Original Starship Design Thread

[immhotep]

Ah the holy grail of stargate travel...we dont know, ive always wondered and so have alot of people.

[Andrew Joshua Talon]

Ah the holy grail of stargate travel...we dont know, ive always wondered and so have alot of people.

Well, if you can send energy through a Stargate, I'm guessing you can beam a person through it. The Asgard just beam you up, send the signal through the Stargate, and you beam right where they target you on the other side. There. Case closed.

And now, ZakeD, I'd like to present to you my vision of the Thor-class starship! She may be small, but she packs one heck of a punch!

Spoiler:

Thor-class starship

-Designation: DDG-311
-Type: Medium hyperspace capable starship
-Role: Guided missile destroyer
-Users: United States Air Force/Navy.
-Technology Base: Tau'ri/Asgard/Goa'uld
-Builders: Ingalls Shipbuilding/Boeing
-Length: 148 meters
-Beam: 72 meters
-Draft: 32 meters
-Displacement: 128,798 metric tonnes (1 gee)
-Capacity:
~Crew: 96 (12 officers, 84 enlisted)
~Troops: 40
~Maximum Capacity: 150
-Powerplant: One Mk. III Naquada reactor
-Propulsion:
Two x large sublight ion drives
Two x hyperspace window generators
Anti-gravity wave generator network
-Armament:
~One x 1.25 PW High-energy Laser (HEL)
~Two x Mk. 42 VMLS x 34 missile cells each
~Two x RAM-116S defensive missile launchers x 21 rounds each
~Eight x 6.8" (155mm) Advanced Gunnery System Rail Guns x 5,000 rounds each
-Defenses:
Asgard-designed shields
Trinium-based armor plating
Inert naquada armor in key areas (bridge, engine room)
-Additional Technology:
Goa'uld Rings
Asgard transporter
Asgard sensors
-Support Craft:
~Two CV-309 Pegasus utility craft
~Six F-302 multi-role strike fighters



-Technical and Historical Notes-

When the United States Navy began construction of it's own

starships in 2004, there were two opposing points of view on how

the Navy should run a space-based fleet. Once side believed that

the mothership concept employed by the Gou'ald and other powers

was how they should proceed (given the successes of the 303 and

304 class vessels operated by the Air Force). With limited

resources, jack-of-all-trades type ships seemed the most logical

solution. The other side held that making more specialized ships

would make their navy more efficient.

Ultimately, a balance was struck between the two philosophies,

and just one example of this compromise is the Thor-class

guided missile destroyer.

The Thor was the result of a US Navy requirement for a

small capital ship-class, that was heavily armed and extremely

manueverable. Encounters by the SGC with the Gou'ald

Al'Kesh-type medium bomber led the Navy to believe that creating

a better armed counter to this threat would give Earth an

decisive edge. In addition, with the Columbia-class

carrier under construction, it was felt that support ships would

be needed for the large capital ships soon to be coming off the

assembly lines. The Abydos-class cruiser, while a

smaller vessel than the Columbia and

Daedalus-class vessels, was intended to operate like a

space-going attack submarine. Indepedent operations would be

it's focus. The US Navy and Air Force wanted an escort ship.

Ingalls Shipbuilding, the company that had built the Arleigh

Burke-class guided missile destroyers for the US Navy, took

up the top secret challenge. Wtih assistance from former SG-1

member Jonas Quinn (on Earth for an exchange program), Ingalls

Shipbuilding set up a secret hanger in the Newport News shipyard

for the construction of the vessel now designated the X-311.

First and foremost, the X-311 used all-trinium construction.

It's smaller size allowed it to remain cheaper than it's big

sister the Abydos-class starship, despite being made of a

more expensive material. It's hull was wedge-shaped and very

small, minimizing it's cross-section wherever possible. And it's

assymetrically placed boathouse (housing the bridge and other

command/control systems) allowed for more flexibility in

placement of the ship's powerplant and engines.

From the start, the X-311 was to use the same technology

developed for the Columbia and Abydos-class

starship programs, to save money and get the ship built more

quickly. To this end, her primary weapon, a 1.25 PW high-energy

laser, is the same type first pioneered on the Abydos.

Her 155mm rail guns are the same employed by the Columbia

and the Abydos as well. Many of her internal components

are spare parts from the two larger ships. And her VLMS are

slightly modified versions from Arleigh Burke-class

destroyers. The X-311 (later codenamed "Thor") was designed to

be a tough, no-nonsense warship, and was ready for her first

test flight in only three months.

Since she used tried and true technologies and systems, the

Thor's first shakedown cruise went without any

significant difficulty. Simulations indicated that her small

size and oversized powerplant made her far more durable in heavy

combat situations than many larger starships. In addition, her

ease of repair and maintenance could keep her flying 50% longer

than the BC-303 before needing an overhaul. The US Navy was very

impressed, and immediately ordered the Thor into

production as their first true starship class. The USS

Thor was commissioned on December 20th, 2004, under the

command of Captain Harman Rabb, US Navy.

Thor's first few missions dealt with long-range patrol of

former Gou'ald holdings. In February 2005 she assisted a Free

Jaffa warship in destroying four Lucian Alliance Al'Kesh that

had been involved in piracy. She was able to recover the stolen

goods before blowing apart the enemy ships without taking any

damage or suffering any casualties. Her lack of an intergalactic

hyperdrive prevented her from being dispatched to aid Atlantis

against the Wraith, but she helped the Columbia (CVA-308)

in delivering the cure to the Ori plague to over twenty-seven

planets. She assisted several worlds against the Ori "Prior Bug"

plague, using her laser from orbit to kill millions of the

insects with pinpoint accuracy.

Thor, with the Abydos-class cruiser

Delphi and the second Thor-class starship

David, formed the first space-borne carrier battlegroup

for the Columbia-class starship Challenger. All

four vessels fought in the battle of P3Y-116 against the first

Ori incursion into the Milky Way galaxy. Thor and

Challenger were barely able to escape, while the

David was temporarily abandoned and the Delphi

destroyed in action against the Ori battleships. The Thor

is currently under repair alongside the Challenger, while

her sister ships Oracle, Verthdandi,

Beowulf, and Andromeda join the fight against the

Ori. The DDG-311-class ships Skuld and Urd have

been deployed to the Pegasus galaxy. The David is still

undergoing repair and is not expected to reenter service for

another year, after losing nearly 20% of her hull in combat

against the Ori. The fact that most of the David's crew

survived despite the heavy damage only proves the exceptional

design of the class.

[aAnubiSs]

1.Harman Rabb... any relations to JAG's Harmon Rabb?
2.155mm.... Does it have 155mm artillery nukes?=)
3. PW-laser doesn't really say much. Joules/shot and recharge would be nice Afterall current lasers are 600 joules/nanosecond, not 1.5PJ/s


Are you sure this wouldn't classify as a Destroyer? Feels like it's a bit too overpowered for a Frigate. Especially with that many VLS-missiles.

[ZakeD]

Awesome. I envy your spec making skills. Though I think it should have a hyperdrive, and I'm not sure it's big enough to fit a pegasus in its hangars.

[Davidtourniquet]

You realise we could just use beaming technology to get them on and off...plus we would need a 100+km runway on the other side, unless it was a spacegate...also i dont understand why you are mentioningthe supergate...
The supergate is dialed from another galaxy to ours, we cant dial it from our stargate, we would need a ZPM to dial pegasus and it would run out after 200+ days of dial out 4 times a day...

Im sure you can dial the supergate in our galaxy to the spacegate round the blackhole in pegasus. Otherwise it'll have to be 2 spacegates in the milky way with a zpm. Coming back is easy, just use the gate

Spoiler:

in the pegasus project

, it's just getting to the pegasus. If you are able to use the supergate, the transport can fly at whatever speed into it, so you can get all the transports through.
I would of said beaming tech, but weren't sure if it would pick up 600,000 people and split them on 2 levels.

[ZakeD]

I just noticed you took the time to count the missiles cells..holy crap. o_0 Would it require changing the history to make it a cruiser? If so, don't change it. But I kinda wanted it to be a cruiser.

[Andrew Joshua Talon]

1.Harman Rabb... any relations to JAG's Harmon Rabb?
2.155mm.... Does it have 155mm artillery nukes?=)
3. PW-laser doesn't really say much. Joules/shot and recharge would be nice Afterall current lasers are 600 joules/nanosecond, not 1.5PJ/s


Are you sure this wouldn't classify as a Destroyer? Feels like it's a bit too overpowered for a Frigate. Especially with that many VLS-missiles.

1: Yes, I love to crossover Stargate with other things, and it was the first name to pop out of my head.

2: Well, for the most part her rail guns use depleted uranium shells encased in tungsten. Fired at Mach 8+, this gives her quite a punch against unshielded targets like Al'Kesh and Wraith cruisers. Their firing rates also make them very effective anti-fighter weapons. I'm afraid, however, that her guns are just too small to fire nuclear warheads (that would require 16 inch guns, like those of the Iowa-class battleships, that were actually designed to fire 15-20 kiloton nuclear shells called "Katies"). She does have a naquada-enhanced shell option though, which gives her more punch against bigger ships.

3: The petawatt laser is based on the NOVA laser in Livermore Lawrence Laboratory, California, which is the largest and most powerful laser in the world. However, this version has the same output but from a much smaller weapon thanks to naquada power generation and alien technology. The laser has two modes: "Pulse" and "Blast". Pulse is the default setting, firing hundreds of laser pulses a second so that it resembles a single, concentrated beam. This can be used to carve up enemy ships or sweep through fighter formations.

The other mode, Blast, basically releases a single, much bigger pulse that acts like a straight bolt of lightening-It fires, it forms a beam between your ship and the target, and winks out as it causes the target to explode. The energy release is equivalent to 20-25 kilotons a second in pulse mode, while the blast mode does 10-15 megatons of damage per shot. Not as powerful as a warhead, but much easier and cheaper to use.

Well, its primary role is fleet defense, patrol, and escort duties. That's the definition of a frigate. But yeah, it is very heavily armed for a frigate-class vessel.

I'll just make my Abydos into a guided missile cruiser instead, and the Thor will be the destroyer. The Arleigh Burke of the stars, LOL.

Awesome. I envy your spec making skills. Though I think it should have a hyperdrive, and I'm not sure it's big enough to fit a pegasus in its hangars.

Thanks! Oh, don't worry, it does have a hyperdrive. It just started out with the model the Prometheus originally used because intergalactic hyperdrives were reserved for Daedalus and Columbia-class ships at that time. With the war against the Ori in full swing, Thor and her sisters received Asgard hyperdrives so that they can get to the Pegasus galaxy in about two weeks.

Well, the Peggies are pretty small themselves, and it gives the ship more utility. They're not as fast in normal space as Puddlejumpers, but have a limited hyperdrive capability that gives them better range. And while they don't have as long a range as a Tel'tac, their cloaking devices are better and they can carry weapons.

[NoDot]

One of the things that's always bugged me about Stargate space combat is no one ever used their cloaking technology properly (IE to be real frustrating *******s) lets see if we can improve on that.

SSBH (hyperspace powered ballistic missile submarine )

Hm... Me like-y!

It'd be best against the Wraith: exit hyperspace, cloak, get real close, fire the missles quickly, switch to shield or get out of there real fast, and watch the chaos. If the Genii get arrogant again, then this should stop them, too.

BTW, can we call the "Age of Ship" style of combat obsolete, given 10x01 and

Spoiler:

the Ori ship comming strait down on top of a Ha'tak!

[aAnubiSs]

Actually there are 155mm nukes. W-85 or something like that. Yield was like a few kiloton at the most, but with a Naquadah shell that would increase.

Heck, they even designed a 105mm nuke IIRC, but it got cancelled.

[Andrew Joshua Talon]

Actually there are 155mm nukes. W-85 or something like that. Yield was like a few kiloton at the most, but with a Naquadah shell this would increase.

Heck, they even design'ed a 105mm nuke IIRC, but it got cancelled.

Really? Damn, didn't know that. Oh well, we can add them as an option, as the rail guns have a very high firing rate that makes them better for anti-fighter use.

What did you think of laser explanation? And ZakeD, hope you don't mind I made Thor into a destroyer.

[ZakeD]

You're a genius. ._.

[Andrew Joshua Talon]

You're a genius. ._.

Aw shucks, thanks ZakeD. You're too kind. ^__^

If you want though, I wouldn't mind you trying your hand at drawing my Abydos. Whichever version you like best, drawn in your own style. Could you do that for me?

[aAnubiSs]

Really? Damn, didn't know that. Oh well, we can add them as an option, as the rail guns have a very high firing rate that makes them better for anti-fighter use.

What did you think of laser explanation? And ZakeD, hope you don't mind I made Thor into a destroyer.

The AGS(Advanced Gun System) that will be used on the DD-21/DD(X)/WHATEVER THEY'RE CALLED TODAY will be capable of firing a 8 round-burst, with a normal firing rate of 10 rounds/minute.

Imagine all forward-facing barrels bursting out 8 nukes with shaped charges. Or one could fire 6 flachette filled shells and two nukes after them. The flachette ones would clear all darts infront of the nukes, allowing for near-contact detonation with a hive ship.

As for the laser; A laser isn't that efficient, so I hope you have some major cooling systems installed, as well as a massive capacitor. Heck, having Naquadah around the whole damn thing could fix both problems at once. One kilo of Naquadah(the isotope the gate is made of) has an energy storing potential of 100kT/kg, and being a superconductor you shouldn't have a problem using two Naquadah cells. One charges up and fires, while the waste heat is diverted into the second one. Then you fire again, and eventually the second capacitor will be charged to 100%, at which point you fire that one and use the other to absorb the waste heat

Those are my spontaneous thoughts.

[Andrew Joshua Talon]

The AGS(Advanced Gun System) that will be used on the DD-21/DD(X)/WHATEVER THEY'RE CALLED TODAY will be capable of firing a 8 round-burst, with a normal firing rate of 10 rounds/minute.

Imagine all forward-facing barrels bursting out 8 nukes with shaped charges. Or one could fire 6 flachette filled shells and two nukes after them. The flachette ones would clear all darts infront of the nukes, allowing for near-contact detonation with a hive ship.

As for the laser; A laser isn't that efficient, so I hope you have some major cooling systems installed, as well as a massive capacitor. Heck, having Naquadah around the whole damn thing could fix both problems at once. One kilo of Naquadah(the isotope the gate is made of) has an energy storing potential of 100kT/kg, and being a superconductor you shouldn't have a problem using two Naquadah cells. One charges up and fires, while the waste heat is diverted into the second one. Then you fire again, and eventually the second capacitor will be charged to 100%, at which point you fire that one and use the other to absorb the waste heat

Those are my spontaneous thoughts.

Well, they are very good thoughts, and definitely things to adapt for the use of the fleet. The naquada cell idea is GENIUS. We'll call this laser system the NFHEL (Naquada Fueled High Energy Laser). Created by Anubis Inc. ^__^

They've definitively named the DD(X) the Zumwalt class destroyer, or DDG-1000. However, instead of building thirty of them to replace the Arleigh Burkes gradually, we're only building seven of them and building more DDG-51s. Not that the Burkes aren't bad (easily the most powerful warships in history), but the faster we switch to an all-stealthed fleet, the farther ahead we'll be in the game. China, Norway, Denmark, France-They're all coming out with stealth ships. Sooner we get ours out in service, the better.

Well, these rail guns are based upon the AGS turrets, but employ the same technology as our smaller rail guns. Hence, their firing rate is closer to 7 or 8 shells every second in salvos. Of course, the automated magazine system developed for the Columbia's guns should work just fine in allow an easy switch from conventional to nuclear ordnance in combat.

[ZakeD]

I guess I could, but why would you want me too? I think your drawing of the Abydos is better than anything I could come up with. Very good/original design. And if I did It would pretty much be the same as what you did, though I would probably do different hull paneling stuff, because theres not really anything on yours I would want to change.