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    What Happened:

    Evolution Part 2 is (ironically enough) the second part to Evolution Part 1. When we left our intrepid heroes, Daniel and Doctor Lee have been captured by Honduran rebels, and the Super Soldier has given up his homeworld.

    Hammond tells O’Neill that the official line is that the State Department has announced that they have no intention of bargaining for Daniel and Dr. Lee. O’Neill tells the General that a team could be sent in to extract the two captured scientists, “It’s been done before.” The president requests help from a CIA operative to help in the extraction. It seems understood between the two men that Jack must tread very carefully to avoid an international incident.

    Two days after being captured, Daniel is brought before the leader of the rebels, who taunts him with fruit, water, and bad Spanish. (I know that the actor is Puerto Rican. But he’s eating fruit, which is a feminine noun, and the fruit is pineapple, which is “la pina” in Spanish—only with a little squiggle over the “n”. But when he bites into the fruit, he says, “Muy delicioso.” in reference to the pineapple, when he should have said, “Muy deliciosa.” I know—I’m picky. I don’t like Hemingway for the same reason. Granted, it could have been a mango—in which case he was right to use the masculine ending, but for some reason, it’s always bothered me. I think it’s that without disclosing the precise type of fruit, the actor should have gone for the feminine ending because it’s the generic “fruta”. Also, he makes a palatal sibilant out of the “c”—which should be a voiceless alveolar-palatal fricative.) Anyhoo, Daniel tries to give up enough information to safeguard his life without giving away enough to be problematic, only to be tortured by some device that looks really really really really nasty.

    Meanwhile, back on base, Jack has learned the name of the operative assigned to help in Honduras. From his reaction, it’s evident that he does not hold this “Burke” character in high regard. Upon being informed that there is no alternative, Jack is sent off to Peterson AFB in order to catch a plane down to Central America. Before he leaves, he goes into Carter’s lab to inform her that he’s going to go after Daniel. They talk (to be discussed later in the Sam/Jack section of the review), and he leaves secure in the knowledge that 1) her own mission to discover what she can about the Super Soldier won’t be a problem, and 2) that they can still look longingly at each other over a horizontal surface without flinging themselves across it and—well—you know.


    Jacob briefs Hammond and the rest of the team about what he’s learned about the Super Soldier’s home world. There’s a sensor array around the planet and a force field that protects the Stargate on that planet. They concoct a plan to send Jacob through the ‘Gate and the force field wearing a Super Soldier costume, and then deactivate the sensor array, allowing Sam and Teal’c to enter the fortress by utilizing radioactive isotopes to remain undetected.


    Next we see O’Neill in Central America, at the same cantina where Daniel met his guide. There, he meets Burke, played by the wonderful Enrico Colantoni (insert fangirl “Squee” here), and it is evident from the outset that there is a great deal of history between the two. They argue, and O’Neill challenges him about whether he still understands the need for the chain of command. Burke balks at this, standing up and leaving. Jack hires another guide.


    Bill Lee has been tortured, as well, and discloses to Daniel that he has divulged everything that he knows about the Telchak device to the rebels, who turn it on.


    Jacob goes through the ‘Gate dressed as the Super Soldier, after some good-natured ribbing from Siler. Once through the force field, he is intercepted by a Goa’uld scientist with the unfortunate name of “Thoth”. Quite possibly, this is the worst character name EVER. Thoth places Jacob in a chair to assess his condition, while Sam, Teal’c, and Bra’tac sit waiting on the dark side of the moon (presumably, without Pink Floyd). Sam is complaining a bit about Jacob’s stubborn nature, and Bra’tac is obviously amused by that. During Thoth’s examination, Anubis enters the lab and pulls Thoth away. Jacob is then able to leave the lab and find the controls for the sensor array, allowing Bra’tac to fly the supply ship towards the planet and drop Sam and Teal’c off to check out the fortress. Bra’tac’s reaction to that is to tease Sam a little about having whined about her dad.


    Jack reaches the place where Daniel and Doctor Lee were captured, where they’re met by Burke. The new guide is paid and sent back home, and Burke leads O’Neill off into the jungle.



    The device works quickly on the rebels, making the normally calm and measured leader into a raving, wide-eyed lunatic. He ties Daniel to a chair and then beats him to get more answers out of him. Daniel is frantic when he finds out that the rebels have turned the device on, and begs them to turn it off. Chalo, an underling rebel, asks Rafael, the leader, to turn it off, as well. Rafael makes a move as if he’s cooperating, but pulls out a gun and shoots Chalo, instead.


    Sam and Teal’c meet up with Jacob in Anubis’ base. There’s a cute moment with Sam and Jacob, where she looks at him oddly after he asks her if she’s been worried. I think that this indicates that their relationship has truly matured into one of two equal adults.


    Jack and Burke are traipsing through the jungle, where they come upon Rogelio Duran, the first guide, who has survived his gunshot wound. They get directions from him, and then leave him for the rescue that he seems secure is on its way.


    Thoth approaches Anubis to inform him that Jacob’s warrior is missing. They believe that the symbiote minds aren’t effectively subdued.


    Burke, meanwhile, wants to talk about the issue between O’Neill and himself. They had been team mates, and in a friendly fire incident, another team member, a “Woods” had been shot and killed. At first, Jack doesn’t want to talk about it, but as Burke keeps talking, he relents and starts asking questions.


    In the fortress, Sam, Teal’c and Jacob are wandering around the place when they come upon a lab where they find dozens of symbiote tanks, all of which are empty, except for one that is filled to capacity with a preggers Goa’uld queen. The see that her brain wave patterns are inactive, meaning that the spawned symbiotes will be “blank slates”, lacking the egotistical behavior of a Goa’uld, but still having healing and strength characteristics. They decide to plant a little C4 on her tank, to keep her from spawning any more snakes.


    In the rebel camp, Daniel has been sufficiently freaked out by Rafael’s change in manner that he figures out how to break the planks of his jail hut. At the same time, in the presence of the operational device, Dead Guy Chalo turns into Zombie Chalo.



    Burke can’t stand that O’Neill doesn’t believe in him. The whole story comes out about Woods and how the shooting went down. O’Neill is skeptical, but listens, and the light of understanding finally dawns.


    Chalo, on the other hand, has found a gun, and he emerges from his hut, shooting up the place.
    Rafael and his minions are forced to take action, killing Chalo—again, while Daniel and Bill run into the jungle, trying to escape. O’Neill and Burke hear the shooting and run towards it, while Daniel and Bill are struggling to escape. Apparently, the device makes people into really bad shots, because not a single bullet hits Daniel or Bill, and Bill falls only due to an asthma attack (I got that from the director’s commentary). Daniel finally is hit, however, and collapses against a tree, pinned there by the rebels.


    Sam, Teal’c, and Jacob find the main room in the fortress, which is completely filled with hundreds of the Kull warriors. In a scene liberally stolen from Star Wars, they all bow and pledge their allegiance to Anubis. Thoth finds our heroes watching, however, and they are forced to kill him and run away. Of course, they’re followed by a Super Soldier.


    In Central America, gunfire erupts around Daniel, and he looks up to see that all the rebels have been taken out, and he is safe. He’s shocked to see Jack there, which makes him drop his rock. Suddenly, Zombie Chalo reemerges out of the jungle (which looks an awful lot like the forest around Vancouver), and as he raises his gun to fire, he is hit with a grenade, which makes him explode. The threat is over. They go back and secure the Telchak device, and then head on back to the SGC. Jack and Burke have made their peace.


    Sam, Teal’c, and Jacob run for the supply ship being piloted by Bra’tac. They get on, only to find that something has hitched a ride with them. Sam immediately fires on the Super Soldier, but he takes her out pretty quickly before heading towards Teal’c and summarily whumping him, too. Bra’tac finally has the notion to ring the Super Soldier out, which he does, and the threat is neutralized.


    Sam and Teal’c ‘Gate back home with Jacob and Bra’tac. They deliver the news that Anubis has thousands of Super Soldiers. Jack congratulates Sam on her command, and they look deeply again in to each other’s eyes and then head to lunch.

    To be Continued:
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      Continued:

      Other Characters:
      I love the other characters in this episode. Bra’tac and Jacob in the same episode is always fun, and I love that they seem to back each other up. Rogelio Duran is fun as the guide, and I liked the Central American rebels—it was good to see bad guys here on Earth as well as out in the wilds of space.


      Above all, though, I LOVE Enrico Colantoni as Burke. He and RDA play really well opposite each other. His reading of the character of Burke is wonderful—he’s so believable as a jaded and slightly “off” CIA operative, and I thoroughly enjoyed watching him in this episode. This character also offered a little more insight into Jack. It shows the stuff that he’s gone through that makes him who he is. The incident with Woods obviously has bothered him for years—to continue to have that kind of animosity for that long means that the shooting has never sat well with him. It also shows him with doubts—he’s normally so secure in his beliefs. But his expression while Burke is talking about the incident is the same as when Jack tells Daniel to “go ask questions” in “The Other Side”. He’s questioning what he believes, and that’s something that bothers him. Jack is the straight guy, here. This persona is one we don’t see often, and gives us a glimpse of what is to come when Jack becomes “General O’Neill”.


      Jack and Sam:
      Jack and Sam. They don’t appear together too much in this episode, but when they are—boy howdy! Fireworks. Longing looks and smoldering eyelines. It’s awesome that Jack expresses such trust in Sam to lead the mission without his input. This may be because her dad will be there, but I think it’s more because he’s come to believe in her ability to lead as deeply as he believes in his own. The look he gives her in her lab shows pride, and satisfaction, and respect, and she glows in it. Or that could have been the winky blinky lights behind her. But I prefer to believe it’s Jack.

      And there’s more of that when she passes through the ‘Gate. He wants to talk to her alone—holding her back to express his pride in her abilities. And he doesn’t slobber all over the fact that her arm is in a sling—I think he’s at the point where he knows that she’ll take care of what needs to be taken care of, and he just needs to give her the chance to do it. On Sam’s part, she doesn’t whine about her injury—we can presume that she has received some medical care from somewhere, since she doesn’t immediately ask to go to the infirmary. She’s bold, and meets Jack as an equal, and we get a sense of things to come when she’s a Colonel and in charge of more operations.

      The conversation in the lab is telling in several ways. The actors pared down their lines, here. They said less than what was on the page. I appreciate this, as what we got was a heated conversation played out around what they are actually saying. His look is really intense—and they are really communicating more in body language and eye contact than in words. I think that this shows their absolute trust in each other—they know that they’re on the same page and don’t need anything else to say it. She knows to her toes that he’s asking her to stay safe, to come back, to do what she needs to do, and he knows that she’s essentially saying the same things.


      Summary:

      All in all, this is one of my favorite episodes. I like this arc, and I simply adore the strength and ability that Sam shows in her assumption of command. We got to see Jacob and Bra’tac together, Daniel gets hit around a little (who doesn’t like that?) and Jack running through a jungle with a gun—well, me gusta.


      I have probably missed a thousand things. And if this is completely incoherent, please excuse me. I’m writing through a veil of Nyquil.
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        Originally posted by josiane View Post
        Seeing as we've got a bit behind with the rewatch, how about we just push all the episodes back a slot from now on? So I'll post Grace on Thursday instead of tomorrow, giving us time for the second part of Evolution to be posted and discussed. Then Fallout can be on 15th Nov, Chimera on 18th Nov etc. What does everyone think?
        I apologize for my part in getting us off schedule, and I'm all for the modifications (even though I've finished writing my reviews for the season).

        Great review Rachel. Part one of a two parter is always difficult to do. And can I just say that I dislike writing summeries so kudos to you and everyone else who does them so well.

        Originally posted by Rachel500 View Post
        Evolution Part 1
        My absolutely brand new favourite scene is the one where Sam updates Jack on the plan as they walk to the elevator; they get in and she asks for his opinion and he says 'I have some notes.'
        That line was a jab at Michael Greenburg who appearantly said that a lot.

        In terms of story I was thinking that he had to be teasing her (or his "notes" were very minor) because the plan we see them execute looked pretty much like what Sam described. I think this scene is a great example of the evolution of their professional relationship. Sam is making the plan and many of the major decisions and coming to him for approval, guidance, and support, and he demonstrates his trust in her growing leadership abilities.


        Favourite Quote
        Sam: You're worried that the super soldier will kill Ramius and then just slaughter the rest of us.
        Jack: Super Soldier?
        Sam: No?
        Jack: It has a ring.
        Also when they're in the cell, Jack tries to convince the guard to let them go and when he make no headway whatsoever Sam says, "That went well," and Jack repeats, "That went well."

        When couples are together for a long time they pick up one another's phrasing and mannerisms. That start to act and sound like each other. Both of these beats remind me of that. The things Sam is saying reminds me an awful lot of Jack.

        Discussion - General
        OK, so I love Evolution as a story. Bra'tac and Jacob which is always made of win. The Indiana Jones element for Daniel (although I still maintain it makes no sense sending just two scientists alone to get the device - surely some kind of military escort would have made sense even if it is Earth).

        There is a lot of exposition in this part before the action shifts to the planet and the capture/escape. But it's a good set-up for the next part.
        I am really not a fan of Evolution (either part). I find it boring (I agree there is a lot of exposition) and the whole South American rebel thing is terribly cliche. And while I love Jacob and Bra'tac, I don't think either of them are at there best here. Maybe because I like them best when they are interacting with Jack, who isn't really there.

        Sam and Jack
        It really struck me on rewatching just how long Jack is absent at the beginning without a word being mentioned of where he is or what he's doing. He's just not there. Presumably he's off doing other things and is recalled for the mission to capture the supersoldier.
        The commentary for this episode was done by PDL and Gary Jones. Whenever RDA came on screen GJ would ask, "Who's that?" And one time PDL answered something like, "That's Richard Dean Anderson. We want you to think he's still on this show. He's in this scene to show that his character is still interested and knows what's going on."

        The scene in the cell is very interesting because their attention is divided between each other and the other issues facing them - Sam keeping Reynolds stable, Jack trying to get them out, and yet both are completely aware of the other, completely keeping track of the other, completely relying on each other. It's a great scene where both of them are completely synch with each other on a professional and personal basis. And again a great set-up for the next part.
        Nice observation. They really are in tune with each other throughout.

        Originally posted by Akamaimom View Post
        Okay, people, I'm so sorry I don't have the Evolution 3 review up. I got home from Houston and three of the five kids were sick, which they kindly shared with me, so now I'm sniffling and coughing and all kinds of stuffy. So, I'm working on it--I will get it up as soon as is humanly possible. In the meantime, please talk amongst yourselves and ignore the nasty hacking I'm doing over here.
        I hope you and the kids are all feeling better!

        Originally posted by Nynaeve506 View Post
        Actually, it's probably highly unlikely that Hammond COULD send a military escort. Unfortunately, sending in military personnel could have set off an international incident drawing attention to a top secret program that they clearly wouldn't want anyone to know about.

        Additionally, Daniel, combat experience aside, is an actual academic and therefore less likely to ding the radar. Our (the USA) relationship with Latin American countries can be very, very precarious. Even unarmed or out of uniform, the larger the group the more obvious you are and no doubt Daniel, having traveled to places like Egypt had all the visas and credentials.

        Not saying they couldn't really work it up for some extra manpower, but I don't think they were expecting anyone to kidnap them. For all intents and purposes they were going to go in and get out, a week tops. Turns out the device made people CRAZY.

        On topic...

        I love that quote too Rachel
        I agree with all of this. And I was actually wondering in the second part how Jack got his P-90 past customs.

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          Originally posted by hlndncr View Post


          I hope you and the kids are all feeling better!


          I agree with all of this. And I was actually wondering in the second part how Jack got his P-90 past customs.
          Slowly, we're all getting better. My husband left four of us home from church today, and I'm sort of hoping against hope for a Monday miracle where we suddenly wake up and the kids can all go to school. **prays mightily**

          I'm also apologizing for getting us off track. My kids and their Boogers of Doom also say they're sorry.

          My guess is that he took a military flight down (Hammond said something about a C-130), and either took his weapon with him, or got something out of the consulate/US military installations down there. There are several active bases still in Colombia, so that would have provided Jack access.
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            Firstly, *hugs* to all of you who are sick, and no worries at all about the getting off schedule thing! Life has a way of getting in the way sometimes I just thought it might be less stressful for everyone if we pushed it back and then we will have time to discuss Evolution properly.
            I love Evolution too, it's a cracking two parter with lots of action, Jacob & Bra'tac, shippy stuff, and plot developments oh my. I agree there are less-than-believable bits, but when SG1 is firing on all cylinders that never matters, and it doesn't here, for me.

            Originally posted by Rachel500 View Post
            The scene in the cell is very interesting because their attention is divided between each other and the other issues facing them - Sam keeping Reynolds stable, Jack trying to get them out, and yet both are completely aware of the other, completely keeping track of the other, completely relying on each other. It's a great scene where both of them are completely synch with each other on a professional and personal basis. And again a great set-up for the next part.
            I love this too, along with the scenes in part two, so well described by Akamaimom. Sam and Jack really work as a pair here, really in sync, even though they spend a lot of the time apart, and it again shows the comfort level their relationship has at this point.

            Originally posted by Akamaimom View Post
            Jacob goes through the ‘Gate dressed as the Super Soldier, after some good-natured ribbing from Siler. Once through the force field, he is intercepted by a Goa’uld scientist with the unfortunate name of “Thoth”. Quite possibly, this is the worst character name EVER.
            I LOVE that he's called Thoth! Thoth, of course, being Anubis's sidekick, the ibis-headed god who wrote down people's life stories while Anubis weighed their hearts at the entrance to the underworld. I don't think his name is ever actually used on screen, so this is a great example of the little subtle mythological references that Stargate excels at. It also makes perfect sense for Thoth to be the scientist behind the super-soldiers, being as Thoth was always a somewhat scholarly deity (I always imagine him rather like Daniel, but then again, my impression of Thoth has been rather coloured by Neil Gaiman's American Gods )
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              Originally posted by josiane View Post
              Firstly, *hugs* to all of you who are sick, and no worries at all about the getting off schedule thing! Life has a way of getting in the way sometimes I just thought it might be less stressful for everyone if we pushed it back and then we will have time to discuss Evolution properly.
              I love Evolution too, it's a cracking two parter with lots of action, Jacob & Bra'tac, shippy stuff, and plot developments oh my. I agree there are less-than-believable bits, but when SG1 is firing on all cylinders that never matters, and it doesn't here, for me.



              I love this too, along with the scenes in part two, so well described by Akamaimom. Sam and Jack really work as a pair here, really in sync, even though they spend a lot of the time apart, and it again shows the comfort level their relationship has at this point.



              I LOVE that he's called Thoth! Thoth, of course, being Anubis's sidekick, the ibis-headed god who wrote down people's life stories while Anubis weighed their hearts at the entrance to the underworld. I don't think his name is ever actually used on screen, so this is a great example of the little subtle mythological references that Stargate excels at. It also makes perfect sense for Thoth to be the scientist behind the super-soldiers, being as Thoth was always a somewhat scholarly deity (I always imagine him rather like Daniel, but then again, my impression of Thoth has been rather coloured by Neil Gaiman's American Gods )
              Anubis calls him that at least once, so yep. It's there. I've listened to the director's commentary too (with Amanda Tapping ), and he mentions it, and she laughs at the name. It's cute.
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                Okay, this post is bound to be one of the most unpopular posts ever on this thread, but I'm gonna write it anyway, and then duck for cover, fleeing from rotten vegetables. Here goes:

                Originally posted by hlndncr View Post
                I am really not a fan of Evolution (either part). I find it boring (I agree there is a lot of exposition) and the whole South American rebel thing is terribly cliche. And while I love Jacob and Bra'tac, I don't think either of them are at there best here. Maybe because I like them best when they are interacting with Jack, who isn't really there.
                I SO agree with it. I'm not a fan of Evolution either. It's been a long time since I last saw it, so I don't remember if I was bored or was there something else that bothered me - apart from the reasons hlndncr listed, that I agree with too - but...yeah, this ep just doesn't do it for me. There are too many unbelievable things happening and too many missed opportunities (for those who don't remember, this ep was advertised as the episode in which we'd learn a lot about Jack's past and background ) for me to properly enjoy it.

                And then there's the matter of Sam's leadership. I...don't see it. From what I remember Sam doesn't seem to be in charge any more than Jacob/Bra'tac, and if it wasn't for Jack's comments I would never have thought that she was in command. It just doesn't make sense. She's not only the youngest and the least experienced out of all participiants but also the only member of Earth military present. Who was she in command of?

                *ducks for cover*

                The commentary for this episode was done by PDL and Gary Jones. Whenever RDA came on screen GJ would ask, "Who's that?" And one time PDL answered something like, "That's Richard Dean Anderson. We want you to think he's still on this show. He's in this scene to show that his character is still interested and knows what's going on."
                Ouch!
                There's a good chance this opinion is shared by Ashizuri
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                  Nice job AKA!

                  It seems I'm the only one who doesn't like Evolution, but then I was the only one who really liked Birthright so I must have my own beat playing over here. That's OK. I like being different.

                  EDIT: OK, it looks like I might have Petra on my side on this one anyway.

                  Originally posted by Akamaimom View Post
                  Before he leaves, he goes into Carter’s lab to inform her that he’s going to go after Daniel. They talk (to be discussed later in the Sam/Jack section of the review), and he leaves secure in the knowledge that 1) her own mission to discover what she can about the Super Soldier won’t be a problem, and 2) that they can still look longingly at each other over a horizontal surface without flinging themselves across it and—well—you know.
                  Honestly, how do they do it? I would have jumped the table and dragged him down!

                  Sam and Teal’c meet up with Jacob in Anubis’ base. There’s a cute moment with Sam and Jacob, where she looks at him oddly after he asks her if she’s been worried. I think that this indicates that their relationship has truly matured into one of two equal adults.
                  Interesting thought. It is very different than the Jacob we have seen who scolded Sam and Daniel like misbehaving children in Tangent.

                  Jack and Burke are traipsing through the jungle, where they come upon Rogelio Duran, the first guide, who has survived his gunshot wound. They get directions from him, and then leave him for the rescue that he seems secure is on its way.
                  That part drives me nuts. Originally the character was supposed to be dead, but they liked the actor so they rewrote the scene and it is ridiculous (I mean even beyond Stargate ridiculous). He's been lying in the woods for something like three days, wounded, without food, water or medical care right where he was shot and he says he's feeling fine. Then they don't even leave him a canteen, just a pack of gum!

                  Originally posted by Akamaimom View Post
                  Other Characters:
                  I love the other characters in this episode. Bra’tac and Jacob in the same episode is always fun, and I love that they seem to back each other up. Rogelio Duran is fun as the guide, and I liked the Central American rebels—it was good to see bad guys here on Earth as well as out in the wilds of space.


                  Above all, though, I LOVE Enrico Colantoni as Burke. He and RDA play really well opposite each other. His reading of the character of Burke is wonderful—he’s so believable as a jaded and slightly “off” CIA operative, and I thoroughly enjoyed watching him in this episode. This character also offered a little more insight into Jack. It shows the stuff that he’s gone through that makes him who he is. The incident with Woods obviously has bothered him for years—to continue to have that kind of animosity for that long means that the shooting has never sat well with him. It also shows him with doubts—he’s normally so secure in his beliefs. But his expression while Burke is talking about the incident is the same as when Jack tells Daniel to “go ask questions” in “The Other Side”. He’s questioning what he believes, and that’s something that bothers him. Jack is the straight guy, here. This persona is one we don’t see often, and gives us a glimpse of what is to come when Jack becomes “General O’Neill”.
                  I have to disagree with you on this. One of the things I hate most about these episodes are pretty much every secondary character. (Not Jacob and Bra'tac of course. They are awesome, but as I said before they didn't really click for me here. Bill Lee isn't a PDL creation either. Although up to this point he's seemed like a very different character each time he's been on screen. And TBH PDL has written several of my least favorite episodes including the horrible Affinity, which I hate with a passion and not just for the aspects.)

                  I find the South American rebels cliche, and Burke is really annoying. And the whole Burke storyline seems to me to be a less interesting rehash of the Cromwell story from A Matter of Time (one-time brother in arms on the outs because Jack doesn't forgive those he believes screwed up).

                  Jack and Sam:
                  Jack and Sam. They don’t appear together too much in this episode, but when they are—boy howdy! Fireworks. Longing looks and smoldering eyelines. It’s awesome that Jack expresses such trust in Sam to lead the mission without his input. This may be because her dad will be there, but I think it’s more because he’s come to believe in her ability to lead as deeply as he believes in his own. The look he gives her in her lab shows pride, and satisfaction, and respect, and she glows in it. Or that could have been the winky blinky lights behind her. But I prefer to believe it’s Jack.

                  And there’s more of that when she passes through the ‘Gate. He wants to talk to her alone—holding her back to express his pride in her abilities. And he doesn’t slobber all over the fact that her arm is in a sling—I think he’s at the point where he knows that she’ll take care of what needs to be taken care of, and he just needs to give her the chance to do it. On Sam’s part, she doesn’t whine about her injury—we can presume that she has received some medical care from somewhere, since she doesn’t immediately ask to go to the infirmary. She’s bold, and meets Jack as an equal, and we get a sense of things to come when she’s a Colonel and in charge of more operations.

                  The conversation in the lab is telling in several ways. The actors pared down their lines, here. They said less than what was on the page. I appreciate this, as what we got was a heated conversation played out around what they are actually saying. His look is really intense—and they are really communicating more in body language and eye contact than in words. I think that this shows their absolute trust in each other—they know that they’re on the same page and don’t need anything else to say it. She knows to her toes that he’s asking her to stay safe, to come back, to do what she needs to do, and he knows that she’s essentially saying the same things.
                  I agree that the chemistry in these scenes is great. (Although, to nit-pick, they hadn't planned the other mission until after Jack left; so what is he talking about in the lab?) As to the bold, I understood that more lines were added because the scene was to obtuse. Did I get that wrong? Either way, it is amazing what these two can say to each other just with a single gaze. Very useful in the field, yes, but also a sign of their deep emotional connection.


                  Originally posted by josiane View Post
                  I LOVE that he's called Thoth! Thoth, of course, being Anubis's sidekick, the ibis-headed god who wrote down people's life stories while Anubis weighed their hearts at the entrance to the underworld. I don't think his name is ever actually used on screen, so this is a great example of the little subtle mythological references that Stargate excels at. It also makes perfect sense for Thoth to be the scientist behind the super-soldiers, being as Thoth was always a somewhat scholarly deity (I always imagine him rather like Daniel, but then again, my impression of Thoth has been rather coloured by Neil Gaiman's American Gods )
                  Totally agree, I love Thoth. And I'm mad they killed him. A scholar or scientist among the goa'uld is a character that had a lot of potential. But I don't think they cast the right actor. I think he needed to look a little more "scholarly" or "geeky." And they could have pronounced his name with a hard T instead of the TH (both are acceptable), which I think would have sounded better.
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                    Originally posted by Petra View Post
                    And then there's the matter of Sam's leadership. I...don't see it. From what I remember Sam doesn't seem to be in charge any more than Jacob/Bra'tac, and if it wasn't for Jack's comments I would never have thought that she was in command. It just doesn't make sense. She's not only the youngest and the least experienced out of all participiants but also the only member of Earth military present. Who was she in command of?
                    Sam wasn't in charge of any military personnel when she was given command of SG1 either (and Teal'c's experience far exceeds hers). And as I think about it, that could be one of the weaknesses of her being "in command" in season 8 because she hardly lead anyone, ever. It might have been an improvement to have a younger (rookie) officer for her to mentor and train. Just a half-formed thought.

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                      Originally posted by hlndncr View Post
                      Sam wasn't in charge of any military personnel when she was given command of SG1 either (and Teal'c's experience far exceeds hers). And as I think about it, that could be one of the weaknesses of her being "in command" in season 8 because she hardly lead anyone, ever. It might have been an improvement to have a younger (rookie) officer for her to mentor and train. Just a half-formed thought.
                      That would transform quite nicely into fic.
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                        Originally posted by Akamaimom View Post
                        That would transform quite nicely into fic.
                        Like I need more fics that I'll never get the time to finish! *sighs heavily*

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                          Originally posted by hlndncr View Post
                          Like I need more fics that I'll never get the time to finish! *sighs heavily*
                          Amen, sister.
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                            Originally posted by hlndncr View Post
                            The commentary for this episode was done by PDL and Gary Jones. Whenever RDA came on screen GJ would ask, "Who's that?" And one time PDL answered something like, "That's Richard Dean Anderson. We want you to think he's still on this show. He's in this scene to show that his character is still interested and knows what's going on."
                            Ouch, indeed! This is really the problem I have with not only this episode but all of season seven. Come on in every other episode Jack is missing, injured, on vacation, in the bathroom, or I don’t know where. It gets more ridiculous every time. I listened to Darren and David’s SG-1 podcasts recently and they mentioned their disappointment concerning Jack’s appearances in season eight and considering season seven it’s handled pretty well there. I think I’ve seen Evolution once maybe twice and to be honest never even caught the really great lab scene between Sam and Jack. I don’t know how I could miss it? Sorry I’m in a bit of a mood tonight.
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                              Originally posted by Lilac736 View Post
                              Ouch, indeed! This is really the problem I have with not only this episode but all of season seven. Come on in every other episode Jack is missing, injured, on vacation, in the bathroom, or I don’t know where. It gets more ridiculous every time. I listened to Darren and David’s SG-1 podcasts recently and they mentioned their disappointment concerning Jack’s appearances in season eight and considering season seven it’s handled pretty well there. I think I’ve seen Evolution once maybe twice and to be honest never even caught the really great lab scene between Sam and Jack. I don’t know how I could miss it? Sorry I’m in a bit of a mood tonight.
                              I think they handled Season 8 so much better and overall I like it more than Season 7. With Jack as the General in charge of the SGC it made sense that he wasn't always around (he had other responsibilities with other teams) and that pretty much all of his scenes were on the base. They didn't have to go to ridiculous lengths to explain his absence and in the end I felt like he was more present.

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                                Originally posted by hlndncr View Post
                                I think they handled Season 8 so much better and overall I like it more than Season 7. With Jack as the General in charge of the SGC it made sense that he wasn't always around (he had other responsibilities with other teams) and that pretty much all of his scenes were on the base. They didn't have to go to ridiculous lengths to explain his absence and in the end I felt like he was more present.
                                That's exactly my point, the way it was handled is ridiculous. And it obviously clouded my conception to such an extent that I missed the essential parts. I should really watch it again.
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