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    What happened to the gate on Apophis’ ship?

    At the end of season 1/beginning of season 2 in the two part episodes Within The Serpent’s Grasp(1x22)/The Serpent’s Lair(2x01) we had SG-1 directly gate into Apophis’ flagship, as said flagship had a stargate on board. That flagship, along with one other Ha’tak, then flew to Earth to attack it, whereupon both ships were eventually destroyed by SG-1.

    My question is, what happened to that gate?

    The Giza gate was found in 1928 (SG94), and remained in used until the season 4 episode Small Victories(4x01), where it was beamed aboard an Asgard ship so that SG-1 could escape it before it burned up during reentry. This gate was later found by the Russians and paired with the Giza DHD (4x7 Watergate). After the Antarctica gate was destroyed by Anubis(6x02 Redemption pt. 2), this gate went back into active use.

    The beta gate likewise was found by O’Neill and Carter(1x18 Solitudes), stolen by the NID, recovered by the SGC (2x14, Touchstone) and put into active use following the presumed loss of the Giza gate.

    As far as I know, the series never clarifies the fate of the Apophis gate, presuming it destroyed.

    However, Stargate’s are shown in the series to be tough cookies, and a single block of C4 as seen in WTSG/TSL is weaker that other explosions that have failed to destroy a gate (9x6 Beachhead, 3x17 A Hundred Days, 2x16 A Matter of Time, 4x1 Small Victories).

    As far as I know, no episodes of the show address the fate of this stargate, do any of the novels pick up this dangling thread or was it just forgotten about?

    #2
    It's assumed destroyed. Though they do tend to a be a bit inconsistent with that. We do see the gate get destroyed by an al'kesh crashing on it. But apparently the meteor wasn't enough.

    I will defend Beachhead and Matter of Time though. For Beachhead a prior protected the gate from the explosion. And for Matter of Time, time dilation makes things dicey. I was reading what happens if you fall into a black hole and and outside viewer will see you die from being stringified while you on the inside will be scratching your head wondering what is going on. So the gate could be suffering the same where time is so slow that it hasn't been torn apart yet.

    Small Victories and Hundred Days is a MAYBE defend. The inertial dampeners of the ship could have been what saved the gate. Hundred Days is the hardest to defend especially since we see an al'kesh vaporize the gate with a crash. Maybe the meteor hit nearby and the kinetic shockwave knocked it over but even I'll admit that's relaly reaching (and Carter would go on to say the gate survived a direct hit from a meteor)

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      #3
      Originally posted by StargateMillennium View Post
      It's assumed destroyed. Though they do tend to a be a bit inconsistent with that. We do see the gate get destroyed by an al'kesh crashing on it. But apparently the meteor wasn't enough.

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      Hundred Days is the hardest to defend especially since we see an al'kesh vaporize the gate with a crash. Maybe the meteor hit nearby and the kinetic shockwave knocked it over but even I'll admit that's relaly reaching (and Carter would go on to say the gate survived a direct hit from a meteor)
      I believe you're thinking of "48 Hours." The dialogue only says the DHD was destroyed when the al'kesh crashed:

      CARTER
      If the Alkesh crashed into the DHD on the other planet it would have cut off power to the outgoing gate. Then the wormhole would have been severed prematurely. Now if that happened before our gate was able to reconvert Teal'c's energy signature back into matter...


      Here's the clip: https://youtu.be/naFoBOTD2Ag?t=59 I see the explosion from the al'kesh going down on the DHD engulfing the gate, but I don't see any reason to think the gate was destroyed in that explosion. Someone else I spoke to about this thinks that they see a secondary explosion that came from the gate when slowed down. I just see everything going white for a bit and then flames appearing to wrap around the gate from the right of the screen.

      I'd also point out that this is a season 5 episode, and in the previous season's "Chain Reaction" they established that turning a planet into "a giant ball of super heated plasma" by setting off all of its naquadah deposits didn't destroy the gate. So, even if we did see the gate destroyed in "48 Hours," at best it would an error by the SFX people since the writers had already established how durable the gate was at that point, and they didn't say the gate was destroyed once in dialogue.

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        #4
        Good catch. I missed that line. Yeah, I think the SFX made it look like the gate got destroyed.

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          #5
          Well... If it was still useable then somebody would have found it already. Or maybe it has floating away out of the solar system now.

          I have never liked spaceship explosions near Earth as I would expect some debris to float around our planet. But nothing after the defeat of Anubis' fleet or the SuperHive. Simply it is not logical as the pieces should fly away in every direction, so some part of those destroyed should have fallen back to the Moon or Earth while some part of it would have orbitted around our planet.
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