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    Originally posted by benjaminism
    Look, normal gunpowder fired shells cannot be fired in space. The chemistry would not work and neither would the physics. The vacuum would play havock with the hole set up.
    Look, you obviously don't know what you're talking about. They do definately work in space. What about the chemistry and physics does not work? You have nothing to back up your statement.

    Remember how I said that the bullets were manufacured on earth, that means that it was exposed to oxygen, and chances are some of that O2 got in. That little amount of O2 is enought to set off a reaction with the sulfur and other stuff in the gunpowder, which will release more O2 from the KNO3. Pay attention in school. Many things come in handy.

    Best Stargate quote:
    Sheppard: (yells to McKay) Canadian football is a joke! Celine Dion is overrated! Zelenka is smarter than you are!
    Green is your friend.

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      Ok now that thats over...

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        Yeah guys, this is about ships. Argue about their weapons in another thread.



        Prometheus-class starship

        -Designation: BC-303A
        -Type: Large hyperspace capable starship
        -Users: United States Air Force, Russian Space Force, Royal Air

        Force/Navy, People's Space Liberation Army (China)
        -Technology Base: Tau'ri/Asgard
        -Builders: Boeing/Lockheed Martin
        -Length: 200 meters
        -Beam: 90 meters
        -Draft: 70 meters
        -Displacement: 190,000 tons normal Earth gravity
        -Crew: 120
        -Powerplant: Two Mk. II Naquada reactors
        -Propulsion:
        Two x sublight ion drives
        Two x hyperspace window generators
        Four x Anti-gravity wave generators
        -Armament:
        12 x 660mm linear missile tubes (Six forward, six aft)
        4 x 660mm vertical launch missile tubes
        90+ missiles
        4 x 155mm rail guns x 3,000 rounds each
        8 x 40mm rail guns x 8,000 rounds each
        -Defenses:
        Asgard-designed shields and cloaking device
        Trinium-based armor plating (10 inches)
        -Additional Technology:
        Goa'uld Rings
        Asgard transporter
        Asgard sensors
        -Support Craft:
        2 x Tel'tacs
        8 x F-302 aerospace superiority fighters

        -Technical and Historical Notes-

        After the devastating Battle of P3Y-229, the International
        Oversight Committee immediately petitioned the United States
        government to release the technology needed to build starships
        to other nations. Despite the incredible danger of the Ori
        threat, the US government was still reluctant to give out
        military technology. So a compromise was arranged: In exchange
        for money and additional resources, the United States military
        would build other nations combat starships that they then could
        crew with American observers and assistants aboard. The Russians
        and British were not part of this arrangement, having earned the
        trust of the US to build and man their own starships.
        However, to construct the nessecary starships would require
        additional facilities to build them in-Facilities the United
        States had not finished. It was therefore decided to reactivate
        the Prometheus construction facility in Utah, in order to get as
        many ships as possible into the air. A few of the governments
        that were part of the Stargate Treaty were unhappy intially at
        getting what they perceived as out-of-date starships, but
        accepted it when given the alternative of having no starships at
        all until the new DSC-304 facilities were finished-At least one
        year away.

        With assistance from the Asgard, the United States built three
        new BC-303s to uprated specifications in a matter of months.
        Upgraded Asgard shielding, hyperdrives, and heavier armor
        protection increased the BC-303's survivability rating by an
        order of magnitude. The ship's smaller size and profile made it
        a more difficult target to hit than the DSC-304, and it's lower
        mass made it more agile. The biggest improvement to the vessels
        was the inclusion of a second Mk. II naquada reactor, intended
        to prevent the same crippling blow that destroyed the
        Prometheus herself.

        The three new BC-303s were split up among Russia, China and
        Britain, and were named the Potempkin, Jinghau,
        and Endeavor respectively. They joined the newest US
        DSC-304 Columbia, and a fourth BC-303, the Titan,
        operated by the US Air Force. The ships were finished just in
        time to defend Earth against an attack launched by Jaffa loyal
        to the Ori in late 2006, and were surprisingly effective at
        driving off the attacking force of nine Ha'taks. The
        BC-303As are being constructed at a furious rate to make up for
        the technological superiority of the Ori, and with their
        higher-calibre rail guns are being sought for deployment to the
        Pegasus galaxy to combat the Wraith. Their relative fast and
        easy construction is making them the prefered Earth ship of the
        line, and a true multi-national effort that is uniting the
        nations of Earth as few things have before.

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          my final nag, bullets are not air tight, if they were they wouldn't work, thus when the bullet is introduced into a vaccum the air would escape and the bullet would collapse on itself. Thus making the bullet unusable.
          If the bullet was surrounded by air and then fired into a vacuum after initial reaction then it would work.

          There is your physics and chemistry. I study them for my 6th form education third year aswell.

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            Again about ships if you want to fight about weapons make a new thread

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              Thats it, I'm starting a new thread. No more argueing until then.


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                So what does every one think of my new ship

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                  Originally posted by Aroura-Gate
                  Heres my new ship HEPHAESTUS

                  Here’s my Orbital and Deep Space Refit and Repair ship I need a good name for it so if any body can think of one that would be helpful

                  Crew: A crew big enough to build to ships engineers, workers, technicians and the materials to restock and rebuild the ships

                  Armor: Active Battle Armor system that polarizes the hull of the ship when in coming plasma blasts are detected.

                  Shielding: Standard Asgard shields from a 304

                  Sub light: 4 Standard Engines from a 304 and 5 small thruster

                  Hyper Drive: Standard Hyper Drive from a 304

                  Weapons: 12 large Rail guns, 24 vertical missile lunch tubes


                  Scanners: Asgard Sensor array 2 Advanced Search and Recovery arrays

                  Description: Large Square Plate like Ship big enough to dock with two human starships. 50 decks in total, 40 in between the refit bays to hold all supplies for refit and for on ship use, crew quarters are also located here. The other 10 decks are used in the bridge tower. The docking Clamps are 5 decks tall to ensure proper and secure docking. Weapons are not intended for offensive use, but to defend it’s self if it comes under fire, not made for a prolonged firefight so in order to avoid such a situation, the ship is to fire and open a hyper space window and jump through. This ship is the largest human starship ever made to allow for docking with every type of human made starship.
                  Umm, 50 decks? I don't think the Nimitz class carrier even has 50 decks. Just how do you build this thing in secret?


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                    Its got to hold a lot of parts, crew, food, weapons, and engeniers

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                      -Designation: Jaffa ubertak

                      -Type: Jaffa flagship


                      -Technology Base: goa'uld

                      -diameter: 1810 meters
                      -height: 960 meters

                      -Crew: 3000(standard) 6000(max)

                      -Powerplant: 4 ha'tak heavy generators

                      -Propulsion:
                      -goa'uld anti gravity field
                      -goa'uld hyper drive

                      -Armament:
                      - 6 standard ha'tak main canons(type 4 staff canons)
                      -24 smaller ha'tak weapons(type 3 staff canons)
                      -1 experimental type 5 staff canon(chargeable canon, on max power can fire once every 30 seconds with 7 times the force of a type 4 canon)

                      -Defenses:
                      -goa'uld shields atleast 5 times more powerful than a normal ha'tak
                      -10 meter of inert naquadah armour

                      -Additional Technology:
                      -standard on all goa'uld ships

                      -Support Craft:
                      4 x Tel'tacs
                      100 x death gliders
                      3 x alkesh

                      Since the FJN learned of the ori they have sought to build a new flagship able to combat them head on, their efforts have resulted in the jaffa ubertak the first newly designed ship after the fall of the goa'uld. Completed after the supergate battle the ubertak was rushed into battle against a single ori mothership on course for dakara flanked by 6 ha'taks the ubertak triumphed it's new canons dealling huge amounts of damage although one on one still no match for the ori warship. The battle cost the ship huge damage and 3 ha'taks were destoryed regardless it was seen as a stunning victory. The ubertak can withstand atleast 4 direct hits from the ori main canon although not without taking heavy damage.
                      Robert Jastrow (self-proclaimed agnostic): "For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance; he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries."

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                        Ladies and Gentlemen on the Original Ship design Thread. I am proud to unveil the design for the Battlecarrier class ship in the virtual fleet thread.
                        Please raise a glass or staff weapon which ever you prefer for the Prestige BC-312. (Also my first time properly trying to make a 3d model).

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                          Okay I'm posting a revamped version of an earlier rip-off I did. I will also be making my own picture this time so it might look more like I did some actual* work this time

                          *spelling?

                          Spoiler:
                          Spirit class Destroyer

                          ~Type: Small hyperspace capable warship

                          ~Technology Base: Tau'ri/Asgard/Goa’uld

                          ~Length: 120 meters

                          ~Beam: 54 meters

                          ~Draft: 38 meters

                          ~Decks: 9

                          ~Displacement: 18,497 tons (normal Earth gravity)

                          ~Construction: Trinium/titanium reinforced hull.

                          ~Crew: 48 (maximum capacity 250)

                          ~Powerplant: Three Mk.X naquada reactors, four enhanced energy buffers, scaled down Asgard Neutrino Ion Generator.

                          ~Propulsion:
                          Two hyperspace flash drives

                          Two ion-based sublight drives

                          Anti-gravity wave generators

                          ~Weapons:
                          10 x Mk. 67 horizontal “Wild Weasel” Launched Missile
                          Quad-Packs.

                          60 x Lancer plasma propulsion missiles

                          3 x twin-barrel heavy coil-guns

                          1x matter stream main linear beam cannon (takes thirty seconds
                          to charge in intense battle situations and half that under normal [i.e. non battle] conditions).

                          ~Defenses:
                          Asgard shields
                          Armor: Reactive hull plating with trinium/titanium reinforcement

                          ~Other technology:
                          Asgard transporter / sensor technology

                          ~Historical and Technical Notes

                          Designed and built by the Rogue NID faction known as “The Trust” it incorporates many weapons and design specs that the design team for the 301's, 302's, 303's, and 304's did not have access too. It was seized three days prior to its planned launch by sections of the Department for Home-world Defense as well as the NID. The technology that was gained by its discovery, while not a match for the Ori’s fleet, are a serious step in the right direction. It was deployed immediately due to the Tau’ri’s severe lack of ships during the crisis.

                          It’s commander is Lieutenant Colonel Marcie Jacobson, an experienced pilot and very well versed in three dimensional tactics (at least as far as earth commanders are). The Spirit has participated in numerous engagements with the minor threats our galaxy has but is planned to be mainly used in a support role for our deep space carriers.


                          (Please note, this is a knock-off of Andrew Joshua Talons first Abydos-class destroyer design and any additions made to it will belong to Daryl Froggy. Everything else is his...)

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                            Originally posted by Daryl Froggy
                            Okay I'm posting a revamped version of an earlier rip-off I did. I will also be making my own picture this time so it might look more like I did some actual* work this time

                            *spelling?

                            Spoiler:
                            Spirit class Destroyer

                            ~Type: Small hyperspace capable warship

                            ~Technology Base: Tau'ri/Asgard/Goa’uld

                            ~Length: 120 meters

                            ~Beam: 54 meters

                            ~Draft: 38 meters

                            ~Decks: 9

                            ~Displacement: 18,497 tons (normal Earth gravity)

                            ~Construction: Trinium/titanium reinforced hull.

                            ~Crew: 48 (maximum capacity 250)

                            ~Powerplant: Three Mk.X naquada reactors, four enhanced energy buffers, scaled down Asgard Neutrino Ion Generator.

                            ~Propulsion:
                            Two hyperspace flash drives

                            Two ion-based sublight drives

                            Anti-gravity wave generators

                            ~Weapons:
                            10 x Mk. 67 horizontal “Wild Weasel” Launched Missile
                            Quad-Packs.

                            60 x Lancer plasma propulsion missiles

                            3 x twin-barrel heavy coil-guns

                            1x matter stream main linear beam cannon (takes thirty seconds
                            to charge in intense battle situations and half that under normal [i.e. non battle] conditions).

                            ~Defenses:
                            Asgard shields
                            Armor: Reactive hull plating with trinium/titanium reinforcement

                            ~Other technology:
                            Asgard transporter / sensor technology

                            ~Historical and Technical Notes

                            Designed and built by the Rogue NID faction known as “The Trust” it incorporates many weapons and design specs that the design team for the 301's, 302's, 303's, and 304's did not have access too. It was seized three days prior to its planned launch by sections of the Department for Home-world Defense as well as the NID. The technology that was gained by its discovery, while not a match for the Ori’s fleet, are a serious step in the right direction. It was deployed immediately due to the Tau’ri’s severe lack of ships during the crisis.

                            It’s commander is Lieutenant Colonel Marcie Jacobson, an experienced pilot and very well versed in three dimensional tactics (at least as far as earth commanders are). The Spirit has participated in numerous engagements with the minor threats our galaxy has but is planned to be mainly used in a support role for our deep space carriers.


                            (Please note, this is a knock-off of Andrew Joshua Talons first Abydos-class destroyer design and any additions made to it will belong to Daryl Froggy. Everything else is his...)
                            Not a ripoff, man. I like to think of it as a variant of the Abydos.

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                              BS-345: Splinter battleship

                              ~Type: Large hyperspace warship

                              ~Technology Base: Tau'ri/Asgard

                              ~Length: 520 meters

                              ~width: 200 meters

                              ~height:70 meters

                              ~Decks: 13

                              ~Construction: Trinium/titanium reinforced hull.

                              ~Crew: 200 (maximum capacity 400)

                              ~Powerplant: 2 twin experimental naquadriah generators dubbed the mrk VI

                              ~Propulsion:
                              Asgard hyper drive

                              4 heavy tauri ion engines

                              Anti-gravity wave generators

                              ~Weapons:
                              40 x 5 meter barrel rail guns firing 12 inch explosive slugs(placed for full fire coverage)

                              12 x heavy anit ship coil guns capable of delivering 2 tonnes of explosive force per shot


                              6 x missile silos loaded with 10 mrk IIX nukes standard(4 positioned at the front 2 vertical launchers on the back)

                              ~Defenses:
                              Asgard shields
                              Armor: 5m inert naquadah armour

                              ~Surport
                              4 x hades gunship(page 51)
                              20 x F-302's

                              ~Other technology:
                              Asgard transporter / sensor technology
                              rings
                              Robert Jastrow (self-proclaimed agnostic): "For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance; he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries."

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                                This is the base for my new heavy cruiser idea. What do you people think?

                                Spoiler:
                                Charon

                                Type: Deep Space Heavy Cruiser

                                Technology Base: Goa'uld/ Earth/ Asgard

                                Crew:
                                201

                                Dimensions: (will change when needed to)
                                Length: 396m
                                Width: 89m
                                Height: 50m

                                Propulsion:
                                2x Earth Ion drives
                                3x Hyperspace flash–drives
                                Gravity wave generators

                                Weapons:
                                16x Pulse Guns (a particle weapon)

                                Defenses:
                                Trinium/titanium alloy outer hull and superstructure, ceramic polymer outer hull layer.
                                Asgard Energy shield

                                Ships of the Line:
                                Charon
                                (there are many more planned but whether or not they will be built is still being discussed)

                                Background:
                                The Charon was designed shortly after the Ori’s Assault on the Jaffa’s worlds began. The first ship took nearly a year to complete and by that time it was desperately needed to help hold the Ori’s advance into the Hebridian system. Unfortunately the mission to save the system failed and the Charon instead had to help the Odyssey ferry thousands of Hebridians to the alpha site for relocation. Several hundred of those survivors opted to stay behind at the alpha site and help Earth in its mission to defeat the Ori’s forces in this galaxy. Thanks to those Hebridians who stayed behind Earth’s understanding of technology advanced much faster than was possible before hand. Because of this several design changes were made to the next generation of Charon's including more powerful Pulse Guns and several hundred missiles(for these to be included the ships basic hull design had to be modified).

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