Technically it's not a director's cut since the director was Mario Azzopardi and the new version was cut by executive producer Brad Wright. It is officially labelled, "Stargate SG-1 Children of the Gods Final Cut." Just FYI.
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Originally posted by brendini View PostMy vote is for the original, for what it's worth Honestly, the only reason I ever even thought about the director's cut was because of RDA's commentary, but I've read the transcript of it (or some of it lol), and it just wasn't as fun as I thought it'd be. Maybe I missed the fun parts? lol
I do remember RDA saying Amanda was "so pretty", that was sweet.
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I'm in the minority that really enjoyed the new cut. I definitely think one should see the original version, but I found that the characters felt a bit more like they eventually were. Yes, there is that one awkward reply in the briefing room, but the entire feel made it feel more...shippy in my head. It came across more like flirting than a confrontation. I also thought the music was better along with Teal'c's place in it (and I was glad the ditched the nudity).
I think it's worth seeing. You may not like it, but I found it had redeeming qualities to it and overall, prefer it to the original.
But then...I'm usually a weird one 'round here
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Originally posted by Lucycat View PostI was looking forward to hearing RDA's commentary too, hoping for some fun behind the scenes stories, but it was like he didn't remember much about the episode or filming it. Granted, it was filmed over a decade ago, but he didn't even seem to remember the "reproductive organs on the outside" speech when Brad told him they cut it. I think they needed Amanda there too, that would have been a much better commentary!
I do remember RDA saying Amanda was "so pretty", that was sweet.
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Originally posted by iiradned View PostAnd change in The Final Cut is that they removed Sha're's full frontal nudity. Stargate was originally shown on the cable channel Showtime and for them the rules on nudity and like were a little looser than it is for regular broadcast TV.
I had to cover my brother's eyes while trying to convince my mother that it hadn't been there when I watched the episode on Hulu. I'm still not sure she believes me... oy.
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The nudity didn't bother me at all and I was actually confused when watching the newer version, wondering whether I'd imagined things or that there used to be nudity there. I get why they removed it but I really think it's just because Americans are such prudes when it comes to nudity and sex, which is ironic really considering all the porn and such that is made there.
I was nine or ten when I started watching the show and was never traumatized by the nudity, no one had to cover their eyes and there really wasn't any awkwardness when watching it with others. Guess that's just down to a different attitude about nudity and/or sex, here. We don't think it's "bad" or "evil", merely natural and it can be functional on television (which I still think it was in the pilot).Unmade Plans (WIP: 11/20):
Sam's life takes a turn in an unexpected direction when she's faced with an unplanned pregnancy. The decision to keep the baby and raise it on her own will alter her life forever. Relationships are put to the test, especially the one between her and Jack. She doesn't know what to expect from him and he surprises her at every turn.
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Originally posted by fems View PostThe nudity didn't bother me at all and I was actually confused when watching the newer version, wondering whether I'd imagined things or that there used to be nudity there. I get why they removed it but I really think it's just because Americans are such prudes when it comes to nudity and sex, which is ironic really considering all the porn and such that is made there.
I was nine or ten when I started watching the show and was never traumatized by the nudity, no one had to cover their eyes and there really wasn't any awkwardness when watching it with others. Guess that's just down to a different attitude about nudity and/or sex, here. We don't think it's "bad" or "evil", merely natural and it can be functional on television (which I still think it was in the pilot).
And I don't really think the parentals are necessarily prude, they're just firm believers of the concept of less is more. If nudity isn't really necessary, it doesn't really need to be in something. And they know I would have warned them ahead of time if there was nudity, so they know I loved the show even without the nudity, so it sort of falls into the realm of "is it really necessary?"
But I wouldn't classify my family as prude, or state that we view nudity as bad or evil. That's just not us.
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I think I saw the pilot for the first time around the time that season 4 was airing on show time and show time showed it during summer and winter break and my dad told me to cover my eyes at the nudity part. I was about 11 12 years old at the time so yeah. I prefer the original cut to the final cut.
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Never saw the re-done version, and I think I'm sort of glad that I didn't, after all that's been said about it! The nudity was surprising but not disturbing, nor was it the end of the world of syfy as some people made it out to be.
It's not just Americans who can be prudes, fems! I can list you some who exist in my family. But I'd be sort of embarrassed watching it with my father I think, who would probably be enjoying it more than me.
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BW didn't want the nudity. Showtime required it. That wasn't the tone he wanted set for the show. I don't think *not* wanting nudity is "prudish". I'd like to be able to show my son Stargate. Now, there are things my husband and I watch (Dexter) that there's no way I'm going to let my son watch it until he's at a certain age. My son would probably be ready for Stargate at 8, 9, or 10 (with us fast forwarding the nude scene). We believe in age-appropriate things - it's not about trauma or scarring for life, but my parents didn't monitor nearly anything I did and well, I wish they had. There were things I didn't understand that caused me some distress until I was able to get a little more mature and comprehend what was going on. It's a maturity thing, not a prudish thing.
Just for the fact that Showtime required it makes me glad he cut it. That's just a studio putting crap in there to get rating
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I do not think it is appropriate to put a demeaning label on someone like myself who is opposed to openly flaunting immodesty.
First of all, your use of the word "prudish" shows an inappropriate judgmentalism. Prudish means an excessive show or affectation of modesty. Thus suggesting that my objections to nudity are not founded in reason or are a false front.
I am opposed to all immodesty (even before reaching the stage of nudity) and a cavalier attitude toward sex because I quite reasonably believe that the body is a sacred gift from God. It is a temple that should not be defiled or profaned. And sex is the sacred means of procreation meant to be treated with reverance and grattitude to God that he allows us to participate with him the godlike act of creation. These moral standards are not excessive, affectitious or without a firm foundation. Therefore, I am not prudish. I am, however, committed to promoting high moral standards for myself and society because I believe it is to the benefit of us all.sigpic
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Originally posted by hlndncr View PostI do not think it is appropriate to put a demeaning label on someone like myself who is opposed to openly flaunting immodesty.
First of all, your use of the word "prudish" shows an inappropriate judgmentalism. Prudish means an excessive show or affectation of modesty. Thus suggesting that my objections to nudity are not founded in reason or are a false front.
I am opposed to all immodesty (even before reaching the stage of nudity) and a cavalier attitude toward sex because I quite reasonably believe that the body is a sacred gift from God. It is a temple that should not be defiled or profaned. And sex is the sacred means of procreation meant to be treated with reverance and grattitude to God that he allows us to participate with him the godlike act of creation. These moral standards are not excessive, affectitious or without a firm foundation. Therefore, I am not prudish. I am, however, committed to promoting high moral standards for myself and society because I believe it is to the benefit of us all.
By the way, I just looked up the definition of prude/prudish and it seems something is lost in translation; it has more than just that definition in my language (including stuff like immodesty, aversion to nudity/sex, embarrassment of nudity/genitalia, modest, demure and even pride/wisdom) but 'prude' is the translation of said word.Unmade Plans (WIP: 11/20):
Sam's life takes a turn in an unexpected direction when she's faced with an unplanned pregnancy. The decision to keep the baby and raise it on her own will alter her life forever. Relationships are put to the test, especially the one between her and Jack. She doesn't know what to expect from him and he surprises her at every turn.
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My S/J fics can be found on FFnet and AO3. I also tweet and tumble about the ship and my writing/stories.
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Originally posted by fems View PostYou're entitled to your own opinion. You say flaunting of immodesty, I say showing vulnerability (in the case of the pilot). In my opinion there is such a thing as functional nudity, you don't have to agree.
By the way, I just looked up the definition of prude/prudish and it seems something is lost in translation; it has more than just that definition in my language (including stuff like immodesty, aversion to nudity/sex, embarrassment of nudity/genitalia, modest, demure and even pride/wisdom) but 'prude' is the translation of said word.
I was explaining the basis of my opinion so that everyone could understand where I'm coming from when I say I don't appreciate the nudity and I'm glad it was removed. IMO it is always unnecessary. I understand that others feel differently and I don't ascribe bad motives or a lack of thoughtfulness to that point of view, but based on my own understanding and beliefs I myself must consider any other conclusion to be in error.sigpic
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