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    Continuum

    I like it!

    It is very much like an old time SG1 adventure. (And I love seeing Sam as a kick-butt pilot.) I try not to nit-pick it too much. (Time travel can give you a headache.) But I admit that I miss Jack being a part of the action. I know this was just a special appearance by RDA, but I do miss him as the star and leader of SG1 (one more reason to regret the loss of movie 3).

    I am annoyed that when the team was sent to their separate locations across the country and told not to try and contact each other or tamper with the timeline, they actually followed order and did nothing for a year! I just think they would have found a way to get in touch and start planning a jailbreak so to speak.

    As for the shippy moments, of course I would have liked something more overt, but I do think there was at least a descent nod to the ship rather than being completely ignored.

    So here are the shippy moments as I see them.



    Sam smiles when Landry mentions Jack and makes a comment that acknowledges her understanding of his history with Baal.

    On a side note, I was surprised to see Sam with an SG1 patch since she just returned from Atlantis and I can’t see her just going back to being #2 on the team.


    Sam and Jack stand closely together during Ba'al's extraction ceremony.

    It’s like they’re in their own little world. Although, she does call him “Sir,” and while I didn’t expect her to call him Jack, I’d be happier without the “Sir.”


    Jack tells Baal that his life is quite good. He looks at Sam before he says it. So in my mind, he’s telegraphing his happiness to have her back in the same galaxy.


    She refuses to leave him when he dies, and Cam has to physically drag her away.

    Compare that to when she leaves Daniel behind after the ship sinks. She is clearly upset, but doesn’t have to be pulled away. I don’t think that diminishes the love she has for Daniel (although he’s died so many times she may be a little numb to his impending doom), but her much stronger reaction to loosing Jack demonstrates for me the intimacy of their relationship.


    Sam is devastated by his death and cannot function back on Earth in the changed timeline - Mitchell has to remind her they need her.

    This is probably my favorite shippy moment. (I live in the cavern of angst.) Sam is almost as good as Jack at compartmentalizing and pushing her feelings aside to get the job done, but here she is absolutely immobilized. And on the commentary Brad notes that her reaction is because O’Neill is dead and he says that AT played it just perfectly. And really Cam’s reaction tells me he understands who she’s just lost too.


    Sam is ecstatic to see Jack alive and Jack seems delighted to see her but she is confused when he calls her a dead astronaut.

    I also think it’s interesting the way Cam asks Jack if he recognizes her. Again, it sounds to me like he expects more recognition between Jack and Sam.


    She can’t stop looking at him when they come aboard the sub.




    Sam realizes this Jack is not at all her Jack in the ward room of the submarine.

    This is the point where I would have put in text rather than subtext. Sam says we come from an alternate timeline where amongst other things I’m not an astronaut . . . I am your wife. OK, I know the PTB would never actually put that in the script (even though they should), but that’s what I hear in my head.


    The interrogation sequence is a nice call back to POV


    Sam shops for 'Frootees' - the timelines version of Fruit Loops.

    Do you think Jack has told her about the timeloop kiss yet?


    With the timeline restored, Jack invites everyone to lunch and even offers to buy at Sam's non-verbal prodding.


    Jack and Sam walk off together to talk about a 'moonbase'.

    Just mentioned this on the other thread thought I would point out that it is a common misconception that the moonbase Sam is talking about is Atlantis. This took place a year before EatG; so there was no reason for them to be considering making Atlantis a moonbase.

    RDA’s original line was “That sounds like work to me.” He was having trouble with it; so when RCC came on the set and watched the scene he turned to BW and asked, “What moonbase?” So that became the line. And to this day no one knows what Sam actually meant by the moonbase.

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      Originally posted by hlndncr View Post
      Continuum


      Jack and Sam walk off together to talk about a 'moonbase'.

      Just mentioned this on the other thread thought I would point out that it is a common misconception that the moonbase Sam is talking about is Atlantis. This took place a year before EatG; so there was no reason for them to be considering making Atlantis a moonbase.

      RDA’s original line was “That sounds like work to me.” He was having trouble with it; so when RCC came on the set and watched the scene he turned to BW and asked, “What moonbase?” So that became the line. And to this day no one knows what Sam actually meant by the moonbase.
      I don't understand where this confusion has come from - did you say the Atlantis movie? As I don't know anything about that other than one was orginally planned. And I have never heard of Atlantis supposed to be on the moon before (how would that work? It's meant to float on water or be in the air). Having watched SGU I don't recall them stating how Icarus base came about - other than the fact that there was a team there to work out where the ninth chevron went. I should probably rewatch that episode... but I'd rather rewatch some ship instead.

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        Originally posted by Kate1013 View Post
        I don't understand where this confusion has come from - did you say the Atlantis movie? As I don't know anything about that other than one was orginally planned. And I have never heard of Atlantis supposed to be on the moon before (how would that work? It's meant to float on water or be in the air). Having watched SGU I don't recall them stating how Icarus base came about - other than the fact that there was a team there to work out where the ninth chevron went. I should probably rewatch that episode... but I'd rather rewatch some ship instead.
        In his blog, Joseph Mallozzi released bits of what the SGA movie was supposed to be about. He revealed the opening scene and a few bits beyond. In those, Atlantis had apparently been moved to the moon, and had been there awhile. Sam was escorting a group of politicians and others from various countries to see it. If I remember correctly, while there, a self-destruct alarm goes off and it is discovered that the ancients had installed some sort of device that would trigger the self-destruct if Atlantis was removed from the Pegasus Galaxy. So now the race is on to get Atlantis back to Pegasus before the self-destruct goes off. I think that's as much as he revealed.

        There's a thread about all of this in the SGA forums.

        As to how it could remain on land, well it did rest on the ocean bottom of the planet it was found on. And it had been there for 10,000 years. Even though the water cushioned it somewhat, it had to be able to rest on solid ground for it to do that.

        I haven't seen all the SGU episodes, so I don't know if we were ever told how Icarus base had come to be. It had, however, been there long enough to build the base, the runway, and glider bays, so it had to have been there for at least a year, if not longer.

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          Originally posted by Petra View Post
          Hey, I just wanted to chime in for a moment because the subject is close to my heart



          I agree. The way Sam was written is my biggest beef with season 4. I’m not a big SGA fan and I pretty much gave up on the series in season 3; I stayed around to watch season 4 only for Sam. And I was hugely disappointed, because Sam from SGA in not my Sam from SG-1, whom I adore. Sam in SGA is nothing more than a huge wasted opportunity, IMO.



          Trio is a terrible episode, IMO. I was cringing the whole time, and when we were later discussing it with friends (in RL), we agreed that episodes like these make us ashamed of being Stargate fans and give sci-fi its bad name (much like seasons 9&10 of SG-1, actually. But I digress). I remember watching that ep and thinking: “Who are you and what have you done with Sam Carter?” And it’s not even her total lack of leadership skills and relying on McKay and Keller so much, it’s the helplessness she displayed there. Sam Carter may be a lot of things, but she’s not helpless. I just couldn’t believe that someone who got herself out of an unfinished, locked compartment about to be vented into space on Prometheus couldn’t get herself out of a hole in the ground. Grr...




          That would have been awesome. Teyla had a lot of (wasted) potential as a character and she and Sam could have easily become friends – I could see it much easier than Sam and Vala as friends, tbh.

          /rant
          Pardon a non-shipper for popping in. I was looking for some good Sam discussion. I so agree with the above.
          Trio was positively painful.
          For one, the writers fell back on using Rodney when putting Sam in that situation with someone else would have been far more interesting. I could see Sam and Teyla using their skills and ingenuity to much greater effect. Also, I could have seen Sam getting set to climb the boxes, but Teyla saying something like "as commander you shouldn't put yourself in danger" and Sam realizing her position is different now. And it could have been a prime opportunity for them to talk about leadership etc.

          I can't really see Sam, even after being injured. sitting back and waiting for others to rescue her. This is the person, after all, who says she's "fine" after being electrocuted etc. And who managed to figure out how to save that village even while dying from an Ori blast in LiTS. In Trio she did say she wouldn't take morphine even if they had it b/c she needs to "keep a clear head" (which is in character) but then she pretty much disappears from the episode anyway. She might as well have been unconscious.
          ETA: EVenStar makes a good point that Sam was willing to sacrifice herself so the others could get out in the end and that's in character.

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            Whilst I enjoyed Continuum as a good old-fashioned romp, I do have problems with it.

            I wish there had been much more Jack/RDA in the film.

            I agree that the team would have tried to contact each other. It seems out of character for them to give up.
            We get to see what Daniel and Mitchell do - actually, I felt we got far too much of Mitchell - but what do we see Sam doing? Shopping.

            I also didn't like BB playing Mitchell's grandfather, as it took me out of the story.

            Overall, I did like the film, and really wish we could have seen the third movie with more Jack. (and confirmation that S/J are happy together.)
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              Originally posted by hedwig View Post
              In his blog, Joseph Mallozzi released bits of what the SGA movie was supposed to be about. He revealed the opening scene and a few bits beyond. In those, Atlantis had apparently been moved to the moon, and had been there awhile. Sam was escorting a group of politicians and others from various countries to see it. If I remember correctly, while there, a self-destruct alarm goes off and it is discovered that the ancients had installed some sort of device that would trigger the self-destruct if Atlantis was removed from the Pegasus Galaxy. So now the race is on to get Atlantis back to Pegasus before the self-destruct goes off. I think that's as much as he revealed.

              There's a thread about all of this in the SGA forums.

              As to how it could remain on land, well it did rest on the ocean bottom of the planet it was found on. And it had been there for 10,000 years. Even though the water cushioned it somewhat, it had to be able to rest on solid ground for it to do that.

              I haven't seen all the SGU episodes, so I don't know if we were ever told how Icarus base had come to be. It had, however, been there long enough to build the base, the runway, and glider bays, so it had to have been there for at least a year, if not longer.
              Ah okay, this makes sense now! Thanks!

              I agree with you Hlndncr. How could it be Atlantis when they didn't even know it would be stranded on Earth a year from that point? Surely, if 'project moonbase' was even real, it would be Icarus that she was talking about. Personally I love the fact that it's quite ambiguous - shows Sam's flirty side

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                All this "Continuum" talk makes me want to rewatch it again. So that's my "assignment" for today.

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                  Am I the only one who hates "Continuum"? I was so looking forward to this one only to be delighted again by Hero-Mitchell and almost non existent SJ ship. I was hoping to see RDA in a much bigger role than the ones he had post S8, yet it seems TPTB only wanted him in this one as an afterthought. AU Jack was such a good character but he should have been a much bigger part of the picture

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                    Originally posted by siles View Post
                    Am I the only one who hates "Continuum"? I was so looking forward to this one only to be delighted again by Hero-Mitchell and almost non existent SJ ship. I was hoping to see RDA in a much bigger role than the ones he had post S8, yet it seems TPTB only wanted him in this one as an afterthought. AU Jack was such a good character but he should have been a much bigger part of the picture
                    I don't hate "Continuum", but I did mind that it seemed to be focused more on him than the others. I would also like to have had more of Jack than we got, even though we got an alternate version of him for a bit.

                    I loved getting to see Sam fly a jet. I felt it was a bit odd, though, that Daniel wasn't in her plane. After all, they had been teammates way longer than Mitchell had been around, and it seemed wrong somehow to separate them like that.

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                      Originally posted by hedwig View Post
                      All this "Continuum" talk makes me want to rewatch it again. So that's my "assignment" for today.
                      Originally posted by siles View Post
                      Am I the only one who hates "Continuum"? I was so looking forward to this one only to be delighted again by Hero-Mitchell and almost non existent SJ ship. I was hoping to see RDA in a much bigger role than the ones he had post S8, yet it seems TPTB only wanted him in this one as an afterthought. AU Jack was such a good character but he should have been a much bigger part of the picture
                      Ok guys...ya'll are going to provoke me into watching it out of sequence! I may have to do that tonight...
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                          Originally posted by siles View Post
                          Am I the only one who hates "Continuum"? I was so looking forward to this one only to be delighted again by Hero-Mitchell and almost non existent SJ ship. I was hoping to see RDA in a much bigger role than the ones he had post S8, yet it seems TPTB only wanted him in this one as an afterthought. AU Jack was such a good character but he should have been a much bigger part of the picture
                          I too would have liked to see much more Jack and much more S/J ship that was much more explicit. But that doesn't completely ruin the movie for me. Maybe because I had not built up such great expectations for it I was able to enjoy it for what it was instead of dwelling on what it wasn't (no matter how desireable that might have been).

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                            Nominations

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                            Long
                            String Theory by Annerb
                            Andromeda by Alli Snow
                            Twilight by Gail Delaney
                            Getting a life by sam938
                            Paradise Bound by AkamaiMom
                            What Will It Take? by SG1-Fanfic
                            Aftershocks II by Rachel500

                            Medium
                            Mimesis by Annerb
                            Rusted Wheel by Annerb
                            Fever by Polrobin
                            Till We Run Out of Road by Holdouttrout
                            Xanadu by Spiletta42
                            Per aspera ad astra by Pol
                            Defining family by DramaLexy
                            Stitches by The Yarn Shop
                            Cheap by Soleya
                            Missing Pieces by AstraPerAspera
                            In the Moonlight by Rachel500

                            Short
                            The Colonel and Her Husband by Mandarax
                            I Love It When a Plan Comes Together by Annerb
                            A rush of blood to the head by Annerb
                            The Eagle by LSgrimm91
                            Winning by a.loquita
                            Airports by Aveo amacus
                            Far From the Cynics in This Town by Annerb
                            Deny, Endure, Embrace by Rachel500

                            The Three Pillars of Ship
                            Angst
                            Tether by nanda
                            Crawl from the Chasm by Akamaimom
                            Embrace Me by Polrobin (chapter 1)
                            The Theory of General Relativity by Pod Bay Doors.
                            Refraction by Rowan Darkstar
                            A rush of blood to the head by Annerb
                            Taur'i Whispers by RowanDarkstar
                            Mimesis by Annerb
                            Character by shiny silver grl
                            Not a Shambles, Not a Work of Art by Regency
                            A Fluctuation in the Event Horizon by Rachel500

                            Fluff
                            Motivational by Artaxastra
                            The little red engine that could by lyssie (set in Firemen!verse)
                            Hook, line and sinker by Surrealis
                            I Love It When A Plan Comes Together by Annerb
                            Intermezzo by Mrs Pollifax
                            Over the Phone by Chezza
                            A brother his sister and her Jack by Petite Stars
                            Grasping by A Loquita
                            The Epitome of Indecretion by Kirsty841
                            Takeout by Nanda
                            Per aspera ad astra by Pol
                            Come fly with me by SG1-Fanfic
                            Of Having and Eating Cake by hilandncr
                            The In Laws by Jessa4865
                            The Naming Game by DreamWeaver85
                            Practice Makes Perfect by PepperF

                            Gutter
                            Unlahfulliche in Lychte by Pepper
                            New Ground by Pepper
                            Subterfuge by AstraPerAspera
                            Looking for Nishta in all the wrong places by Suz
                            Worth It by Annerb
                            Life is Sweet by Goddess Andraste
                            Ain’t No Sunshine by Motatopotato
                            Just Like Breathing by Mrs Pollifax
                            Fate series by Blue Topaz

                            Specialties
                            Crossover
                            The Trio In The Temple by Seldear (Bones)
                            The Raggedy Edge by Annerb(Firefly)
                            The worst hallucination ever by Kate McCaye (SG-1/SGA)
                            All's Well that Ends Well by iwrite4fun (SG-1/NCIS, with some SGA)
                            Inspiration from Afar by SupremeCommanderofPencils (Castle/SG1)
                            Smokescreen by Bekki Beekeeper (SGA)
                            Destiny by Rachel500 (SGA)

                            AU
                            Mimesis by Annerb
                            A Pond with No Fish by Rachel500
                            Wedding Jitters by Mandarax
                            Sam and Jack meet at college, kinda by iwrite4fun
                            Becoming Sam Carter by Jackie W
                            A maneuvering business by literatiwannabe
                            Alternatives by VGWrighte
                            The Feynman Lectures on Physics by VGWrighte
                            The Argument For Tau by VGWrighte
                            Falling for you by KellethMetheus
                            String Theory by Annerb
                            Weathervanes by Openended
                            Banshee by SGCBearcub
                            Acquiescent by JoJo
                            God bless Chloe Felger! by Seldear

                            Team
                            Cost of Living by Doc
                            Cayua by deltachild
                            Forfeit by Genie Este
                            Team Building by AkamaiMom
                            Let Go and Hold On by Rachel500
                            Night Terrors by Sally Reeve and Marcy

                            TAG
                            Other Eyes by Pam Rowden (Grace)
                            The Wrong Timeline: Making It Right by Rachel500 (2010)
                            Campfire Stories, Season Three by Polrobin
                            Happiness is a yellow kitchen by Soleya (Threads)
                            Chipmunk lovers by Passionate Cec' (Threads)
                            Of all the gin joints by Ellie 5192 (Continuum)
                            While You Were Sleeping by petitestars (Line in the Sand)
                            A capella by mrspollifax (Paradise Lost & Metamorphosis)
                            The art of reincarnation by Surrealis (The Light)
                            Making Amends by Chezza(A Hundred Days)

                            Holiday
                            A whole alphabet of plans by Miss Parker (first in Plan C series)
                            An Unexpected Christmas Present by Rachel500
                            The Carter Household Holiday Rules by Soleya
                            A Kiss is Still A Kiss by Nynaeve506
                            American Pi by polrobin
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                                Originally posted by hedwig View Post
                                All this "Continuum" talk makes me want to rewatch it again. So that's my "assignment" for today.
                                Watched Continuum last night, complete with the subtext in my own head. Ended up tearing up and hubby said "What's wrong?"
                                (what do you mean 'whats wrong?!' -she just lost the man she LOVES!!)
                                *Sigh* I hate the cave of angst!
                                Ended up curled up on the couch with my head against his chest, just counting every precious beat of his heart.

                                ...so glad they ended it on a lighter note. With that said, overall I LOVED it. I will comment more on the other thread.


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