Sam Carter/Jack O'Neill Ship Discussion Thread

[selene0789]

Very true. To stay on topic; Jack lost his son, he was devastated and his marriage to Sara (which apparently was 'the greatest' prior to losing Charlie) didn't survive it either. Yet, he managed to deal with his loss and eventually found a new family with SG-1 (and the SGC) and got together with Sam.

I'm not saying its not possible for someone to move on from that kind of devastating loss... But I figure it's not healthy to not acknowledge those who don't/can't.

I personally hope Sam would follow in Jack's footsteps and continue living a full happy life, but there's always a possibility that she wouldn't. Though, in the Stargate movie, the first one, it was made heart-rendingly clear that he almost didn't recover.

He took the mission originally because it would've meant killing himself in the process. It was a suicide mission (curse that General West! grrr, trying to kill off Jack. I never liked that guy ... ), and it took a trip through the Stargate for him to live that full, happy life we see on the show.

[Nynaeve506]

Call me cynical, but I don't really believe in a soul mate completing you and making you a whole person. You are a person and when you fall in love with someone that (you think) is the one, that's great and maybe you complement each other. But I don't think that losing your "soul mate" makes you less than a whole person.

I too am not a romantic. I don't believe in soul mates. I think there are multiple people in the world in which we have chemistry and then, when we meet someone and we're in the right frame of mind (to commit), we choose to commit and come hell or high water to see it through the end. My husband and I went through some really hard years recently and we commented to each other the other day that suddenly, the next fifty years doesn't seem so hard (it was really, really rough). It's like our marital muscles are stronger and more fit than before. My parents have been married for 36 years and there were YEARS I thought they would walk out on each other, but they didn't. They grit their teeth, dug in their heels, cried, screamed, and everything in between and today, they're incredibly happy.

I think where Jack and Sam end up by Threads is in *that* place. Where two people realize that they really have weathered some of the hardest stuff ever and came through okay.

[hlndncr]

Everyone's welcome to snurch the pics and sigs I post. (No hotlinking and give credit please.)

(I have no idea where I got this. If anyone knows, please tell me.)

I'm a fairly practical person in real life, but I ship because I like unrealistic romantic fantasy in my entertainment. So in my world Sam and Jack got married b/w S8 & S9. Everyone that mattered was happy for them and they could ignore the rest. It wasn't always easy but completely worth it. And they live happily ever after. THE END.

(Also have no idea where I found this.)

[selene0789]

I too am not a romantic. I don't believe in soul mates. I think there are multiple people in the world in which we have chemistry and then, when we meet someone and we're in the right frame of mind (to commit), we choose to commit and come hell or high water to see it through the end. My husband and I went through some really hard years recently and we commented to each other the other day that suddenly, the next fifty years doesn't seem so hard (it was really, really rough). It's like our marital muscles are stronger and more fit than before. My parents have been married for 36 years and there were YEARS I thought they would walk out on each other, but they didn't. They grit their teeth, dug in their heels, cried, screamed, and everything in between and today, they're incredibly happy.

I think where Jack and Sam end up by Threads is in *that* place. Where two people realize that they really have weathered some of the hardest stuff ever and came through okay.

Well said! I like that. A lot.

[selene0789]

And THANK YOU, hln, for the wonderfully happy and heart melting pictures. My poor shippy heart is singing your praises

[majorsal]

I'm going to annoy everyone.

Here are my opinions:

I think the only person in the universe for Sam was Jack and vice versa. Everyone else was just filler.

should not have been allowed to live because he's annoying on top of being a stalker.

Sam and Teal'c would never have a romantic relationship because they both love each other and Jack too much to ever do that.

Even if Jack were actually dead (which he wasn't in Unending because that 50 years took place in the span of a second and Sam understood them physics) or she if they could never be together again Sam would never love anyone else the way she loves Jack. He's her soulmate, and she would rather be alone for the rest of her life with fond memories of him than find solace with anyone else. (Same goes for Jack.)

You not only don't have to be married to by happy you don't have to have sex either. I will attest that you can actually find happiness and fulfillment in life as a single, chaste person.

i feel the same!!

[SaraBahama]

@ the "white whale"
Thanks for the tip - I'll try and remember to do that in the future..
I just noticed I've been promoted to Airman!! Yay!!! *happy dance* how exciting.

Ah...that brings back the days! Freckles: they had to remind me CONSTANTLY to remove the IMG tags -it was a bad habit for me to break...but I beat it. Congrats on making Airman!

Well, at this point, do we even know that they're actually physically pursuing a relationship? I mean, even years later in Atlantis, she's like "oh, well, he's there, I'm here, it's all very complicated"... If it was complicated then, imagine what it must've been like in the middle of Season... 10, was it? Or 9. Whichever. Either way, I mean, in my head I'm thinking that they may be trying to make things work, but it's far from being a done deal. And I imagine it being such a logistical nightmare that they'd both be wondering "is it even worth it?" Obviously, it totally is worth it, or else us fans wouldn't be here, but still, even so... you know they gotta be thinking it. And yes, the "dead alien in my head made me do it" defense goes a long way. But I'm cool with it, cuz JR Bourne is HOT. I'd wanna kiss him too, if he showed up through my Stargate

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Sorry -I fall squarely in the camp of thought that says that they were out of each other's chain of command when Sam went to Area 51 and Jack went to Washington. IMO: they married before 'Beachhead' -at which point she would have been back in his CoC.

I know it's an opinion that not all shippers share...but I'm happy in my own little world

The second she came back to the SGC, she ran into frat regs again. Even if they miraculously got married while she was at Area 51, the fact that they were in the same COC before and after poses some major problems, and would raise more than a few eyebrows.

Which is why (in my own mind) they didn't call a lot of attention to them being married -not that it needed to strictly be 'secret', but not calling a lot of attention to it because of the raised eyebrows.

The letter of the law would have allowed for this, so even though there may have been raised eyebrows, they would not technically been in violation.

The thing is that I'm not totally convinced the Atlantis Expedition answers solely to the IOA. I find it hard to believe this is true considering the military presence and eventually military leadership (by Sam). In my opinion it would also fall under HWS. Especially considering all the stupid mistakes the IOA have made in the past, I doubt they'd let a civilian oversight committee order around a colonel in the USAF responsible for Atlantis and all the people (civilians, aliens and military) present. After all, if anything would go wrong the blame would go to the USAF.

But they did let the committee order Sam around...and fire her. It seems the IOA was placed in control of the project so that it wouldn't just be 'American military in control of the universe' -but rather a join international effort.

Spinster

Thanks for the quote! I LIKE some of the later definitions (toward the bottom)...I love language...

[Nynaeve506]

The regs are the reason I totally think they got married While the TPTB of the USAF may not have "liked" it, it would have had to have been handled because they're married, so. Y'know.

So married

At least in my personal canon

[SaraBahama]

LOVE & SOULMATE:

I tend to be a romantic at heart...I admit it.


I find a lot of dignity and nobility to this concept (the opposite of desperation...these people refused to settle because society said they HAD to be married):

By the 19th century, the term evolved to mean women who were so finicky, that they refused to marry. During that century "middle-class spinsters, as well as their married peers, took ideals of love and marriage very seriously, and ... spinsterhood was indeed often a consequence of their adherence to those ideals. ... They remained unmarried not because of individual shortcomings but because they didn't find the one 'who could be all things to the heart.'"

When I went to college, I had no idea I would meet a young man who would become my best friend first, and that the friendship would become love. He's still my best friend (many) years later.

I think this is a beautiful quote:

For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh. So they are no longer two, but one. -Mark 10:7-8

Does that mean he is the ONLY one that would have filled that place in my heart? I don't know. But since we met, we have been knitting our lives together to the point that we feel very 'one'. I guess the math to me is 1+1=1. We were not less than one before, but blended together we are another kind of one.

I guess I see the S/J ship through those glasses.

**apologies for waxing philosphical on the thread...

EDIT:

soul mate (noun): a person with whom one has a strong affinity.

Ok -definitely Jack and Sam

And I DID say I was a romantic at heart -and I do like romance in my fictional universes *agrees with hlndncr on this point*.

[Pol]

Hey, look! Planet with two sunsets discovered.

The article made me think of Sam...and therefore Jack (he who is her husband)

[SaraBahama]

Hey, look! Planet with two sunsets discovered.

The article made me think of Sam...and therefore Jack (he who is her husband)

*happy dance*...thanks POL!!

[selene0789]

Hey, look! Planet with two sunsets discovered.

The article made me think of Sam...and therefore Jack (he who is her husband)

I just saw that article!! Hahahah! Small world...

[Nynaeve506]

Does that mean he is the ONLY one that would have filled that place in my heart? I don't know. But since we met, we have been knitting our lives together to the point that we feel very 'one'. I guess the math to me is 1+1=1. We were not less than one before, but blended together we are another kind of one.

I guess I see the S/J ship through those glasses.

**apologies for waxing philosphical on the thread...

I think the same way about my husband and myself. We were ourselves before and now we're blended together, but at the same time, I don't think he's the only one that would have happened with (or that it could happen with, if, God forbid, he were to die). I think the same thing...they're not soulmates, but they're inextricably linked.

[Conn8d]

Whew! Some pretty hefty and deep discussion on love and soulmates here...I guess to add my own two (maybe 3 cents) I'd say I'm somewhat in line with what SaraB and Nynaeve point out.

Not that I am super experienced with love etc yet, my guy and I had a bit of a discussion about this recently. It's hard to buy into the whole idea that there is only one single person out there who is perfect for everybody. There are probably several people out there who anyone could be compatable with, given time and experience together. I think that jack and sara were compatable to a point. That relationship couldn't survive the loss of a child, and I'm not sure it would have been doomed without the death of charlie. Certainly I wouldn't say it failed simply because they were not each others soulmate.

I think the reason that Sam and Jack are together, and go together is because of their history and experience with each other. The spark is there in the begining but I'm not sure that Sam and Jack as a relationship could have worked if they had gotten together too soon. I think what makes their relationship solid today is their past. They know each other well, and they've been there through thick and thin.

In some ways nobody is perfect for each other right off the bat. Me and R didn't really make much of an impression on one and other until we got trapped on a delayed plane for an extended amount of time on our way back to school one spring. I'd always thought he was cute, and he thought I had cool hair, but until we talked we never made a point to hang out, and until we made a point to hang out, we never would have become friends etc. Now we are such a part of each others lives that its hard to imagine not being involved.

Maybe I am not making sense. My funky math would be 1+1=11 (two ones with the shared experience of a plus that results in a single number that is also still two ones)
But I'm no math expert...

[freckles2185]

Ah...that brings back the days! Freckles: they had to remind me CONSTANTLY to remove the IMG tags -it was a bad habit for me to break...but I beat it. Congrats on making Airman!

Thanks Sara, that made me feel better, at least I know I wasnt the only one...

Hey, look! Planet with two sunsets discovered.

The article made me think of Sam...and therefore Jack (he who is her husband)

So cool!! the next thing they need to discover or confirm is a stargate network/system...wouldn't that be something...