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**knowles2** · 31 October 2006, 04:07 PM

Alright stop bashing the fanwank design, just ignore them.

Right I been adding details to my ancient scout and attack vessel. It looking good, well at lease to me that is. Still a long way to go through.

**jds1982** · 31 October 2006, 04:46 PM

No those look amazing.

**thefather** · 31 October 2006, 11:10 PM

This isn't a ship, per se, but hey, 'ere we go!

Name: McKay Station

Type: Military & Civilian staging point for travel to Pegasus, also, first line of defense against Wraith incursion into the milky way

Technology base: Human, Go'auld, Asgard, Ancient

Operators: Human/Asgard/Jaffa

Naval Classification: Battle Station

Hull:Trinium/titanium alloy

Decks :27

Dimensions: 1km (dome to tail) 500m radius

Description: The Station is shaped not unlike a jellyfish. An elongated dome-like structure covers the most sensitive areas, such as engineering, the cores, storage areas, and also houses gate and sector operations. The tail encloses the crew and civilian quarters, labs, and recreational areas.

Crew: Permanent Civilian Staff: 35
Permanent Military Staff: 50 Marines, 25 Airforce 50 Jaffa
Maximum Personnel: 250

Craft: Carries a complement of 12 F-302's, and 4 jumpers

Power plant: 2 Carter-Lee Mk-2 Fusion generators

Engines: Station keeping ion drives only

Armament/Weapons: 55 medium bore rail-guns

Defences:
4th generation human-adapted asgard shields
Other Technology: asgard beams, go'auld rings

Technical and Historical Notes: Following the epic defeat of the Ori in the early parts of the 21st century, the peoples of the Milky Way experienced a brief period of peace. However, the Incursion of 2014 cast a shadow over the galaxy. A Wraith hive-ship had transversed the intergalactic void, and had laid waste to four jaffa worlds. It was later determined by a scout team from Atlantis, led by Col. John Sheppard, that the wraith had located a mostly destroyed Ancient cruiser, and had been able to both adapt and develop a crude form of intergalactic hyperdrive.

In light of this new threat, a second great alliance was formed. Jaffa, Humans, and Asgard took to defending the galactic border from any further attacks, but the war was just beginning. In 2016, thirty five wraith darts on a ballistic course from the deep reaches of the atlantis system successfully entered the atmosphere undetected. Showing some ingenuity of their own, the Wraith re-materialized over three hundred wraith troopers into the city. Intense in-city fighting ensued. In the second phase of their plan, two wraith hiveships hyperspaced in, using their new upgraded drives, reaching atlantis with less than two days warning. Atlantis, still in control of their primary systems, engaged the shield, but it was only a stopgap measure. Their ZPM was near full entropy. Help arrived in four days, in the form of the Alliance Battleships General George Hammond, Da'Kara, and Poseidon. They drove off the two hive ships, and delivered sufficient support to clean the city of any hiding wraith, but ultimately, they were too late.

A wraith strike team had penetrated Atlantis Operations, and had stolen key intelligence. Among the intelligence was the design for the Carter-McKay intergalactic bridge, and Dr. McKay's program for successive dialing.

Acknowledging wraith ingenuity, the military minds of the Alliance immediately set about increasing the fortifications around the gate bridge hub. Codenamed Point Zero, but known to its inhabitants as McKay Station, the newly commissioned station served both as a staging point for operations in the galactic void, but also as a layover point for personnel transfers between galaxies.

McKay Station has only been tested once. In 2020, following the destruction of no less than four wraith hive-ships, in cunning plan by the newly promoted Brig. Gen. John Sheppard, the wraith responded against the gate bridge. Through unknown means, they deactivated the defensive shield around the gate, and attacked the station with seventy five wraith darts, all of which came through the gate. This coincided with an assault on Atlantis. The station scrambled all of its fighters, and although twenty-three civilians and every fighter pilot lost their lives, the station was held secure, allowing the battleship fleet to go to the aid of Atlantis.

With a sensor net and patrol grid set up and maintained by a fleet of retrofitted Ha'tak vessels, Point Zero sitting on top of of the gate bridge junction, and 4 brand new Perseus-class battleships on standby, the Milky Way galaxy is now more secure than ever before. The question still remains, however, how will the Milky Way Alliance defeat an enemy that toppled the Ancients at the height of their power?

**fallen_arbiter** · 01 November 2006, 07:55 AM

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**Buba uognarf** · 01 November 2006, 08:09 AM

Originally posted by fallen_arbiter View Post

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Originally posted by thefather View Post

This isn't a ship, per se, but hey, 'ere we go!

Name: McKay Station

Type: Military & Civilian staging point for travel to Pegasus, also, first line of defense against Wraith incursion into the milky way

Technology base: Human, Go'auld, Asgard, Ancient

Operators: Human/Asgard/Jaffa

Naval Classification: Battle Station

Hull:Trinium/titanium alloy

Decks :27

Dimensions: 1km (dome to tail) 500m radius

Description: The Station is shaped not unlike a jellyfish. An elongated dome-like structure covers the most sensitive areas, such as engineering, the cores, storage areas, and also houses gate and sector operations. The tail encloses the crew and civilian quarters, labs, and recreational areas.

Crew: Permanent Civilian Staff: 35
Permanent Military Staff: 50 Marines, 25 Airforce 50 Jaffa
Maximum Personnel: 250

Craft: Carries a complement of 12 F-302's, and 4 jumpers

Power plant: 2 Carter-Lee Mk-2 Fusion generators

Engines: Station keeping ion drives only

Armament/Weapons: 55 medium bore rail-guns

Defences:
4th generation human-adapted asgard shields
Other Technology: asgard beams, go'auld rings

Technical and Historical Notes: Following the epic defeat of the Ori in the early parts of the 21st century, the peoples of the Milky Way experienced a brief period of peace. However, the Incursion of 2014 cast a shadow over the galaxy. A Wraith hive-ship had transversed the intergalactic void, and had laid waste to four jaffa worlds. It was later determined by a scout team from Atlantis, led by Col. John Sheppard, that the wraith had located a mostly destroyed Ancient cruiser, and had been able to both adapt and develop a crude form of intergalactic hyperdrive.

In light of this new threat, a second great alliance was formed. Jaffa, Humans, and Asgard took to defending the galactic border from any further attacks, but the war was just beginning. In 2016, thirty five wraith darts on a ballistic course from the deep reaches of the atlantis system successfully entered the atmosphere undetected. Showing some ingenuity of their own, the Wraith re-materialized over three hundred wraith troopers into the city. Intense in-city fighting ensued. In the second phase of their plan, two wraith hiveships hyperspaced in, using their new upgraded drives, reaching atlantis with less than two days warning. Atlantis, still in control of their primary systems, engaged the shield, but it was only a stopgap measure. Their ZPM was near full entropy. Help arrived in four days, in the form of the Alliance Battleships General George Hammond, Da'Kara, and Poseidon. They drove off the two hive ships, and delivered sufficient support to clean the city of any hiding wraith, but ultimately, they were too late.

A wraith strike team had penetrated Atlantis Operations, and had stolen key intelligence. Among the intelligence was the design for the Carter-McKay intergalactic bridge, and Dr. McKay's program for successive dialing.

Acknowledging wraith ingenuity, the military minds of the Alliance immediately set about increasing the fortifications around the gate bridge hub. Codenamed Point Zero, but known to its inhabitants as McKay Station, the newly commissioned station served both as a staging point for operations in the galactic void, but also as a layover point for personnel transfers between galaxies.

McKay Station has only been tested once. In 2020, following the destruction of no less than four wraith hive-ships, in cunning plan by the newly promoted Brig. Gen. John Sheppard, the wraith responded against the gate bridge. Through unknown means, they deactivated the defensive shield around the gate, and attacked the station with seventy five wraith darts, all of which came through the gate. This coincided with an assault on Atlantis. The station scrambled all of its fighters, and although twenty-three civilians and every fighter pilot lost their lives, the station was held secure, allowing the battleship fleet to go to the aid of Atlantis.

With a sensor net and patrol grid set up and maintained by a fleet of retrofitted Ha'tak vessels, Point Zero sitting on top of of the gate bridge junction, and 4 brand new Perseus-class battleships on standby, the Milky Way galaxy is now more secure than ever before. The question still remains, however, how will the Milky Way Alliance defeat an enemy that toppled the Ancients at the height of their power?

Originally posted by knowles2 View Post

Alright stop bashing the fanwank design, just ignore them.

Right I been adding details to my ancient scout and attack vessel. It looking good, well at lease to me that is. Still a long way to go through.

Ok they're all great designs,

knowles2 - your ships look amazing well done you've deffinately got talent

thefather - nice station and history it fits in well with established canon

fallen_arbiter - much better, sorry for having a go earlier but i think your ship is much more realistic now

i didn't think it was fair to comment on just one thing

**fallen_arbiter** · 01 November 2006, 02:10 PM

Second draft of my ship Videum

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**An-Alteran** · 01 November 2006, 04:20 PM

Originally posted by fallen_arbiter View Post

This is also sadly Fanwank, it is just a scaled down version of your previous ship, still to powerful for its size. Nice idea but still fanwank.

How is it too powerful for its size... a Puddle Jumper dostoyed a Hat'tak... I mean... yeah.

And it is not a scaled down version. Its designed after similar style and tech, but it is otherwise totally different.

Originally posted by immhotep View Post

That! is what is fanwank..The Orii built their ships using unlimited resrouces and technological knowledge, probley scavenged from accross the entire universe, from sources far beyond what our small galactic cluster even has. If their was more advanced technology than the Ori then they clearly havent looked hard enough. To consider a ship more powerful than ships essentially built by God's is absurd.

The Orii did not build their ships in the way you said. The energy cannons take two shots to destroy a Asgard shielded Daedalus Class.
Wraith ships can do the same in about a minute.
The Wraith would not have been able to take down Atlantis' shield for sevearl days.

So if one minute of a single wraith ship's fire is equal to about one blast from an Orii ship, it would take far over a thousand shots to take down Atlantis' shield. And that is being generous.
Put that in perspective for you?

Let me attack the principle of your ideas now:
The Orii don't know everything. Ascended beings are temporal. They are spatial. They exist in a specific space at a specific time.
We see this every time we encounter one.
It was said in the show that being Ascended doesn't make you all-knowing. You need to learn while you are ascended.
Being ascended just makes it much easier.

The Orii don't know everything.
Things can be hiden from Ascended beings, Merlin's dimensional device proved that.

The Ascended Ancients shielded Ancient tech(being in the milky way) from Orii knowledge.
Id the Orii knew about Pegasus, they probably would have invaded it by now.
So the Orii are not aware of that Ancient tech either.
Thus: Alteran tech did not effect Orii knowledge.
Thus: Your entire point is wrong.
Further: These Ancients in my story essentially devoted themselves to non-Ascended technological improvement. The Orii just started designing and making ships, very well I might add.

Here is your own deffinition of Fanwank:

Fanwank
This is a derogatory term that has a clear and distinct definition within our little realm and is actually a term I think we all coined because it’s used nowhere else. If your ship is called fanwank then it’s for a reason and you should listen and evaluate your ship as to why.
What is fanwank you ask? It describes a ship that uses or portrays something that it’s completely over the top in every way, something that is inexplicable or unnecessary, overkill, way beyond the requirements or technical ability of the creators or the ship.Examples of fanwank can be found all over this section, common fanwanking features are ZPM's as power sources, ancient weapons and shields, all in horrendous numbers and megalithic sizes.

Lets see:
My City Ship made by Ancients who dedicated themselves to technological developement has three improved ZPMs. Atlantis, a much smaller city ship, had three ZPMs.
The Main Ship is armed with quite a few anti-fighter anti-ship pulse cannons.
That combined are really effective.
The ships has eight Sattelite style Energy beam cannons. No more than four can fire in any direction.
They can take out one ship per shot.
They have a large number of Drones. Atlantis has large numbers of Drones also. This Ancient City ship is far larger than Atlantis.
How is it Fanwank?

Now here are a few details that I believe are what devide our views:
I believe the Orii are far less powerful than you do.
I believe Ancient Drones are unaffected by Orii shields (this is where most of the power of my ships comes from against Orii ships. PS: The ships all run out of Drones in my story.)
I believe old Lantean Ancient Satellite weapons could destroy an Orii ship already with a few shots.

So keep that in mind when reading what I posted.

**An-Alteran** · 01 November 2006, 04:55 PM

Originally posted by fallen_arbiter View Post

Second draft of my ship Videum

Newly Updated Ship Videum

Spoiler:

Really nice ship.
Unfortunately for my creativity it uses a version of an idea that I was going to use on my third of five ships.

Good for you.

**hotshotalpha1** · 02 November 2006, 08:21 AM

Here are the specs for my new Battlecruiser I mentioned a few weeks ago.

Designation – Heavy Hyperspace capable Battlecruiser
Class name – Dauntless
Technology bass – Terran/ Asgard
Date of the First of the class commissioned - 2018

Length – 703m
Beam (Main Hull) – 130m
Beam (weapon outriggers/ engine pods) – 300m
Height (MMP attachment) - 63m
Height (main hull) – 100m
Height (Island) – 175m
Height ( weapons pod )- 60m

Minimum Crew – 57
Maximum Crew – 1000
Standard Crew complement – 430
Embarked Special Forces – between 20 and 100*
Decks – 34 (2.5 m tall)

Power-plants – 3 mark 2 naquida reactors for propulsion
1 mark 2 naquida reactors in MMP
Propulsion – 4 main heavy thrusters on the rear of the hull
6 smaller manoeuvring thrusters on rear side of weapon outriggers
18 emergency mass reactive thrusters, 6 on the nose, 3 dorsal mid, 3 ventral mid, 6 rear

Defensives – Asgard built shields
Between 10 and 60 cm of titanium/carbon/naquida armour
Kevlar splash damage armour

Other technology – 2 sets of rings, Asgard transporter, etc

Weapons- Offensive
Heavy Rail gun batteries –
A battery dorsal fore, 2 X 3 gun turrets with 250mm/10inch railguns
B battery dorsal stern 1 X 3 gun turret with 250mm/10 inch railguns

Medium railgun batteries – Dorsal
1 battery, port fore, 2 X 1 gun turrets with 125mm/5 inch railguns
2 battery, starboard fore, 2 X 1 gun turrets with 125mm/5 inch railguns
3 battery, weapon outrigger port, 4 X 2 gun turrets with 125mm/5 inch railguns
4 battery, weapon outrigger starboard, 4 X 2 gun turrets with 125mm/5 inch railguns

Medium railgun batteries – Ventral
5 battery, nose, 2 X 1 gun turrets with 125mm/5 inch railguns
6 battery, weapon outrigger port, 4 X 2 gun turrets with 125mm/5 inch railguns
7 battery, weapon outrigger starboard, 4 X 2 gun turrets with 125mm/5 inch railguns

Heavy missile batteries – Dorsal (in single columns flanking the HRG batteries)
1 X 30 missile launch tubes for longbow missiles, port
1 X 30 missile launch tubes for longbow missiles, starboard

Weapons – Defensive
Light railgun batteries -
Zone ND, (Nose dorsal), 6 single barrelled 35mm railguns
Zone NV, (nose ventral), 3 single barrelled 35mm railguns
Zone PD/V, (Port dorsal ventral), 9 single barrelled 35mm railguns
Zone SD/V, (Starboard dorsal ventral), 9 single barrelled 35mm railguns
Island, 12 single barrelled railguns
Tail ventral, 3 single barrelled 35mm railguns

Medium missile batteries –
Port weapon outrigger, dorsal, 3X 16 tube launcher for Sabre missiles
Port weapon outrigger, ventral, 3X 16 tube launcher for Sabre missiles
Starboard weapon outrigger, dorsal, 3X 16 tube launcher for Sabre missiles
Starboard weapon outrigger, ventral, 3X 16 tube launcher for Sabre missiles

Modular mission pod – This pod is attached to the underside of the ship below A battery. The Pod fits in between the nose and start of the weapon outriggers. It has its own life support, crew accommodation, armoury, and command centre (used as a back up to the main bridge) . It is attached to the ship by 12 magnetic locks.

There are three types of MMP in use:

Weapons pod –basically the Dorsal for armament replicated, consists of:
X battery dorsal fore, 2 X 3 gun turrets with 250mm/10inch railguns
2 X30 missile launch tubes for longbow missile

Flight pod – Hanger bay for 48 F-302s, 12 A-302s, 7 Valkire transports, with space for maintenance , machine shops, bomb farms ,etc

Ground assault pod – Barracks for 400 marines, vehicle deck for up to 150 vehicles (depends on type), flight deck for 10 Gould Cargo ships, 26 Valkire transports, 10 fighters.

Each MMP has the same dimensions and basic weapons:
Length - 250m
Height – 50m
Beam – 100m

Weapons - 6 X 35 mm railguns

Key for weapons
Longbow missile – 5 m by 1m, carries 250 megaton naquida enhanced warhead. Propelled by gas until a safe distance away from ship , then main engine ignites. Used in salvo as an Anti-ship missile but can be used singly to take out massed fighter groups. Typically 180 carried in ship, 150 in MMP

Sabre missile - 1.5m by 300mm, carries 500 Kg High explosive warhead or 50 kiloton nuclear warhead. Used as anti – fighter missile, can be used as Anti ship if launched En-mass. Typically 580 carried.

35 mm (150rpm per barrel) and 125 mm (90 rpm per barrel) railguns can fire solid shot or ‘flak’ shot for Taking down fighters.A flak round explods into 100 smaller hypervelocity slivers or flechets when either, A) the targeting computer detonates all shells to for a wall of shrapnell a set distance from the ship , or B) via proximity fuse.
250 mm railguns fire solid or Naquida/potassium shells a 30 rpm per barrel

History.
The dauntless class was built to act as the new heavy battlecruiser for the newly founded Terran space corps (TSC).Designed to be adaptable to new situations , the designer made the ship able to receive a number of different pods, each used for specific mission . This allowed the ship to act as a carrier, assault cruiser or battleship whenever the situation called for. This got rid of the need for 3 different type’s ship. The Dauntless could do it all. The pod also allowed new weapons to be fitted to the ship without the need for a major refit.
Construction was started in 2012, before some of the weapon systems were even tested (or indeed designed).The Captain of the first ship, the Dauntless , was Colonel Marks , helm officer of the Prometheus ,Odyssey and captain of the cruiser Vengeance.
The ship was deemed ready for active service on January 18 2018.It was placed under the command of Brig. General Cameron Michell, who used the ship as the Flag for his 1st Heavy squadron.
The Dauntless completed here shakedown trials with no major problems, except some minor troubles with the clamps that held the MMP in place. The ship has a record of 2 confirmed Hive ship, numerous darts, 1 Ori cruiser, and 32 confirmed Ori fighter kills. Here sister ship the Courageous, was launched 2 years after the Dauntless. The 2 ships have 5 MMP’s avaiable between them.

However due to the massive amount of weapons on the ships , each is usually accompined by a dedicated ammo supply ship , usually a ASIS( hope you don't mind me using it)

**immhotep** · 02 November 2006, 08:42 AM

I really like it HSA1. The MMP is a realyl interesting concept, im intrigued as to what the "Island" is. If you have an Image or want to make a model itd be really cool.
Also if you need troop transports (i see you have valkyrie) but you can use my ATS. Really gd ship, not fanwank, and just a really cool ship

**fallen_arbiter** · 02 November 2006, 11:23 AM

Ok here is the start of a new ship, i want a quick scan from people, and comments to make sure it is ok so far. Especially the idea of the hull and main ship.

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**immhotep** · 02 November 2006, 11:31 AM

Defintly good, i think having the Mechanical healing hull could work if you used the Idea or Nanites, remember that nanites have biologically kept things ticking for along time in the SGU, even as far back as S1. If you continue along the thread that the Asurians evolved at a point when the Lantians were doing a great deal of micro-technological research. Now while the nanites which resulted in the Asurians wer hostile and could evolve, these nanites were taught to adapt and replicate to fill only the required dimensions of the particular class of ship they were station on. Essentially the entire ship was covered in a layer of nanite cells and just like when you shoot a HFR they assimilate back in to thier origional form (by recovering themselves with the outer layer and replicating to fill any damage) the ship also does the same thing, whatever indentations are made in battle are plugged and eventually the nanites mimic the material that the origional ship was made of.
That would be a good basis for a hull, in fact i patent it and wil lbe using it at somepoint im sure

**fallen_arbiter** · 02 November 2006, 11:36 AM

Originally posted by immhotep View Post

Defintly good, i think having the Mechanical healing hull could work if you used the Idea or Nanites, remember that nanites have biologically kept things ticking for along time in the SGU, even as far back as S1. If you continue along the thread that the Asurians evolved at a point when the Lantians were doing a great deal of micro-technological research. Now while the nanites which resulted in the Asurians wer hostile and could evolve, these nanites were taught to adapt and replicate to fill only the required dimensions of the particular class of ship they were station on. Essentially the entire ship was covered in a layer of nanite cells and just like when you shoot a HFR they assimilate back in to thier origional form (by recovering themselves with the outer layer and replicating to fill any damage) the ship also does the same thing, whatever indentations are made in battle are plugged and eventually the nanites mimic the material that the origional ship was made of.
That would be a good basis for a hull, in fact i patent it and wil lbe using it at somepoint im sure

Ok nanites it is then. Thanks for the help.

**immhotep** · 02 November 2006, 11:50 AM

Theoretically if Mkcay got hold of the base code of the Asurians we could eventually reprogram them to do the same thing, all wed need to do is recreated the nanites they are based on with the editing programming. Weve been studying nanites in the stargate universe so long im surprised this hasnt been developed in some form anyway. i bet the Asgard use soem form of nanite repair to fit thier ships, at the very least robots, i cant see a engineer Asgard anywhere..even if the asgard city had what seemed thousands of engineering type facilities around the 90% finished oniel.

**Zeus** · 02 November 2006, 12:13 PM

Ok iv been mulling this over for a while and whilst I have my one design I want to design anouther now this may be a bit to way out there butI was thinking of an earth vessel some 500 to 600 years from now. Ordo you guys have rules on this? Oh aswell who is really good a modeling or at least getting curvs going?

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