Sam Carter/Jack O'Neill Ship Discussion Thread

[cyced]

I think it was highlighted as a mutual comfort loneliness thing for Sam (its been yonks since I've read it)- but yeh, it did actually work in the context of the story and I am not one for the threesome type fics though I did really enjoy that big love show, just dont think it generally works with sg1 characters. With that said I know that Sam/ Janet/ Jack stories have been appearing more and more and not mature rated ones either so maybe I'm in a minority on the no poly relationships preference

[cyced]

Out of curiousity just typed in a couple of different poly relationship combos into AO3- there are TONS- Jack/Sam/Daniel seem to be a big favorite- you learn something new everyday

[AmberLM]

If people enjoy reading/writing polyamory fics, that's fine, whatever floats their boat but I would say they're largely OOC (with the exception of Human/Tok'Ra relationships where a symbiote and human share a body e.g. Sam/Martouf/Lantash) - in fact, I think the Stargate universe is one of the few shows where polyamory relationships are possible and likely.

That said, I don't see Sam being either gay, bi or willing to date two people at once.

[cyced]

It is pretty fascinating, the variety in preferences and types of stories you see in SG1 fiction- even just within our sam/ jack sub section- it shows that we must have a pretty impressively diverse fandom that we can all love the same characters yet see them and their potential actions in so many different ways

[AmberLM]

It's the great thing about fanfic, you can "fix" the pairings you like/don't like. I was always more of a Catherine/Grissom shipper on CSI, Grissom/Sara just left me going - fanfic always fixed what I feel the show screwed up. It also gives you the opportunity to play with pairings, the episode with John Mayer singing live made me intrigued in Catherine/Nick.

[cyced]

My last post was way too philosophical- I think that signals time for bed when gateworld posts are sounds thesis like- Night all

[AmberLM]

Seriously? I can't imagine Sam just going along with that. "Ah well, I'm the only woman so I will just have to sleep with all three of my teammates because being alone can be so hard on a guy..."

Here, here! No offense, but if I was confined to a ship with my 3 best male friends for the rest of my life, I'm pretty sure that no amount of lonliness/sympathy would *ever* make me sleep with them all - who does that?! Especially if I was in love with one of them, that makes it *worse* IMO!

[Nynaeve506]

Here, here! No offense, but if I was confined to a ship with my 3 best male friends for the rest of my life, I'm pretty sure that no amount of lonliness/sympathy would *ever* make me sleep with them all - who does that?! Especially if I was in love with one of them, that makes it *worse* IMO!

And to be fair, there's no reason to think that would be in character. Love it or hate it, "Unending" is canon and all we can tell is that Sam remained alone for those many years. I know AT said her and CJ had this undercurrent *they* were playing, but it didn't technically make the final cut (and really, unless she'd said something who'd have known?). It seems like Cam took up running to handle his pent up need.

I think I also hate that it's a stereotype that men can't survive without.

Given that it took Sam at least seven years to go on a date (that her brother set her up with), she doesn't strike me as the sexually adventurous type - at least not in that particular way.

[AmberLM]

I think I also hate that it's a stereotype that men can't survive without.

Given that it took Sam at least seven years to go on a date (that her brother set her up with), she doesn't strike me as the sexually adventurous type - at least not in that particular way.

I completely agree!

I mean, Jack was alone for several years between Laira and Kerry. Likewise, Sam was alone for many years between Jonas and Pete. Jack's no angel, after all he's ex-Special Ops, Im pretty sure he's probably been with his pick of women over the years but I do think that he's the type to settle for one night stands when he's single because he doesn't feel worthy of anything else. I think once he's in a relationship, for him that's him committed 110%. In that respect he reminds me so much of Elliott Stabler from SVU.

I think it takes a lot to turn Sam's head. You really have to be special for her to distract her from her work. Pete, I think, being the obvious exception. Her feelings for Jack were the catalyst for jumping into that head first. I think Pete could have been anyone, she was just looking for a distraction and went with the first guy who showed interest and it spiralled out of control when Pete fell for her. You could see from her face that her heart was never in it (unless looking like you want to puke/run everytime you're with your bf is a good sign lol)

[Kimberley Jackson]

I completely agree!

I mean, Jack was alone for several years between Laira and Kerry. Likewise, Sam was alone for many years between Jonas and Pete. Jack's no angel, after all he's ex-Special Ops, Im pretty sure he's probably been with his pick of women over the years but I do think that he's the type to settle for one night stands when he's single because he doesn't feel worthy of anything else. I think once he's in a relationship, for him that's him committed 110%. In that respect he reminds me so much of Elliott Stabler from SVU.

I think it takes a lot to turn Sam's head. You really have to be special for her to distract her from her work. Pete, I think, being the obvious exception. Her feelings for Jack were the catalyst for jumping into that head first. I think Pete could have been anyone, she was just looking for a distraction and went with the first guy who showed interest and it spiralled out of control when Pete fell for her. You could see from her face that her heart was never in it (unless looking like you want to puke/run everytime you're with your bf is a good sign lol)

Yes, and look at her face when she introduces him to her father!

I completely agree with what you say about Pete. He was convenient, he was available, so she went for it. I think it was more than just distraction, seeing that it happened after Grace. It was about her trying to reassert what she wants - just that she realizes in her Pete-relationship that what she always thought she wanted isn't what she actually wants. Plus, not just with some random, convenient guy her brother set her up with.

I don't doubt that at some point Sam might have even loved Pete. But she was never in love with him.

[majorsal]

How do you think Jack would think of sharing Sam? I mean, like in a (permanent) menage-a-trois?

I'm asking because I've read two fics recently that were Marty/Sam/Jack, and as crazy as the thought sounds, I can sort of see it...
In JM/TDYK Jack and Marty seemed to have reached a point of respect at least, if you look at them at then end. Both are interested in Sam, and want only what's best for her - and IMHO, Sam want them both. So, could that be a best of both worlds?

i think from a fantasy stand point, i could see sam enjoying having two men. but i can't see jack wanting that scenario.

[majorsal]

What about Jack sharing Sam with another girl?

I just can't see Sam in a lesbian relationship.

i can see jack 'enjoying' it, but i can't see sam doing that at all!!

[majorsal]

I think it takes a lot to turn Sam's head. You really have to be special for her to distract her from her work. Pete, I think, being the obvious exception. Her feelings for Jack were the catalyst for jumping into that head first. I think Pete could have been anyone, she was just looking for a distraction and went with the first guy who showed interest and it spiralled out of control when Pete fell for her. You could see from her face that her heart was never in it (unless looking like you want to puke/run everytime you're with your bf is a good sign lol)

sam didn't even have to 'look': she just called her brother and had him set it up. i don't know if it could even be considered a true blind date, seeing as neither one went totally blind into it.

i went blind seeing it, though.

Spoiler:

[RadicalDreamer]

Count me in as someone who doesn't enjoy polyharmony/polygamy fics. Especially not for this fandom. No matter how nicely written some can be, it will always feel somewhat OCC to me.

I love the team but I dislike reading about them as a foursome... it's as if friendship alone can't be enough. Friendship isn't lesser than romance. It's just different.

Sam/Daniel are too much like siblings, way too much. Sam/Teal'c is among my favorite friendships but can't work for me as a romance because they always were like big bro/little sis in the show (I could see it if the relationship had been built differently from the beginning but it's not the case... and to retcon this in the very last episode of the show seems kinda bad... and all the more crual for Teal'c considering he's the only one who can remember). Same thing for Jack/Teal'c. Sam/Janet... eh, I dunno... with the "mom" aura Janet sometimes had around her. Jack/Daniel is... err... actually, I can understand why it's the most popular slash one... but I'm unable to like it myself (having this pairing often pitted against ours in fandom/ship wars never helped and I had no idea it was a thing back in the days, no idea at all). Not much of a fan of some of the tropes this pairing use either (especially not in fanfics).

But the thing that also annoys me about poly fics is that... it basically makes Sam be the Smurfette. I wouldn't be able to believe people who say that Daniel is SG1's fandom bicycle. It's obviously Sam who gets shipped with every single character. I LIKE that Sam has close friendships that don't all lead to romance in canon (another reason why I refuse the Teal'c/Sam angle). And the show had too many characters falling for her already compared to the guys.

So yeah, I feel like Sam/Jack is the only romantic pairing I ever truly cared about in the show/fandom and shipping anything else feels like betrayal (I mean, to me... people can ship whatever they want and I will never bother anyone just because he/she doesn't like the same pairing as I do... that would be rude).

Not to mention... it's like how I would feel in real life. I wouldn't be able to share the person I love with someone else. At the end of the day, I would be scared of being the third wheel, really. I would feel miserable over it. Same with my OTPs. I don't want Sam to be the third wheel in a Jack/Daniel relationship disguised as a OT3 fic for example (it happens if the writer is mainly a slasher... it happens in so many fandoms with OT3 and huge slash communities).

I guess this is one of the reasons why I don't entirely love Miss Parker's fics. She writes really well. She has this realistic writing style that is great. One of her fic even managed to make me cry. But her fics have this poly flavor at times that make me feel uneasy. And one of her fics even managed to make me wish Sam dumped Jack (it was also implied in the fic that they wouldn't be able to function together without Daniel... and I don't believe that *based on alternate realities*... besides, if someone ever tried to talk or comfort one of them over the other in canon, it was never Daniel, it was actually Teal'c who did that). It was a kid fic and she made Sam feel so isolated, so miserable... it really depressed me when I read it. I like reading her fics, I really do but... I don't know, I guess I feel a bit wary too. But I get that not everybody feel like this.

As it was said, polyrelationships are very popular in fandoms, this one included. I just can't really get into them. I really like the "really awesome close friends being like family with 2 of them being a couple/having romantic feelings" just fine. And fixing love triangles with a threesome seem kind of cheap and unrealistic too. Sure, you don't have the drama... maybe... but I can't buy it.

[iiradned]

Nice to see this particular thread getting a lot of activity lately.

Picture me nodding along with what everybody is saying about and/or polyamory.