I hope that it’s ok to interrupt this rewatch to comment on issues surrounding S/J’s post threads relationship. I just finished reading this thread and there is some interesting discussion about this on pg. 294-ish.
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It is completely believable to be that S/J married between Threads and Beacheads; after reading this (entire!) thread, reflecting on all the military relationships I’ve known, and the regulations it doesn’t make sense to me that they would not be. Military courtships (even when one party is a civilian) are often brief due to practical reasons; those haven’t been in may underestimate how often this happens. Though I don’t happen to know any marriages that occurred to keep a legitimate relationship from becoming an improper one (usually is to stay with your SO by making them a dependent or gaining the right to request a Joint Spouse assignment) it is a logical reason.
On the subjects of short courtships, Mil-to-Mil and Mil-to-Civ marriages, co-workers becoming couples, and being in the same chain of command…
There’s a lot of military in my family, all USAF enlisted, though my husband (military kid) has a hs friend that is an Army officer. We have 4+ (one upcoming) Mil-to-Mil and Mil-to-Civ marriages in my immediate family alone; everyone is currently separated or retired plus one pending enlistment.
When I was in tech school there was actually a briefing (among dozens) about how getting married in tech school (which is normally immediately after basic training) is a BAD idea and that 93% of tech school marriages end in divorce. I’m not sure if the statistic is real but I can believe it as most tech schools are 4 months or less (iirc). The one airman I knew who got married while in tech school to another airman was stationed separately than his wife (tech school for our AFSC/career field was too short to get orders changed in time) and was divorced within a year.
I met my husband in tech school but we didn’t get married until 15 months later; still a brief period by many persons’ standards (we’ve been married 12+ years). We actually only spent 10 weeks (total) of that 15 months in the same physical location; two months after we met I went to my duty station in Europe and three months later he went to his in AK. We were stationed apart for 2 years of the first 2yrs. 2mo. of our relationship. But, his family was stationed in Europe with me
) (different country) that first year. We calculated that we needed to get married at least 6 months prior to my DEROS (date expected to return from overseas) as that is when the process of generating orders begins, plus a 2-3 month buffer for our marriage to get in the system. Also considered was avoiding flying in the winter (too many delays), saving enough leave, and knowing where his family would be as his dad was due to PCS in the time frame we were considering. At some point I had to put in paperwork requesting to be co-located with my husband. I had purposely chosen an AFSC that was required on any AF base and being of low rank (E-4) at the time so chances were good that it would happen. I actually outranked my husband our entire time in the military ) though we did have different AFSCs and were in different squadrons.
As has been said, the issue is being in the same reporting chain (your supervisor, your supervisor’s supervisor, etc.) and not the chain of command in general. Mil-to-Mil (married) couples are stationed together if requested and if a position is available (Joint Spouse). If a couple has the same AFSC (enlisted, as officers usually don’t work in their AFSC) they’re going to end up in the same shop (office); it’s not preferred and your spouse can’t be your supervisor, but it happens. Though I’ve known many Mil-to-Mil couples in general, I do actually know 2 enlisted couples (each couple was within 2 pay-grades of each other) now married 9 and 11 years, that met and married while working in the same office--and there were no issues; one person later separated and returned to the office as a civilian. I know a third couple where there were repercussions because the E-5 was the E-3’s supervisor (I know that they were found out early on but I don't know other details as it happened just before I arrived at that shop and was otherwise none of this airman's business
). Couple 1 had each be married to others when they met but their marriages dissolved at different times for different reasons; by the time they got together they had known each other a couple of years as co-workers and friends in the same crowd, so their courtship was brief and they were married around 8 months later (I forget)—it probably would have happened earlier but they planned a full wedding. I also know a GS couple who had worked in the same squadron for years and knew each other, so when the married one divorced (unrelated to anyone outside the marriage) their courtship was brief as well—I think they were married within six months.
I do think overly much is made of them adjusting to their civilian relationship. My husband and I joined the military at the same time, I always outranked him, I’m older, but I was the one who sometimes said “I’m not your airman” in the first few years of our marriage. I see that issue as a consequence of upbringing/personality than of simply being in the military; one can act authoritarian without having been in the military.
Soooo, back to S/J, I find it not only believable but probable that they married sometime between Threads and Beachead.
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Originally posted by Jolinar_of_Malkshur
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I'm completely with you on this one. They both take their careers way too seriously to throw it all away for some secret affair, and after waiting so long for a relationship they are going to find a way to make it work and also keep their jobs and self-respect.
I can't believe that they would go so far as to break their relationship off with Sam's return to the SGC as, like I said, they waited so long to finally get there that it would be a hard thing to just throw it all away. So I'm of the belief that they must have took the chance and gotten married somewhere between Threads and Beachhead (I think that's the right ep?). After all those years of working closely together, developing such strong feelings for one another and knowing each other so well on many levels, I think it's a chance they'd likely take when finally able to do something about their feelings.
I can't believe that they would go so far as to break their relationship off with Sam's return to the SGC as, like I said, they waited so long to finally get there that it would be a hard thing to just throw it all away. So I'm of the belief that they must have took the chance and gotten married somewhere between Threads and Beachhead (I think that's the right ep?). After all those years of working closely together, developing such strong feelings for one another and knowing each other so well on many levels, I think it's a chance they'd likely take when finally able to do something about their feelings.
On the subjects of short courtships, Mil-to-Mil and Mil-to-Civ marriages, co-workers becoming couples, and being in the same chain of command…
There’s a lot of military in my family, all USAF enlisted, though my husband (military kid) has a hs friend that is an Army officer. We have 4+ (one upcoming) Mil-to-Mil and Mil-to-Civ marriages in my immediate family alone; everyone is currently separated or retired plus one pending enlistment.
When I was in tech school there was actually a briefing (among dozens) about how getting married in tech school (which is normally immediately after basic training) is a BAD idea and that 93% of tech school marriages end in divorce. I’m not sure if the statistic is real but I can believe it as most tech schools are 4 months or less (iirc). The one airman I knew who got married while in tech school to another airman was stationed separately than his wife (tech school for our AFSC/career field was too short to get orders changed in time) and was divorced within a year.
I met my husband in tech school but we didn’t get married until 15 months later; still a brief period by many persons’ standards (we’ve been married 12+ years). We actually only spent 10 weeks (total) of that 15 months in the same physical location; two months after we met I went to my duty station in Europe and three months later he went to his in AK. We were stationed apart for 2 years of the first 2yrs. 2mo. of our relationship. But, his family was stationed in Europe with me
) (different country) that first year. We calculated that we needed to get married at least 6 months prior to my DEROS (date expected to return from overseas) as that is when the process of generating orders begins, plus a 2-3 month buffer for our marriage to get in the system. Also considered was avoiding flying in the winter (too many delays), saving enough leave, and knowing where his family would be as his dad was due to PCS in the time frame we were considering. At some point I had to put in paperwork requesting to be co-located with my husband. I had purposely chosen an AFSC that was required on any AF base and being of low rank (E-4) at the time so chances were good that it would happen. I actually outranked my husband our entire time in the military ) though we did have different AFSCs and were in different squadrons. As has been said, the issue is being in the same reporting chain (your supervisor, your supervisor’s supervisor, etc.) and not the chain of command in general. Mil-to-Mil (married) couples are stationed together if requested and if a position is available (Joint Spouse). If a couple has the same AFSC (enlisted, as officers usually don’t work in their AFSC) they’re going to end up in the same shop (office); it’s not preferred and your spouse can’t be your supervisor, but it happens. Though I’ve known many Mil-to-Mil couples in general, I do actually know 2 enlisted couples (each couple was within 2 pay-grades of each other) now married 9 and 11 years, that met and married while working in the same office--and there were no issues; one person later separated and returned to the office as a civilian. I know a third couple where there were repercussions because the E-5 was the E-3’s supervisor (I know that they were found out early on but I don't know other details as it happened just before I arrived at that shop and was otherwise none of this airman's business
). Couple 1 had each be married to others when they met but their marriages dissolved at different times for different reasons; by the time they got together they had known each other a couple of years as co-workers and friends in the same crowd, so their courtship was brief and they were married around 8 months later (I forget)—it probably would have happened earlier but they planned a full wedding. I also know a GS couple who had worked in the same squadron for years and knew each other, so when the married one divorced (unrelated to anyone outside the marriage) their courtship was brief as well—I think they were married within six months.I do think overly much is made of them adjusting to their civilian relationship. My husband and I joined the military at the same time, I always outranked him, I’m older, but I was the one who sometimes said “I’m not your airman” in the first few years of our marriage. I see that issue as a consequence of upbringing/personality than of simply being in the military; one can act authoritarian without having been in the military.
Soooo, back to S/J, I find it not only believable but probable that they married sometime between Threads and Beachead.
No Sam w/o a Jack and no Jack w/o a Sam.
I still have Cor-ai and the rest of the eps following that to do. Not been too well and had my stepson to look after for nearly two weeks while his mum's been in hospital, but taking him home tomorrow so hopefully I'll find time to have a major catch up!
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, or a letter required (that is joined by other letters) that would go up the chain of command with the recommendations of the relevant people and the President would probably go with their recommendation. There are various others circumstances (and much more common I imagine) under which an airman can request “special treatment” if they fit the criteria and it gels with the needs of the AirForce, but those normally just go as high as the airman’s base commander and then are sent to the Personnel HQ (iirc).
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