Original Starship Design Thread

[immhotep]

thanks alot...as immhotep said we could effectivly create battle scenes now, if we had the wraith ships that is

next on list but sketchup would be a ***** to get organic models from!

[Buba uognarf]

check out my new models on sketch up

rail gun http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehou...e8315a03b465bd

daedalus class http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehou...03b82e8efe2c0a


the daedalus took an obscene amount of time, feel free to edit it as it could be improved on the exteriror.

i'm currently working on a aurora class to similar standards if u want to help out here is an older model

http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehou...89c5a1529a69c3

cheers

they're amazing i can tell you've spent ages ....with the ha'tak model i can now finish my ubertak model to scale with other ha'taks

[rosstaylor]

pretty much 24 hours since friday night

[immhotep]

wow ross, your a great modeller, and Zake is just awesome, sketchup has done wonders for the modellers within!

[ZakeD]

This is gonna sound mean but I seriously doubt you made that Daedalus. I don't see how someone goes from barely being able to make the basic hull of the Aurora and models that are like..barely over 1000 faces, to making an extremely complex model of the Daedalus whose doors look like they were taken directly off of my Columbia in three days. I mean, you can't even place guns correctly, yet you can do this? Sorry if I sound mean, but I'm just calling it like I see it.

[david3565]

I'm new here and I found this thread interesting. I've been skimming it a while so I thought I would throw in my two cents with a ship design of my own. I hope no one minds, but I cribbed the outline format from Andrew Joshua Talon.

~Archangel class planetary defense ship~

~Type: Small hyperspace-capable starship; based around the Al'kesh
~Designation: X-401
~Users: United States Air Force, Royal Air Force, Russian Space Service, People's Liberation Army Air Force
~Builder: Northrop Grumman/Newport News/Soyuz Fleet Systems
~Technology Base: Tau'ri/Asgard/Ga'ould/Wraith/Ancient
~Naval Classification: Fighter
~Dimensions:
Standard Al'kesh Dimensions
~Displacement: ?
~Capacity:
-Officers: 2
-Enlisted: 14
-Maximum: 45
~Powerplant:
-Standard Al'kesh powerplant
-Mk. II Naquadah reactor (powers the Talon cannon; can act as redundant powerplant)
~Propulsion:
-Standard Al'kesh sub-light inertial drive
-Asgard/Area 51 hyperspace window generator
~Performance:
-Maximum Acceleration: 59.72 PSL
-Maximum Hyperspace Velocity: 611 lightyears/hour
-Maximum Hyperspace Endurance: 94 hours/top speed
-Hyperspace Generator Recharge Rate: 2.1 minutes between jumps
~Ship Systems:
-Computer: Wraith bio-hybrid computer system; Standard Al'kesh Crystalline-based computers; AEGIS Networking System
-Life Support: Standard Al'kesh Life Support
-Sensors: Standard Al'kesh Sensors
-Navigation: Stargate Network Common Coordinate Alignment Datalink
-Communications: Standard Ga'ould/Jaffa subspace communication systems
~Armament:
-Two liquid naqahdah-powered staff cannons (standard)
-One Mk. I Talon cannon*
~Defenses:
-Asgard Shields
-Naqahdah-alloy armor (standard)
-Sodan Cloaking Device
~Units:
X-401-01 - USS Raphael (Active)
X-401-02 - USS Ariel (Active)
X-401-03 - USS Azrael (Active)
X-401-04 - USS Metatron (Active)
X-401-05 - HMS Raguel (Active)
X-401-06 - HMS Sandalphon (Active)
X-401-07 - HMS Zadkiel (Under Construction)
X-401-08 - RFS Chamuel (Under Construction)

Technical and Historical Notes:

With the recent outbreak of war between the Lucian Alliance and Earth, the near-loss of the Prometheus, and the expulsion of the Atlantis expedition by returning Ancients, a growing concern developed among the governments participating in the Stargate program about the relatively thin measures for Earth's defense. Fearing the potential loss of the Antarctica outpost--Earth's last means of defense against full scale invasion--a joint program was set in to motion to create a stop-gap.

The principal requirements were that this new platform be able to defend against capital ships--specifically Ha'tak-class--and that it could be built quickly in relatively substantial numbers. Hearkening back to the original X-301 project, designers settled on adapting an existing platform, the medium-range Al'kesh bomber, which possessed impressive maneuverability, and more importantly, was being fazed out of many of the Free Jaffa Nation's front line fleets, making a supply of ships available at a cheap cost.

The Archangel class vessels retain Ga'ould-based "bare essentials"; sensors, communications, and life support, but makes the "standard" replacement of its shields and engines with Asgard-based systems, as well as Wraith bio-hybrid technology (mainly harvested from Wraith darts) for many of its primary computers and power systems, giving it the ability to literally heal from damage (the Ga'ould based systems are reconfigured as backups).

The most notable change is the replacement of the Al'kesh's surface bombardment weapon with a so-called Talon cannon, a recent product of a reverse-engineering of the satellite defense weapon used by the Rand Protectorate (from detailed plans supplied by the Caledonian Federation to SG-1), giving it the ability to penetrate the shields of even Asgard ships. Yet the cannon is relatively slow to fire, so the design retains the Al'kesh's staff cannons for defense.

An Archangel is meant to operate in squadrons of four against single motherships, breaking down in to formations of two when required. It is supposed that a single Archangel could take out a Ha'tak class vessel, but training training exercises and simulations have shown such tactics to result in unsustainable losses.

*Renamed from Ethon

[ZakeD]

Woah..I like killed this thread.

Anyway, here's teh Hatak. http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehou...36dc03dd361504

[immhotep]

david: the ethon canon is the only thing wrong with that ship, if you changed the goauld energy bomb's to gate buster nukes then you wouldnt need the OTT fanwank rand protectorate satalite, i like the ship though, i think theres is alot of potential
And ZakeD, yes you did kill the thread, but ive been suspect of doing that quite a few times ill be releasing my guide soon k it will be in two posts though cos i went over the limit :@

[rosstaylor]

This is gonna sound mean but I seriously doubt you made that Daedalus. I don't see how someone goes from barely being able to make the basic hull of the Aurora and models that are like..barely over 1000 faces, to making an extremely complex model of the Daedalus whose doors look like they were taken directly off of my Columbia in three days. I mean, you can't even place guns correctly, yet you can do this? Sorry if I sound mean, but I'm just calling it like I see it.

1. if i didn't make that deadalus on sketch up, where did i get it from, as there is othing that good in the warehouse
2. i offered up the aurora base bit cos i havent been bothered to carry on.

3.after over 10 hours i cannot not be bothered to put my rail guns on properly.

4.i did look at other peoples models for bits, as inspiration, but the design is based completely on pics of the sicfi world.net
5. how could i take the doors off your columbia it is not in the warehouse and i cannot get a pic big enough to see your doors
6.if you look at my other designs i'm not as poor as some people who have posted pics

7.anyone with enough time could do what i did.
if you want i can post a more basic model too, or possibly the components, bridge, sub light engines etc

personally its not has good as would like anyway, the bottom is that good, it missing the more finer detalis that i set out to capture but realised it looked s h it like that

by the way nice hatak, could do with a better texture on the black part

[jds1982]

david: the ethon canon is the only thing wrong with that ship, if you changed the goauld energy bomb's to gate buster nukes then you wouldnt need the OTT fanwank rand protectorate satalite, i like the ship though, i think theres is alot of potential
And ZakeD, yes you did kill the thread, but ive been suspect of doing that quite a few times ill be releasing my guide soon k it will be in two posts though cos i went over the limit :@

Why is the Ethon cannon fanwank, besides actually being called an Ethon cannon? He did make the point, which is true, that Earth was given the technical specs of that weapon. If the Rand could build it, there's no reason Earth couldn't do the same, and make a smaller version. Small enough to fit on an Al'kesh, maybe not, but who knows. It may indeed be a bit over the top, but I wouldn't say that's necesarily fanwank, at least it's not powered by 60 ZPM's.

After looking at the ship scaling sprite page (not sure how accurate that is), the Ethon satallite weapon portion only looks to be about twice the size of an Al'kesh, so if it could be minaturized, really minaturized, it could possibly fit on one, especially if most of the ship is gun. You most definitely wouldn't be able to fit 61 people on that thing, and I see no reason you'd need 16 crewmen in the first place.

[Buba uognarf]

Why is the Ethon cannon fanwank, besides actually being called an Ethon cannon? He did make the point, which is true, that Earth was given the technical specs of that weapon. If the Rand could build it, there's no reason Earth couldn't do the same, and make a smaller version. Small enough to fit on an Alkesh, maybe not, but who knows. It may indeed be a bit over the top, but I wouldn't say that's necesarily fanwank, at least it's not powered by 60 ZPM's.

the ethon canon is fanwank, it was built with guidence from a prior in stages the plans we had are incomplete and we probably don't understand half of it anyway...

[immhotep]

Any ori technology that is reverse engineered for our own purposes on any ship in this thread is fanwank, pure and simple. We have niether the knowledge, technical ability or resources to even attempt it. I see it quite simply, we have had access to full plans, specs adn the construction facilities of Goauld MS's for over a decade and we havent even got their weapons, and they, compared to the Ori technology is like comparing a Go-cart track to the M25 in terms of what scale we are talking about. The ethon satalite is way beyond us, and was way beyond the rand. just because they put the screws and bolts together and gave us the plans doesnt mean we can reverse engineer any of it.

PS my guide is complete im waiting for my moment, only 66 posts to go !

[david3565]

I'm going to have to disagree, immhotep and Buba uognarf. The satelite design supplied by the Ori was specifically tailored to the Rand Protectorate's technology base, allowing them to build, maintain, and repair the weapon. Much of the satelite was built with Rand's own technology, not just "screws and bolts." So, the satelite is not completely Ori technology.

And remember, Carter commented on how crude the design was, going so far as to speculate that the Ori may have crippled the design with intentional flaws, or it is all that Rand was capable of, from which it can be inferred that we have the technology to actually make improvements in the design (like miniturization). This is different than when Carter analyzed the Tollan ion cannon and came to the conclusion that it was too advanced to be reverse-engineered.

As to the size, well, if powered directly by a Mk. II naquadah reactor, you eliminate the capacitor banks (or most of them) of the Rand satelite, which probably took up most of the design. Second, as I mentioned above, much of the design can probably be miniaturized. Still, it is going to be to single largest weapon on the ship, hence the removal of the surface bombardment weapon. Oh, and 45 is the maximum crew complement, if you want to shove a bunch of people on board, where as 16 is the standard complement, assuming additional crew might be needed to maintain the cannon.

P.S. - I renamed the cannon Talon in the design post, which maintains the Ethon reference, but sounds a little more plausible.

[david3565]

To Add: Thanks for the kind words, though, immhotep. The problem that I find with gate-buster nukes is that they take up too much room, which leaves too few shots, and while matter transporters could be used to deliver them, countermeasures are readily available to negate that means of deployment.

[immhotep]

That being said, even a Ori technology on the rands level still is beyond us, not only in size but also in technology, we dont know what powered the device or what technology it has behind it. Wed be better off trying to reverse engineer the hataks or hive canons.
also the 'talon canon' was much larger than the promethius, i dont think we can miniturize it to fit an alkesh. seeing as the promethius was much larger than an alkesh... wed can to shrink hollywood style to get any weapon. Its just implausable, just replace the talon canon with a gatebuster deployment system and you have a brilliant bomber craft. Why do people insist on putting something 'extra' on our ships..?!

edit:
the gatebusters would take up much less soon than any other weapon system, esspecialy the talon canon.