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  • the fifth man
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    Originally posted by chocdoc
    I suppose another one could be that Vala is a regular, but not on the team, and would be in some episodes more than others.
    I really like that one. Of course, she would have to accompany them on certain missions, at least. You know that would be the case.

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  • Lexa Jayde
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    yes yes... only time will tell....

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  • chocdoc
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    Originally posted by Skydiver
    in all honesty, it's nothing more than worst case scenario speculation.

    we could end up with more eps like the beginnign of s9. where sam in totally absent and vala is front and center. and in that scenario, she will be 'replacing' sam as the female.

    it's also possible that vala will be a full time member of the cast and sam will be reduced to recurring. which means that she will lose her name in the front credits and be like Carmen or Janet when they are in an eps...they're only in the credits of the eps that they are in. also in that way she's replacing sam as the female lead

    it's also possible that we'll get a 5 person team with all of them playing together like good little boys and girls. and in that case she won't be replacing sam

    only time will tell what will happen

    I suppose another one could be that Vala is a regular, but not on the team, and would be in some episodes more than others. I mean, how in the world could they justify having Vala on the team, especially if Sam is off it? So a military leader with little off-world experience, an archeologist, and two aliens? And this is supposed to be based in an air force setting?

    I know, I know, they could do it anyway because the writing doesn't have to make sense!

    Well, I know this means nothing, but in JM's blog he mentions Carter going off-world with the team as usual, but every so often going to Atlantis as well. So I took from that that she would still be on the team.

    Your scenario #2 is the worst one for me only because if they reduce AT to recurring for both shows, I could quite easily blow up! I can't imagine taking an actor who is has been such a key player to the show's success for so long and then doing this. I know, I know, they can---all I can say is that I hope AT has a good agent. I can't imagine her being happy with this if this were so, particularly when she has another good opportunity for another series.

    yes, time will tell.

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  • Skydiver
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    in all honesty, it's nothing more than worst case scenario speculation.

    we could end up with more eps like the beginnign of s9. where sam in totally absent and vala is front and center. and in that scenario, she will be 'replacing' sam as the female.

    it's also possible that vala will be a full time member of the cast and sam will be reduced to recurring. which means that she will lose her name in the front credits and be like Carmen or Janet when they are in an eps...they're only in the credits of the eps that they are in. also in that way she's replacing sam as the female lead

    it's also possible that we'll get a 5 person team with all of them playing together like good little boys and girls. and in that case she won't be replacing sam

    only time will tell what will happen

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  • Uber
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    Originally posted by chocdoc
    Question for everyone: Okay, so far, worst case scenario now is that Carter is split equally between SG-1 and SGA. If this happens, how is Vala "replacing" Sam in the Stargate universe? When Sam is on Atlantis, obviously Vala is not there. When Sam is on SG-1, she may have more front and center time, with Vala in the background. So what does it mean for Vala to replace Sam? And if Sam is in more like 17 episodes in SG-1, which may be more likely, then how is Vala replacing Sam?
    If Sam's not on SG-1 the team and Vala is...then I'd call that replacing her.

    I'm not saying that will happen. I'm saying I'm scared that will happen.

    It still could be that TPTB are only planning on Vala as a recurring and planning on a strong Carter show in Season 10. They could see also see that she should be team leader and fix that egregeous error.

    I'm just not hopeful of either based on the attitudes I've been picking up from TPTB.

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  • chocdoc
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    Originally posted by Skydiver
    in many ways vala does have potential. there are aspects of her that match aspects of sam. the ex-host for example.

    we know that goauld prolong the lives of their hosts, so how old is vala really? is she gonna give teal'c a run for his money in the longevity department?

    we could see a much more developed 'kendra'...an ex-host facing up to things her goauld did. can they make reparation? are they responsible for that?

    however, given how vala has been portrayed thus far i'm afraid that they won't take that tact with her. because that is a lot harder to do...and isn't topically interesting. such an involved story would take months and months to build up. and that's not what scifi seems to be interested in that kind of work. they like the fast and dirty, something shallow and easy to get into. and sexy vala is that.

    time will tell which tact they take (or are allowed to take)

    my perference, since vala joining seems to be a foregone conclusion, would be to see the in depth story idea. to me, that would be interesting. and if sam is to be replaced by vala, i'd at least like her to be replaced by something interesting

    i'm not watching any of the re-runs on friday nights....and the fact that the focus is sexy vala is why. she doesn't interest me

    Question for everyone: Okay, so far, worst case scenario now is that Carter is split equally between SG-1 and SGA. If this happens, how is Vala "replacing" Sam in the Stargate universe? When Sam is on Atlantis, obviously Vala is not there. When Sam is on SG-1, she may have more front and center time, with Vala in the background. So what does it mean for Vala to replace Sam? And if Sam is in more like 17 episodes in SG-1, which may be more likely, then how is Vala replacing Sam?

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  • Skydiver
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    in many ways vala does have potential. there are aspects of her that match aspects of sam. the ex-host for example.

    we know that goauld prolong the lives of their hosts, so how old is vala really? is she gonna give teal'c a run for his money in the longevity department?

    we could see a much more developed 'kendra'...an ex-host facing up to things her goauld did. can they make reparation? are they responsible for that?

    however, given how vala has been portrayed thus far i'm afraid that they won't take that tact with her. because that is a lot harder to do...and isn't topically interesting. such an involved story would take months and months to build up. and that's not what scifi seems to be interested in that kind of work. they like the fast and dirty, something shallow and easy to get into. and sexy vala is that.

    time will tell which tact they take (or are allowed to take)

    my perference, since vala joining seems to be a foregone conclusion, would be to see the in depth story idea. to me, that would be interesting. and if sam is to be replaced by vala, i'd at least like her to be replaced by something interesting

    i'm not watching any of the re-runs on friday nights....and the fact that the focus is sexy vala is why. she doesn't interest me

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  • Uber
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    Originally posted by ChopinGal
    Uber, way to go - redirecting us to this thread almost a year after the posts had gone up.

    Wow, I just read through them and you are right ... mostly everyone's worst-case scenario has come to pass: the high road was not taken; the character of Sam has been dissed and diminished; there is no sense of team, let alone leadership through first half of S9; BB, eager to be a part of the new show, seems to be feeling the super-hype and his portrayal does not carry the screen presence that he is capable of; Teal'c has been given a few weighty speeches at the High Council, other than that, he hasn't been utilized well; the "T&A" (excuse my use of a crude term but it seems to fit) mentality has been fully promoted - we've added burlesque in place of drama, at the expense of almost turning Daniel into a caricature and reducing CB to a one-dimensional practical joke, comedy central instead of character development; and, into this fine kettle of soup, Sam returns. "Not exactly" become the operative words regarding her leadership and her interpersonal relationships.

    Is there a grand vision in all this? What saddens me is that, for the first time in all the seasons of Stargate, I find myself not caring. Someone's lost the map and the road ahead looks mighty bumpy to me. I'll keep my compass handy, but it's not looking good.
    Wow. Me too.

    If this is what they have in mind, to diminish Sam for the sake of boosting Vala to the team? *shudder* That's just tragic.

    So there's no room for a strong, non-witchy leading female who uses integrity, wisdom and determination to solve problems...it's all about vamping it up I guess...

    And Mitchell. Hey it doesn't matter he has no personality at all because they've got their leading man right?

    I want to like Mitchell and Vala...but it's like TPTB are forcing me to resent them because they have a vision of a new and improved SG-1 where strong, honorable female heroes are too complex to write for.

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  • ChopinGal
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    Originally posted by ÜberSG-1Fan
    Wow. How intriguing to see this thread.

    This was back in the day we couldn't imagine an SG-1 without Sam leading and assumed that TPTB saw it the same way.

    Now look where we are...smack dab in the middle of a bonafide mess because someone somewhere needed to cram a leading man down our throats and had no problem shuffling Sam off to the side to do so regardless of how nonsensical the backstory and reasoning is.

    Funny how all the people who said she'd be screwed over were right.

    How tragically pathetic.
    Uber, way to go - redirecting us to this thread almost a year after the posts had gone up.

    Wow, I just read through them and you are right ... mostly everyone's worst-case scenario has come to pass: the high road was not taken; the character of Sam has been dissed and diminished; there is no sense of team, let alone leadership through first half of S9; BB, eager to be a part of the new show, seems to be feeling the super-hype and his portrayal does not carry the screen presence that he is capable of; Teal'c has been given a few weighty speeches at the High Council, other than that, he hasn't been utilized well; the "T&A" (excuse my use of a crude term but it seems to fit) mentality has been fully promoted - we've added burlesque in place of drama, at the expense of almost turning Daniel into a caricature and reducing CB to a one-dimensional practical joke, comedy central instead of character development; and, into this fine kettle of soup, Sam returns. "Not exactly" become the operative words regarding her leadership and her interpersonal relationships.

    Is there a grand vision in all this? What saddens me is that, for the first time in all the seasons of Stargate, I find myself not caring. Someone's lost the map and the road ahead looks mighty bumpy to me. I'll keep my compass handy, but it's not looking good.

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  • Uber
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    Originally posted by AGateFan
    Cram cam.!!!! hahahahahahahahaha....cram cam, cam cram. ahahahahahahahhaa...... I kill myself.
    Crameron Mitchell...

    Man this is scary. LOL

    So many people thought that TPTB wouldn't be so stupid as to shuffle Carter off to the side full time for the new guy and they were wrong. They thought Cam would be leading temporarily, and they were wrong. They thought his involvement on the team would make sense, and they were wrong...

    And now RCC says he doesn't know what to do with the Carter character? Hey, here's an idea. We could go with logic for a sec and make her the team leader as opposed to some guy who's a poor fit and doesn't seem to have any real leadership skills or any gate experience supposedly leading this team. They could make Sam the emotional focal point...I mean, Amanda certainly has the depth to pull that off. But then either of these things would essentially make her the main character, and they can't possibly do that. I mean, a WOMAN leading the team and the show??? Perish the thought. Sorry if that sounds like a feminist diatribe because I'm not a feminist but it just seems they have a mental picture of what formula would work for the team and the show and clearly Sam growing in her new capacity as team leader wasn't it.

    To them it made more sense it seems to CRAM a new "leading" guy into the mix and all of fandom would embrace him regardless of how ridiculous or implausible it was for him to be there in the first place much less leading the team.
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  • AGateFan
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    Cram cam.!!!! hahahahahahahahaha....cram cam, cam cram. ahahahahahahahhaa...... I kill myself.

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  • Uber
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    Wow. How intriguing to see this thread.

    This was back in the day we couldn't imagine an SG-1 without Sam leading and assumed that TPTB saw it the same way.

    Now look where we are...smack dab in the middle of a bonafide mess because someone somewhere needed to cram a leading man down our throats and had no problem shuffling Sam off to the side to do so regardless of how nonsensical the backstory and reasoning is.

    Funny how all the people who said she'd be screwed over were right.

    How tragically pathetic.

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  • the fifth man
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    At this point, I just don't think that's gonna happen.

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  • dreamer
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    Originally posted by Coley
    Just want to add my support to the Sam should be CO camp.

    I have my worries that TPTB brought in BB for his popularity on Farscape, thus adding to the Stargate fan base, and then had to create a character for him. Perhaps BB may only have been willing to sign if he got a high profile role??

    In my view they should create a character that provides a solid grounding for the other characters to to develop, to move in a slightly different direction, but still keeping the essence of SG1 being tight knit "family" (and providing a base for further seasons). Don't forget the remaining 3 have been at it for 8 years and a slight shift in emphasis would be welcome I'm sure. Then they should cast for that specific character. This doesn't mean to say I'm right, cause I don't know, they may have asked BB after a character was thought of.

    However, getting back to topic. If BB is the CO I'm not sure where Carter's character development will come from. She's back in the same position as season 1 to 6 in terms of team position and still has 3 male team members to work with.
    I'm all for Carter being the CO. I think she will be good at it. She is good at taking charge and giving orders to everyone (under the control of Hammond) when there is some crisis at the SGC.
    With SG1 's important role they need a crack team so don't have a problem with 2 members of high rank, the new character will add a tactical strength hopefully.
    We'll just have to wait and see what happend, but I shall be very disapointed if Carter does not lead.
    I think Carter has what it takes to lead SG1 if they don't try it they'll never know. She has a strong character and has been very believable in her position. After all she did help save earth over and over.

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  • MajorSam
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    Originally posted by the dancer of spaz
    I gotta say that I don't think that's gonna happen. Not ever - THANK GOD! I don't want ANYONE'S name over the titles. Heh heh. There's only one man who deserved that title, and I say he DESERVED it, because I think he stopped being the driving force of the fanbase after season one - but that's a totally different story, eh?

    Anyway, it causes too much controversy, and I honestly don't think that it could be done fairly, or in a way where 50,000 hardcore fans wouldn't be in an uproar, if you catch my drift.

    If TPTB could just ditch the whole "name over the titles" role after this season, that would be FANTASTIC.

    And if BB's name isn't AFTER Christopher Judge's, Michael Shanks', AND Amanda Tapping's, I'm gonna have some issues - serious, moral issues.

    here here, I think that whole thing is ridiculous. They're all a team, there shouldn't be one big person who they use to try and get viewers (RDA was the main character kind of yeah, but he was also the most known of them)

    If BB gets his name over it, I think I actually would actually have a heart attack...

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