 26 January 2006, 08:18 PM.
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Originally posted by majorsalhere's a question for you guys. (and a very top topic too)
would you have wanted to see a sam-rape story on stargate?
my answer: yes. BUT, *only* if it would have been written well (as in a woman writing it) AND it would have had reprocussions to it (as in following up that this event had lasting impressions). too many big things have happened to sam over time that have not been shown to have lasting impacts.
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sally
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Originally posted by LightsabreI wouldn't want to see anyone write a rape story period. I think the gender of the author is completely irrelevant as well.
I fail to see the enjoyment factor of exploring how multiple rapes affect the character.
Sorry to sound judgemental, but I think it's kinda sick.
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Originally posted by minigeekThe author's note covers it well (from the first story):
http://www.sg1-heliopolis.com/helio2.../aleaiacta.php
I can also say, despite the tremendous whumping, that this story contains several of the most beautifully eloquted Sam/Jack emotonal moments I've read as well.
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Originally posted by Mandysg1I normally don't read the non-con stories but I did read Stix varia's Surviving, and found it was well written and could bring a tear to your eye. It was integral to the plot but there was so much more with the team, and yes it was a team fic
http://vikingchick.gyrfalcon.net/surviving.htm
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Originally posted by ForeverSg1If this is the story I remember, I think this story started out wonderfully and then lost me around the end of the third chapter when Jack started using nicknames like 'baby'. I can deal with these kind of nicknames once or twice in a fic, but over and over drives me batty. It's like nails on a chalkboard. Give me a good Sam whumping any day of the week, but stories totally lose me when S/J get over the top mushy.
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Originally posted by minigeekThat is judgemental. First of all. Second of all, the gender of the author, in this case, *would* make a substantial difference - and if you do not realize that, then you have no concept of the reality behind the situation you're passing such arrogant commentary on. Thirdly, as a survivor, I take immense umberage with your casual disregard and pithy disrespect for the very notion that fiction or non-fiction scenarios written or read can be a tremendous outlet for anyone who's ever needed to feel "not alone" with this type of situation, at the end of it all. Your logic is cold and uninformed, and I would thank you please, not to pass sweeping judgement on a literary subjectmatter you cannot possibly begin to empathize with.
I fail to see how a woman writing a rape story would write it well, but a man wouldn't.
Before I address the rest of your completely out of line post, I will remind you that the question was "would you want a rape story on GW".
I don't. So that's what I posted.
You are the one who is dening me a)the right to express MY opinion
and b)attacking and insulting me for holding said opinion.
I did not say that no one could write or post a rape scenario, I said I would not like to read one.
I also said I find the idea a little bit sick. You find it offensive that I find the idea of rape sickening?
I said absoloutly nothing about writing being used as an outlet, but the cold hard fact is that even if the writer writes it as a release, they do not need to publish it.
You call me cold and uninformed, assume I could not emphasise with the subject matter and tell me I have no concept of it.
So let me ask you this, how do you know I'm not a survivor.
Maybe you should let others have their opinions, rather than attacking and attempting to shout them down, when they disagree with you.
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Originally posted by majorsalhere's a question for you guys. (and a very top topic too)
would you have wanted to see a sam-rape story on stargate?
my answer: yes. BUT, *only* if it would have been written well (as in a woman writing it) AND it would have had reprocussions to it (as in following up that this event had lasting impressions). too many big things have happened to sam over time that have not been shown to have lasting impacts.
thoughts?
sally
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