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    Originally posted by fems View Post
    Which pilot is it going to be? The original or the awful director's cut?
    I have the boxed set...so whichever one that is -I hope that doesn't create confusion.

    Originally posted by Nynaeve506 View Post
    I'm in the minority that really enjoyed the new cut. <snipped>
    I think it's worth seeing. You may not like it, but I found it had redeeming qualities to it and overall, prefer it to the original.
    I really want to see the missing scenes, and I wish there were a way to combine the two so that as much as possible of what was filmed can exist in the same cut together.

    Originally posted by fems View Post
    The nudity didn't bother me at all and I was actually confused when watching the newer version, wondering whether I'd imagined things or that there used to be nudity there. I get why they removed it but I really think it's just because Americans are such prudes when it comes to nudity and sex, which is ironic really considering all the porn and such that is made there. <snipped>
    Originally posted by Nynaeve506 View Post
    BW didn't want the nudity. Showtime required it. That wasn't the tone he wanted set for the show. I don't think *not* wanting nudity is "prudish". I'd like to be able to show my son Stargate. Now, there are things my husband and I watch (Dexter) that there's no way I'm going to let my son watch it until he's at a certain age. My son would probably be ready for Stargate at 8, 9, or 10 (with us fast forwarding the nude scene). We believe in age-appropriate things - it's not about trauma or scarring for life, but my parents didn't monitor nearly anything I did and well, I wish they had. There were things I didn't understand that caused me some distress until I was able to get a little more mature and comprehend what was going on. It's a maturity thing, not a prudish thing.<snipped>
    Originally posted by hlndncr View Post
    I do not think it is appropriate to put a demeaning label on someone like myself who is opposed to openly flaunting immodesty.

    First of all, your use of the word "prudish" shows an inappropriate judgmentalism. Prudish means an excessive show or affectation of modesty. Thus suggesting that my objections to nudity are not founded in reason or are a false front.
    Originally posted by fems View Post
    By the way, I just looked up the definition of prude/prudish and it seems something is lost in translation; it has more than just that definition in my language (including stuff like immodesty, aversion to nudity/sex, embarrassment of nudity/genitalia, modest, demure and even pride/wisdom) but 'prude' is the translation of said word.
    Prude, is usually used in American English in an insulting manner (in my experience). It usually includes some of the things you noted above, but also:

    Related Words for : prudish -priggish, prim, prissy, puritanical
    prude (pru?d) — n a person who affects or shows an excessively modest, prim, or proper attitude, esp regarding sex
    ...with the idea of 'affects' being 'affectation':

    af·fec·ta·tion (noun)
    1. an effort to appear to have a quality not really or fully possessed; the pretense of actual possession: an affectation of interest in art; affectation of great wealth.

    2. conspicuous artificiality of manner or appearance; effort to attract notice by pretense, assumption, or any assumed peculiarity.
    Which is why your use of the term causes such a strong reaction.

    As an individual, I talk openly with my daughter about sex -I let her lead in questions because most teens cut you off if you try to lead in talking about this subject and I want her to be comfortable when she approaches me with questions. I admit that I prefer not to have nudity on television shows (my reasons are very similar to Nynaeve's).

    I agree that there is probably a divide in the way Europeans vs. Americans (in general) view the appropriateness of nudity. If you say that the nudity doesn’t bother you, that’s ok –there are many Americans that feel the same way, but indicating that ALL Americans are 'prudes' comes across as saying that:

    1) all Americans are the same.
    2) being modest is old-fashioned (see: Puritanical) –it’s laughable and they need to get over it.

    Making generalizations and disrespecting someone’s beliefs are things that will provoke a strong reaction. I don’t think that you intended either, but the wording gave the impression of that tone.


    Now, if you are using this definition:
    Word Origin & History
    Prude
    1704, from Fr. prude "excessively prim or demure woman" (also an adj.), first recorded in Molière, from O.Fr. preude "good, virtuous, modest," perhaps an ellipsis of preudefemme "a discreet, modest woman," from O.Fr. prou de femme, fem. equivalent of prud-homme "a brave man" (see proud). First record of prudish is from 1717. Prudery first recorded 1709.
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    Originally posted by fems View Post
    You're entitled to your own opinion. You say flaunting of immodesty, I say showing vulnerability (in the case of the pilot). In my opinion there is such a thing as functional nudity, you don't have to agree.
    I see your point -being naked is an extremely vulnerable position, and I think you indicated the last time this subject came up that it also emphasized how the Goa'uld view the body as a vessel...a commodity, rather than considering the rights of the individual: a very keen point of observation.

    I just don't think that the people that this scene would draw (and thereby increase ratings -which is many time the driving force behind decisions like this) would notice or care about the artistic implications of the nudity; most of them would just want to leer at Vaitiare Bandera (which offends me for the actress' sake).
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      Originally posted by SGSuzi View Post
      Although I was convinced (and i probably just convinced myself) that the discussions about honeymoon, maternity leave and being happy with someone else were all supposed to make us believe she was with Jack in every other reality. I would have loved to have seen Jacks face if he had walked into the lab with 18 Sam's
      I just watched this episode yesterday, and although I have no doubt that it WAS Jack she was with in all those other realities, I was still quite annoyed they couldn't just say it. I mean it has been established early on that on all the alternative universes and timelines Sam and Jack are always together.. Why couldn't they just say it once?

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        Originally posted by SaraBahama View Post
        I have the boxed set...so whichever one that is -I hope that doesn't create confusion.
        The all season box set has the original Showtime pilot.
        No Sam w/o a Jack and no Jack w/o a Sam.
        It's like and immutable law of the multiverse.

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          Originally posted by fems View Post
          The nudity didn't bother me at all and I was actually confused when watching the newer version, wondering whether I'd imagined things or that there used to be nudity there. I get why they removed it but I really think it's just because Americans are such prudes when it comes to nudity and sex, which is ironic really considering all the porn and such that is made there.

          I was nine or ten when I started watching the show and was never traumatized by the nudity, no one had to cover their eyes and there really wasn't any awkwardness when watching it with others. Guess that's just down to a different attitude about nudity and/or sex, here. We don't think it's "bad" or "evil", merely natural and it can be functional on television (which I still think it was in the pilot).
          Not to get into the whole 'you are prude' -'no I'm not' debate, but I agree with fems. Regardless of whether it's true or not in Europe Americans are considered to be prudes. I have yet to visit European country where people think differently. So I get what fems meant because even in such conservative countries like Ireland, Poland or Spain the general consensus is that nudity is no big deal while Americans have it the other way around ('no' to nudity but guns and violence are okay; most Europeans think the exact opposite).

          Is it a stereotype? Sure. But it exists nevertheless.

          Btw, I was 12 when I watched CotG (original version with full frontal). I wasn't traumatised.

          Originally posted by Starry Starry Night View Post
          I just watched this episode yesterday, and although I have no doubt that it WAS Jack she was with in all those other realities, I was still quite annoyed they couldn't just say it. I mean it has been established early on that on all the alternative universes and timelines Sam and Jack are always together.. Why couldn't they just say it once?
          Err..except it hasn't been established because S/J are together in about 50% of AUs. It's hardly 'all AUs'.

          I explained it in more detail here.
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            Originally posted by Petra View Post
            Not to get into the whole 'you are prude' -'no I'm not' debate, but I agree with fems. Regardless of whether it's true or not in Europe Americans are considered to be prudes. I have yet to visit European country where people think differently. So I get what fems meant because even in such conservative countries like Ireland, Poland or Spain the general consensus is that nudity is no big deal while Americans have it the other way around ('no' to nudity but guns and violence are okay; most Europeans think the exact opposite).

            Is it a stereotype? Sure. But it exists nevertheless.

            Btw, I was 12 when I watched CotG (original version with full frontal). I wasn't traumatised.
            Prude as an Insult OT
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            I think the issue here is that it's being used to insult people. Regardless of what most of Europe thinks of Americans, it doesn't mean it's right or that it should be perpetuated as a stereotype (especially not on a board that is clearly international in its make up). It's mainly used to 'shame' people - it's not unlike 'slut shaming' - just in reverse. If someone holds a particular viewpoint, rather than giving their position any sort of intellectual capital, it's an ad hominem attack. "Oh you're such a prude." :: roll of the eyes :: OR "You're a slut." :: disdainful sneer :: You see what I'm saying?

            I have zero problem with sex or the human body. None. I appreciate art. I've watched plenty of regular movies, etc. However, I adhere to a religious belief about the human body and about things like titillation. I don't go blushing like a naive virgin if I come across something and it's not a hush hush "clutch my pearls" type thing. I simply choose to either abstain from or to not allow my child to view or see certain things because I have an all encompassing world view that I want to teach him - and it includes far, far more than just sex. To say that someone is a 'prude' because they choose not to do or expose themselves to something... that demeans them as a person. It's like me calling someone who doesn't drink (because they are an alcoholic for example) a teetotaler. How much more can I strip them of dignity? Should I not show them respect?

            It's also like when people use the word 'puritanical' (which I laugh at). Clearly no one has bothered to read the Puritans who liked to wink, wink, nudge, nudge each other - they had an old wives tale that the day a baby was born was the day of the week he or she was conceived. Jonathan Edwards (writer of "Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God" and much, much more - brilliant man that makes my head spin) had eleven children - a majority of them were born on Sundays Oh how that was a point of fun for his congregation I imagine. (Sunday afternoon 'naps' were also very common in the Edwards' household). Having strict views on sex doesn't mean that one doesn't enjoy or appreciate it. It just means that there's a larger world view that governs a person's life.

            Now are there ideas we could call 'prudish'? Perhaps. American culture is hyper-sexualized which leads to a strong polarization in the opposite direction in certain circles, I would argue. But that's a different topic altogether.

            (In case anyone is wondering - here is a section on Wikipedia about the legacy of Jonathan Edwards and his contribution to society generations after his death.

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              Originally posted by Starry Starry Night View Post
              I just watched this episode yesterday, and although I have no doubt that it WAS Jack she was with in all those other realities, I was still quite annoyed they couldn't just say it. I mean it has been established early on that on all the alternative universes and timelines Sam and Jack are always together.. Why couldn't they just say it once?
              I think there's good evidence that Sam and Jack are together in pretty much all the AUs and ATs.

              AUs:
              TBFTGOG - Engaged
              POV - Married
              Ripple Effect - 18 AUs and broad hints that she is married to Jack in at least two of them (as the writers of the episode said they intended) and possibly more.

              ATs:
              2010 - Married to Joe but in the end she chooses Jack
              Moebius - Kissing Jack
              Road Not Taken - Divorced McKay, no indication she was with anyone
              Continuum - Just lost her Jack so of course she isn't with anyone

              So IMHO S/Js track record in AUs and ATs is not perfect, but pretty good. I think eventually they find their way to one another when given the chance.

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                Originally posted by hlndncr View Post
                I can understand how some things can get lost in the translation, but were you really respecting others' opinions or were you putting a label on them and passing judgment? That's the difference regardless of what the words mean in any language.

                I was explaining the basis of my opinion so that everyone could understand where I'm coming from when I say I don't appreciate the nudity and I'm glad it was removed. IMO it is always unnecessary. I understand that others feel differently and I don't ascribe bad motives or a lack of thoughtfulness to that point of view, but based on my own understanding and beliefs I myself must consider any other conclusion to be in error.
                Unlike some, I try to avoid passing judgment on anyone. I have a more or less 'live and let live'-attitude and can't really be bothered by what people do in the privacy of their own homes as long as they're not harming others and/or breaking laws.

                So no, I wasn't labeling and passing judgement on anyone. I was merely sharing my opinion about something and like I said, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I still think the majority of Americans are prudes (as I explained the definition earlier) and a whole bunch of other things I won't go into now. Just like you apparently think anyone who doesn't think and feel the same way you do is wrong. I don't, I think they just think and feel differently about these things and I don't really care as long as it isn't harming others and I respect their views, even if I don't agree with them.


                Originally posted by SaraBahama View Post

                Prude, is usually used in American English in an insulting manner (in my experience). It usually includes some of the things you noted above, but also:

                ...with the idea of 'affects' being 'affectation':

                Which is why your use of the term causes such a strong reaction.

                I agree that there is probably a divide in the way Europeans vs. Americans (in general) view the appropriateness of nudity. If you say that the nudity doesn’t bother you, that’s ok –there are many Americans that feel the same way, but indicating that ALL Americans are 'prudes' comes across as saying that:

                1) all Americans are the same.
                2) being modest is old-fashioned (see: Puritanical) –it’s laughable and they need to get over it.

                Making generalizations and disrespecting someone’s beliefs are things that will provoke a strong reaction. I don’t think that you intended either, but the wording gave the impression of that tone.
                I'm just saying it [Americans being prudes] is a stereotype for a reason. And yes, that is a generalization of all Americans, like stereotypes tend to do by definition.

                You (general) are merely using your own interpretation of my words with your reasoning, which apparently gets everyone's panties in a bunch. It's just my opinion, formed from my reasoning and my views and experience.

                But hey, apparently it's a very touchy subject. From my experience such a strong reaction usually implies it's the offended party that has the problem...

                Originally posted by SaraBahama View Post
                I see your point -being naked is an extremely vulnerable position, and I think you indicated the last time this subject came up that it also emphasized how the Goa'uld view the body as a vessel...a commodity, rather than considering the rights of the individual: a very keen point of observation.

                I just don't think that the people that this scene would draw (and thereby increase ratings -which is many time the driving force behind decisions like this) would notice or care about the artistic implications of the nudity; most of them would just want to leer at Vaitiare Bandera (which offends me for the actress' sake).
                Yes, I said something along those lines a while back when we discussed the subject. Just because there are some people who take such a scene as an 'opportunity' to leer at someone's body doesn't mean the scene shouldn't be there or was intended as eye candy. Perhaps it was, perhaps it wasn't; it was not how I interpreted it. Again, the problem here lies with those that are either hypersexualized or repressed in that they can only leer at her body rather than see the scene for what it represents.

                Originally posted by iiradned View Post
                The all season box set has the original Showtime pilot.
                Actually, that might depend on where you get your box set from; I have the set with all the seasons (and two movies) but it doesn't have the original pilot, while some others (from other countries) do. It's not available here anymore because only the revamped version is produced. But for those who are unsure they should just check their set because the year of release is mentioned on it (I think the new one is from 2008).

                Originally posted by Petra View Post
                Not to get into the whole 'you are prude' -'no I'm not' debate, but I agree with fems. Regardless of whether it's true or not in Europe Americans are considered to be prudes. I have yet to visit European country where people think differently. So I get what fems meant because even in such conservative countries like Ireland, Poland or Spain the general consensus is that nudity is no big deal while Americans have it the other way around ('no' to nudity but guns and violence are okay; most Europeans think the exact opposite).

                Is it a stereotype? Sure. But it exists nevertheless.
                Yes, thank you. This is basically what I meant.

                Originally posted by Nynaeve506 View Post
                Prude as an Insult OT
                Spoiler:

                I think the issue here is that it's being used to insult people. Regardless of what most of Europe thinks of Americans, it doesn't mean it's right or that it should be perpetuated as a stereotype (especially not on a board that is clearly international in its make up). It's mainly used to 'shame' people - it's not unlike 'slut shaming' - just in reverse. If someone holds a particular viewpoint, rather than giving their position any sort of intellectual capital, it's an ad hominem attack. "Oh you're such a prude." :: roll of the eyes :: OR "You're a slut." :: disdainful sneer :: You see what I'm saying?

                I have zero problem with sex or the human body. None. I appreciate art. I've watched plenty of regular movies, etc. However, I adhere to a religious belief about the human body and about things like titillation. I don't go blushing like a naive virgin if I come across something and it's not a hush hush "clutch my pearls" type thing. I simply choose to either abstain from or to not allow my child to view or see certain things because I have an all encompassing world view that I want to teach him - and it includes far, far more than just sex. To say that someone is a 'prude' because they choose not to do or expose themselves to something... that demeans them as a person. It's like me calling someone who doesn't drink (because they are an alcoholic for example) a teetotaler. How much more can I strip them of dignity? Should I not show them respect?

                It's also like when people use the word 'puritanical' (which I laugh at). Clearly no one has bothered to read the Puritans who liked to wink, wink, nudge, nudge each other - they had an old wives tale that the day a baby was born was the day of the week he or she was conceived. Jonathan Edwards (writer of "Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God" and much, much more - brilliant man that makes my head spin) had eleven children - a majority of them were born on Sundays Oh how that was a point of fun for his congregation I imagine. (Sunday afternoon 'naps' were also very common in the Edwards' household). Having strict views on sex doesn't mean that one doesn't enjoy or appreciate it. It just means that there's a larger world view that governs a person's life.

                Now are there ideas we could call 'prudish'? Perhaps. American culture is hyper-sexualized which leads to a strong polarization in the opposite direction in certain circles, I would argue. But that's a different topic altogether.

                (In case anyone is wondering - here is a section on Wikipedia about the legacy of Jonathan Edwards and his contribution to society generations after his death.
                I disagree; apparently you feel insulted at me calling Americans prudes, but I wasn't trying to insult or shame anyone. It's definitely not the same as 'slut shaming' (which, to me, is also a very American thing) and I can't believe you're drawing parallels between those two.


                You (general) are blowing this way out of proportions and, I'm sorry if this offends anyone, to me it sounds like you've got some serious issues. It's a stereotype - like dumb blondes - not an accusing finger at every single American here on the forum telling them they are prudes, which I still don't think is an insult but I guess that's beside the point since apparently judgment has already been passed.
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                  Originally posted by hlndncr View Post
                  I think there's good evidence that Sam and Jack are together in pretty much all the AUs and ATs.

                  AUs:
                  TBFTGOG - Engaged
                  POV - Married
                  Ripple Effect - 18 AUs and broad hints that she is married to Jack in at least two of them (as the writers of the episode said they intended) and possibly more.

                  ATs:
                  2010 - Married to Joe but in the end she chooses Jack
                  Moebius - Kissing Jack
                  Road Not Taken - Divorced McKay, no indication she was with anyone
                  Continuum - Just lost her Jack so of course she isn't with anyone

                  So IMHO S/Js track record in AUs and ATs is not perfect, but pretty good. I think eventually they find their way to one another when given the chance.

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                  Good point. I actually haven't seen Continuum yet, so I didn't know about that.. And I guess Road Not Taken is from Atlantis? Although I've seen Atlantis, I watched it at such time it had been a long time since I had watched any sg-1 so I guess I just forgot about that.. (I'll watch Atlantis after I finish my sg-1 marathon.)

                  But yeah, I had forgotten about the alternative timeline in 2010... I guess my mind ad blocked it from my memory, although I saw it recently, but as I ad just started shipping, I wouldn't accept it... Anyway I think that is a timeline gone hortibly wrong anyway, so S&J not being together would be part of that "hortibly wrong" part...

                  In fact, what I forgot to say in my previous comment was that of course their being together in AUs goes to the ones where she's not in military, so they don't have the regs issue...

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                    Originally posted by Starry Starry Night View Post
                    Good point. I actually haven't seen Continuum yet, so I didn't know about that.. And I guess Road Not Taken is from Atlantis? Although I've seen Atlantis, I watched it at such time it had been a long time since I had watched any sg-1 so I guess I just forgot about that.. (I'll watch Atlantis after I finish my sg-1 marathon.)

                    But yeah, I had forgotten about the alternative timeline in 2010... I guess my mind ad blocked it from my memory, although I saw it recently, but as I ad just started shipping, I wouldn't accept it... Anyway I think that is a timeline gone hortibly wrong anyway, so S&J not being together would be part of that "hortibly wrong" part...

                    In fact, what I forgot to say in my previous comment was that of course their being together in AUs goes to the ones where she's not in military, so they don't have the regs issue...
                    I think it's important to note that in any reality where Jack and Sam don't get together, horrible things happen. It's almost as if the entire universe depends on the two of them getting together. I'd say that was farfetched except...

                    2010 - the Aschen.
                    The Road Not Taken - martial law and loss of civil liberties. Also, marriage to McKay.

                    Even in POV, the world is at least saved at the end even if, tragically, Sam lost her Jack. The only one that didn't work out was that first one - so we'll say any reality in which Sam and Jack don't get together and Sam is not a kick-butt physicist in the military.

                    Thus proving that our reality is the best one (and the only one of consequence).

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                        Originally posted by Petra View Post
                        I explained it in more detail here.
                        I really enjoyed reading this - such a great explanation. I don't agree with the entire thing, but most of it is also how I feel about their relationship, you just put it into words a lot better than I ever could
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                            Unfortunatly I can't participate in the rewatch with the common timetable. The reason for that is that I'm introducing my youngest brother to SG and we are watching the first season. My timetables for watching the episodes depend on when ever my kid brother can come visit me, and then we continue always with the next ep... First season isn't one of my favourites (in fact the only reason for that is that I have seen it too many times, where as some of the later seasons I have seen maybe only once and the last ones I'm seeing now for the first time...)

                            But whenever I'm watching an episode close to the time when you are watching the same, I'll be sure to participate in the conversations... I will also be watching these eps with shipper glasses on, because when I started this rewatch (I'm in season 10 now) I wasn't yet a shipper, I think I became one around season 3... So it'll be nice to see S1 from this new point of view...

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                                A year after the first mission to Abydos, Earth's Stargate activates on its own. An enemy named Apophis and his loyal Jaffa kidnap a member of the personnel from Cheyenne Mountain. While a team led by Colonel Jack O'Neill investigates, they reunite with Dr. Daniel Jackson on Abydos, where soon Apophis returns and kidnaps Skaara and Sha're (Jackson's wife). The team track Apophis to Chulak to rescue their missing comrades.

                                Favourite Scene
                                It is really hard for me to pick a favourite scene, I have watched this episode several times now and each time i pick up on new things, and there is so much of it I enjoy. One of my favourite things about this episode though is right at the end when you have all four original members of SG-1 stood on the gate ramp together, this bit just makes me smile as it is the beginning of so many adventures we are going to share with this team.

                                Favourite Dialogue
                                So many classic lines, but i think this has got to be my favourite
                                O'Neill: Oh, here we go. Another scientist. General, please.
                                Carter: Theoretical astrophysicist.
                                O'Neill: Which means?
                                Hammond: Which means she's smarter than you are, Colonel.

                                but of course there are many others i love. I love the whole scene and dialogue when Sam comes into the briefing room for the first time, I love the piece on Abydos with the macgyver comment, and of course the conversations between Sam and Daniel

                                General Discussion
                                What can we say? The first time I watched this episode I was not blown away. The film had not done much for me at all and I wasn’t convinced I wanted to watch any of the stargate shows, but it obviously did catch my interest, I love the actors and the characters they play and the team dynamics were great from the start. The more I watch this episode the better it gets. The episode really shows us each of the characters and we can already see the family developing. It is of course an important storyline, introducing us to the fact there is more than one god, who the jaffa are, that the stargate is capable of dialing more than one planet. It develops on the theory presented to us in the orginal movie, but on the other hand you could probably get away with never watching the movie and gradually understand the history but i think it does help.

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                                Sam and Jack.....the beginning of a beautiful relationship. My thoughts on watching the episode the first time??? So many wonderful moments but they are easier to spot on repeated watches, once you have prior knowledge of the relationship. The scene in the briefing room where they first meet is fantastic. Once Sam has establised who she is and that she is not just another girl Jack just smiles and looks at her whilst the rest of the men in the room continue to make a dig at her. Its not hard to see that Jack is impressed and possibly a little bit blown away by Sam from this very first meeting. Another lovely moment is when Jack pushes Sam thorough the wormhole, telling her he adores her already, and of course sitting next to each other at dinner on Abydos. I think by the end of the episode we can see a bond and a friendship developing already, little did many of realise what a ride and a ship we were heading for.
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