Sam Carter/Jack O'Neill Ship Discussion Thread

[hedwig]

To be fair though, other than Sara and Sam I don't think I have seen Jack hug and comfort anyone else like that. Hug = some one Jack cares a lot about

Actually, he hugged Daniel like that at the end of "Serpent's Lair" when Daniel stepped out from behind the crowd and showed them he was still alive.

[hlndncr]

Actually, he hugged Daniel like that at the end of "Serpent's Lair" when Daniel stepped out from behind the crowd and showed them he was still alive.

I thought that too!

But then he also hugged Sam!

[SGSuzi]

I'm talking boy/girl hugs here, Daniel doesn't count

[SaraBahama]

After being hypnotized, Sam realizes that Daniel is still alive and they left him behind, and she starts to get a little hysterical. So Jack grabs her and hugs her.

...and I LOVE the look he shoots McKenzie (that's the doctor, right?). A warning look that says 'this session is DONE'.

Actually, he hugged Daniel like that at the end of "Serpent's Lair" when Daniel stepped out from behind the crowd and showed them he was still alive.

Good point.

[RamonaThePest]

Good review, Suz.

I'm glad the show began to get away from weird aliens and focused more on the gou'ald and the human beings they supplanted throughout the galaxy. I include the Asgard and Ancients as evolved human(oids). Rubbery looking buggy/fishy/unas creatures take away from the "real" feel that Stargate has.


QUESTION: Is it realistic that Daniel would have been allowed to have artifacts from offworld planets or his journals of their missions in his off-base apartment given the top secret nature of the Stargate program?

[hedwig]

Good review, Suz.

I'm glad the show began to get away from weird aliens and focused more on the gou'ald and the human beings they supplanted throughout the galaxy. I include the Asgard and Ancients as evolved human(oids). Rubbery looking buggy/fishy/unas creatures take away from the "real" feel that Stargate has.


QUESTION: Is it realistic that Daniel would have been allowed to have artifacts from offworld planets or his journals of their missions in his off-base apartment given the top secret nature of the Stargate program?

I've wondered about that, too. He supposedly lost his apartment/home sometime about the time of the original movie. If he lost his apartment, I doubt he would have had a collection of artifacts such as what we see in this episode. And if he lost his apartment, where would he have stored such things? And since this is only about a year into the series, how could he possibly have collected all those items offworld, much less been allowed to keep them at his offbase home? Tis a puzzle.

[RamonaThePest]

But even more so the implication - even if the artifacts had been cleared free of foreign disease - if he had a burglary and his journal became public... Also, if he continued years later to keep a journal off base, it could become fodder for the NID/Trust to steal it to procure alien tech or whatever (whoever) might be mentioned in the journal. And since Jack said the journals contained Daniel's personal feelings on the missions, any interpersonal situations between team members could be used against them as well.

[hedwig]

But even more so the implication - even if the artifacts had been cleared free of foreign disease - if he had a burglary and his journal became public... Also, if he continued years later to keep a journal off base, it could become fodder for the NID/Trust to steal it to procure alien tech or whatever (whoever) might be mentioned in the journal. And since Jack said the journals contained Daniel's personal feelings on the missions, any interpersonal situations between team members could be used against them as well.

BIG screw-up on the part of the writers.

[Sparky She-Demon]

BIG screw-up on the part of the writers.

Make that a SNAFU on the part of the writers!

[fems]

Yeah, I thought that was ridiculous too. I'm just gonna pretend that was Daniel still in civilian mode and after finding the journals in that ep and Daniel returning, Jack/Hammond made it clear to Daniel that he can't keep journals about their missions! Or take anything off-world back home.

[meredithe5]

Thought I'd share a couple banners some of our shippers made for Fire and Water


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[meredithe5]

I think the journals made the story-line flow easier, it gave them something to do when they were cleaning out Daniel's house but it wasn't realistic at all. The military would never allow someone to leave a secure base with critical information no matter how trustworthy Daniel is. It would be to easy for someone to break into Daniel's apartment and steal things.

[picardythirds]

So, basically that's [the hug] Jack's way of dealing with hysterical, emotional and/or crying (Heroes) women!

That sentence reminds me of the scene where AU sam is crying and Jack doesn't know what to say and she says "you don't have to say anything" and then he hugs her. Another instance where Jack hugs Sam. And you know, he always does the neck sniff. Maybe it's an RDA thing

About this ep as a whole, I like it, because I like the idea of not just the Gou'ald having been here but other races of aliens too. It was facsinating that they tied a differenty mythology (Babyloninan?) into the Stargate world and it was refreshing. All Gou'ald
all the time could get boring.

While I actually thought it was a little weird for them to be all quite that emotional (as someone pointed out, they hadn't been a team for THAT long), I chalked it up to the shock and the way they lost Daniel. In that way, the strong emotions were very believeable and true to character. I know that some people don't like the hypnosis bit, but I found it plausible given that they were dealing with memory, and at this point, the humans don't really have any tech that deals with memory.

As for artifacts in Daniel's house, I always assumed they were Egyptian and earth based. And the Journals, they could have been written so that no one would understand unless one actually knew about the stargate....though I agree about the security issues there.

Overall, I liked this episode for the character development as well as the new mythos it introduced. The hug was an extra bonus.

[Ikorni]

That sentence reminds me of the scene where AU sam is crying and Jack doesn't know what to say and she says "you don't have to say anything" and then he hugs her. Another instance where Jack hugs Sam. And you know, he always does the neck sniff. Maybe it's an RDA thing

I never realised the neck sniff always happened! *LOL*

[Ikorni]

BIG screw-up on the part of the writers.

Oh, just one of quite a few!