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  • Platschu
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    I always wanted to hear more biology related issues in Stargate. Maybe one of the new hero should be a professional on this science field. Has the Ancients / Nox / Asgard / Furlings brought any animals and plants to other planet from earth? When? How did the local food chain develope and settle around the stargate? Are there herbivores and carnivores? Have they adapted to the local planet (seasons, rotation speed, sun type, athmosphere climate). How have the Ancients created life? Were there "original" lifeforms on planets or have the seeding ships skipped those planets to avoid contamination? Have the Ancients preferred the pine trees? Were planets transformed artifically? Did they use time accelaration? Were there any attempts to rescue animals from other eras of Earth? Can we meet for example giant mammals from the Ice Age or even dinosaurs from previos eras if the Ancients were active for millions of years ago? What was the Nox reaction to this rapid evolution and extinction? etc. So many stories could be told just about evolution...

    They could make a classification of planets :
    - uninhabitable planets
    - planets without stargate with local alien flora and fauna (isolated worlds)
    - planets with stargate with local alien flora and fauna (non isolated worlds)
    - planets with stargate with local alien flora and fauna (isolated worlds - like the Nox hided them in transphase)
    - planets with stargate with Earth based flora and faun (terraformed worlds)
    - planets with stargate with mixed alien and Earth nased flora and worlds (competitive hostile worlds)
    - planets with stargate with mixed alien and Earth nased flora and worlds (competitive adapted worlds)

    etc.

    Then even they could play with such things
    - whether the Earth base flora and fauna are from which era of Earth
    - whether there are artifically engineered races
    - whether the two different evolutionary way create a new common third one (like alien animal adapt to the Earth based plants or the other way)
    - were there life supporting energy shields or domes around the stargate and how they expanded them to the whole planets etc.

    Such little things could explain why the pine trees were the dominant forests on most of the planets. If they could introduce new gate systems in new galaxies in future spinoffs then we could even separete these storylines. I really would like to see some alien landacapes as there are so many interesting form of plants or rocks on Earth : succulents, coralls, mushrooms or even chyrstals. They could create such visually stunning things as the technology reached this level. A standing picture won't be enough for the next generation, so I really would like to see more convincing storytelling and lore expansion how the stargates influenced the sprearing of life.

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    I mean SG-1 was dealing with mythology based races, Atlantis was mainly focused on technology, the Universe was about exploration and character drama. A new spinoff should have at least 4-6 new main characters. So if one of them could get this science field then his or her storylines could be focused on it. I am a pharmacist, but I am interested in history, geography, nature, genetics, evolution, adaptation etc. I have so much spinoff and story ideas, but I am not a writer so that is theirs job to find out something new and original. I strongly believe that one of the future spinoff should return to the basic gate related scenarios and this is the reason you can expnd the lore even via biology related storylines.

    There are so many extremely rare and unique lifeform on Earth which could be used in a scifi show. I don't expect a David Attenborough type documentaries, but I was thinking they could make an interactive, slightly educational Stargate spinoff where they would place some links at the end of the episode guidelines (like what science subjects or animals or plants were used etc.). It would create a new and original way of learning.

    Just have a look at these... Wow. So even these will be enough a new galaxy where the succulents would be dominant :
    http://www.successlifelounge.com/108...-alien-planet/

    Or there could be some planets or an even an other galaxy where the fungal species are dominant :
    https://www.thephotoargus.com/weird-...ungi-pictures/

    Or there could be underwater coral worlds with stargates or shiny chrystals etc. Only the imagination is normally the limit, but thes are even existing animals and plants. So imagine what if the WWF could sponsor the next Stargate instead of the Air Force.

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  • Platschu
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    Okay, we don't know what BW is planning.

    My original concept was that while the Ori has gained energy from followers, what if the Ancients or any new ascended beings are gaining energy from technology users? So this would be the secret agenda of the new enemy. I am aware of it that the Attero device has made the gate exploded, so this new galactic wide one would be an upgraded version where ships can not open FTL / hyperspace windows, but the gate system is unharmed. The story would progress into that way that our new enemy is from an other galaxy and they want to prevent that anyone can contact them by ships. When Atlantis has flown home with a wormhole jump in the series finale that could alarm this new bad guys that somebody has reached that technological level when they can visit them. They strongly believe these massive jumps causes breaks in the cosmic background radiation like an ozone hole, so this would be the other reason why they force the local MW races to use the stargates instead of flying. This step would also connect the events of the Universe into the existing lore. The twist would be that while they look hostile, their motivations are not necessarily bad or evil. But now everybody would blame the Tauri that they have caused again a mess since nobody can conquer or trade with each other. But this is just my fan fiction idea, not the official canon. I really would like to se how we return to gate related adventures (new gate types, new jumpers etc.), while our enemies would also develop similar technologies. The franchise should be about the gate sytem and not turn it into Star Trek or Star Wars even more.

    The DHD living genie concept was about the controlling chrystals. In my own SG reality, the Furlings were terraformers, so they were modifying planets to their own needs. Their allies were the Blue Chrystals (the race called Unity) which has helped the Ancients to create much longer and safer accurate gate travel. The genie character would be like a living MALP, who can follow the team, but he can't leave the dhds in the beginning. So he could travel through the wormhole from dhd to dhd, but he plays his own mind game with the team. He would be a shapeshifter, but only for such races who have touched the dhd. This idea was originally planned for an other stargate network, where such safety protocolls were integrated that the gate system is scanning the race of the travellers, the it will decide if it is safe to go through (like a flashing 7th symbol changes colour if the other side is deadly or the traveller is sent back from the gate memory to the point of origin). I believe the Ancients were not really meant to kill anyone with their stargate network, so such safety features could exist. Maybe it was removed from the Milky Way and the Pegasus. What would happen if somebidy would reprogram such extra functions that no humans or Jaffas can use the stargates? This is how a safety option would turn into a weapon in the wrong hands.

    The circus thing would have been about the slavery and such intelligent races who are kept as prisoners. They wouldn't be a main enemy, just an annoying company who would make worlds turn against our heroes. Their main goal could be anything like they are working for a Goa'uld who still wants to find a perfect host race. Maybe they would just simply make a mess with searching ruins or stealing tech etc.

    The tour company idea was just an inner joke whether Stargate could work as a workplace comedy. They won't be like postmen from Firefly, but they would offer different packs for tourists as they would visit the worlds through the Stargates. Imagine a possibility when civilians would take over a program instead of military, so they would be allies and enemies at the same time as they would make some troubles to our heroes

    * * *
    Don't forget that our heroes now 40-50-60 years old now as that is the real age of the actors. People would settle down in midlife, so while it would be nice to see their return, they should be portayed as "real" humans not like workalcoholics who haven't got any private life. Like Sam and Jack, Daniel and Vala, Rodney and Jennifer are still together, maybe they have got teenager aged childrens now and maybe they don't want to travel to different planets day by day as they have "retired". Some heroes have got other military or civilian tasks (like working in Area 51 to make more jumper type ships or wardrones, educating at the Homeworld Security in Washington etc.)

    It would be nice to see how China would react to the disappearance of the Asgard. Would they keep the treaty with the SGC. What would prevent them to make more X304 than the USA if they can copy the given technology? What would happen if they decide to bring home their own Stargate with a DHD to Earth? Who could prevent this events? Obviously I don't want to turn them into a second Russian type bad guys, but they won't necessarily follow the rules after the SGC is closed down or suspended for years.

    I was always wondering how people would react if they could visit such worlds which were based on their culture. For example would China trade with Lord Yu's Jaffas on his homeworld (the planet Jade)? Or would they visit China by themselves with tel'tacs? Since we haven't got the Antarctic Chair anymore (it was destroyed in the Atlantis series finale) then any alien race can visit Earth. Such treats could be dealt in a Stargate : Homeworld series as what if more and more alien races will reveal themselves or they were here for the whole time etc. Anything is possible with the right explanation. The universe is infinite.

    * * *
    Maybe not all Rebel Jaffa shares the same vision as Teal'c. Those ones who were forced to be free, maybe they want different goals with their life. Imagine that you could leave 140-160-180 years with a Goa'uld symbiote then you are forced to use tretonin and reduce yours and your children's life expectancyto 70-90 years. So no way they will agree with this even if it sounds idealistic from the writers. They wanted to introduce fractions (Rebel Jaffa vs. Loyal Jaffa) in Stargate : Worlds. Then they have done something similar through season 9 which was heavily focused on Jaffa politics too. But have the Replicators found all the Systemlord? We will never know, maybe some of them can still hide on isolated worlds. And the Stargate : Universe has showed how defenseless we are at the moment in the lore as any cloaked cargoship can land on Earth. So yes, an offworld coalition is still a possibility. But this is just open-spinning, don't take me too seriously

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  • Platschu
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    I believe this franchise should be about the gate system and gate related problems. We can introduce many new galaxies with slightly different gate systems, because why would the Ancients not colonise all the galaxies in the local group? But I think the writers have written themselves into a story telling "corner" with the whole ascension story. So as much as we love ascended beings they could introduce other groups, but I believe the audience wants something more believeable, literally more material enemies who can be defeated with luch, intelligence or morals by the new heroes.

    I have written a few ideas in my fan fiction thread, but here are some gate ideas in a nutshell :

    - Ori galaxy : stargates can be slit up into 9 pieces (like one piece per chevron) which could extend the diameter of the stargates as the pieces would be hold together by some energy cells like it was done at the beachhead gate, so this gate type can make a bigger ring to let pass medium sized ships through the event horizon

    - Othala and Ida galaxy : local DHDs can stand the race of the traveller which was a filter against the Replicators. The wormholes are deadly for organic life, so the Asgards have used exoskeletons (like the Vanirs who have visited Destiny) and they have also installed scanners on the gate like Thor's hammer. So they have discovered that the gate system is much safer for their physiology if the travellers are scanned and transported as energy signale instead of merging into the wormhole. So technically the local travelling is beaming through the stargate (like Arthur inner network in the Quest).
    This technology could be harmful in the wrong hands as the travellers can be locked out from travelling by race, because what if this gate protocol is uploaded to other stargate networks.
    Asgard has also sealed worlds in time dilation fields, so when their Ragnarok event has happened these races (allies or foes) will hunt for technology and the heritage of the Asgard.
    Not to mention the Vanirs and the Lucian Alliance who wants to capture the Odussey as they believe it is the key to a legendary vault of the Asgard.

    - Nox controlled galaxy : they have got "transphase gates" as they like hiding and separating the evolution of the lifeforms. Many worlds were also hided in the Milky Way too, but when the Nox cloudcity is forced to leave the Milky way after a galaxy wide event, these alien worlds would turn into normal phase and this will start some major changes in the status quo.
    Earth will also discover that so called "chameleon gates" are planted in the Milky Way which works like a member of the local gate network, but technically they are just mimicri its function, while they have got superior range above the normal gates. This mysterios race has got long term plans how to conquer the Milky Way galaxy without attention.

    Our heroes will search for the legendary "gate master" and his or her location which will be essentially the cave of infinite knowledge what Athena was looking for. Later we will find out that was the Great Library on Earth which was moved to a distant location. It has got also the "hub" or the observation station of the local stargate network, which will play a key role to fix the damaged stargates and stargate protocolls. The new team will serve this gate master while they try to save the galaxies. They would use an experimental ship which can fold itself into the wormhole through the stargate and it can rebuilt itself on the other side as a combination of the Asgard-Nox-Ancient technology. Their ship could travel only from gate to gate, so it would work differently in comparsion to the jumpers as it uses the "stargate drive". The gate master would be by the way a "space ginn" who is one of the last remaining original local tour guide program which was "living" in the DHD main chrystal and his role was navigate and greet the travellers. They were hunted down by an unknown enemy when they have started to malfunction and then he has locked himself in his station which is essentially our new base. So the new team must earn his trust and they should find together what is going on at the gate systems. But anyway that is a long story.

    So even these ideas could be combined or separated, but simply imagine a much larger stargate universe then the Milky Way and the Pegasus galaxy. You can introduce new playing ground with a new galaxy. Just there must be a logical explanation why is the local stargate network different, who are the major races, what happened with the Ancients, do they know about the Milky Way and especially Earth / Avalon / Tauri, if there are humans etc. And later these isolated galaxies can visit each other, such races and evolutionary ways can clash which would never meet without the gate system. I believe these type of discovery stories could be told interestingly.

    Back to the original question. I would close down the SGC for 8 years if President Hayes was replaced by a new president who hates the program so the SGC was shut down / destroyed. Even the whole Earth could have been cloaked by Atlantis when this step seems to be the only way to save our homeworld under an alien blockaded. Then a new Earth based spinoff could be based why the SGC was moved to the Moon, how the Homeworld Security tries to solve some alien intervention and find out what has happened in the Milky Way while Earth was not active. Anything can be introduced this way in the known galaxies, so the new heroes have to re-discover how the fame of Earth was ruined and how the galaxy has evolved without them.

    So where would you go? To the Ori galaxy, where the naive locals are influenced by treasure hunters? Or the Othala galaxy which was nearly ruined by the bug replicators? Or the Ida galaxy where is a hightech second Asgard stargate system guards the vault with ancient, mythological beasts? Or the Pegasus galaxy where the Wraith civil war has reached its peak with the disappearance of Atlantis? Or shall we stay in the Milky Way galaxy where the gate system and the FTL travel are completly paralysed by an invading alien force? As you can see there are many adventures to tell...

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  • Platschu
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    Here are some bad guys idea :

    1. I would like to see an ecozealot type of race who is obsessed with the protection of evolution and the laws of nature. They would not hesitate to attack such worlds which commits crimes so they would be like ecoterrorists.

    2. I would like to see a race which makes allies with themselves in different realities. This step makes them extremely powerful even if they are technologically just scavengers as they would learn very quickly lots of possible AU scenarios while they support each other.

    3. We would meet a group of time traveller race who jumps back and back and back in time and basically this sect would always rebuilt itself with the latest new information. They are a crazy bunch people who believes the Ancients were created by the humans with a gate accident, so they want to find out when this event will eventually happen. They believe humans have gone back in the past and they were the origin of Ancients (and the Ori), so this is one of the main reason why the Ancients can not interfere with the mortal world as they don't want to break the cycle.

    4. When Atlantis has used the hyperdrive in 5x20 Enemies at the gate (season finale), this jump has caused a massive hole in the flow of the cosmic background radiation (CBR). An advanced race will invade the Milky Way who will turn on a bigger scale of Attero device (from Atlantis 5x11-5x12), so no ships can forge FTL windows. Nobody can fly anywhere anymore including Earth and Lucian Alliance who both blame the other side for this unfortunate event. The gate system is used again and this is the place when we could introduce the self-folding or opening-up stargate technology from the Ori galaxy which still helps the ships to pass through but the Attero device won't block it. This is the reason why those "chamelon gates" show up and then Earth must delete the synchronization method of the gatenetwork while a group of heroes are searching for the hub to fix it in an other galaxy.

    5. I would like to see an aggressive mushroom race which uses mind controlling spores through the stargate. When a safety feature is turned off accidentally the floating spores are capable of flying through the wormholes. Completly worlds will be occupied by floating moss type of forests too.

    6. An ancient race is released from its time prison when the shockwave of the gate synchronization will hit their world from the SG-1 6x18 events. They are extremely annoyed who has dared to interfere with their sleep.

    7. We could meet a weird carnival who goes world to world through the stargates like a circus market. But later we would discover their dark secrets that all those captures alien beasts are slaves.

    8. We could meet a race which hates every humanoid or bilateral symmetrical biological lifeform. They hate symmetry as their body is radial symmetry. So simply.

    9. We could meet an advanced civilazation who is living in a VR world. They can steal and copy items from gate travellers while they are being transferred in the memory of the gate network.

    10. We could meet some giant wardrones who can roll through the stargates. They were released from an Asgard deposit, but now they serve a new master.

    11. We could meet a group of a travelling company, which offers escorted tours via the stargate system. They are not necessarily good or bad, rather annoying enemies as they would make a mess almost everywhere.

    12. We could follow the footsteps of the Goa'uld Athena who has decided to capture some artifacts on Earth then to rebuild her dynasty with Loyal Jaffas. The Jaffas would be torn into groups anyway as there is not enough tretonin for everyone and some Rebel Jaffa are not willing to give up 40-60 years of their life for freedom.

    13. We could follow an outcome of an Asgard experiment (probably by Loki) where they have placed a cloned human on many planets so they are following his direct evolution. This is the part where we would learn the origin of Varro.

    14. We could also clash with a civilization who uses the stargates as a reality show similar to the Runners. They would send androids for different quests, but the androids are not aware they are expendables.

    15. The Ashen would be able to break out their isolation.

    16. An ancient powerful race would return to flood and freeze worlds via the stargate when the gate protocolls are suspended.

    and so goes on.... Most of these could be introduced in any stargate network whichever galaxy you choose. As you can see these ideas are based on moral, biological, cultural or technological issues. You don't need necessarly to introduce all powerul godly races when you are spinning storylines. What is really essential to create believable enemies who can be defeated by the heroes with logical decisions and talents and not just magical hightech stuffs. You have to give them an unique character or a face, a real motivation what do they want to achieve, what technological level they have reached, how much do they know about the gate system, what role have they played in the existing lore, if there is any personal agenda against the new heroes or Earth (or the the new base). Kree.

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  • Platschu
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    From other threads :

    I wouldn't mind some stronger back story for the Asgard. I don't want to see that the Vanirs would turn into good guys after everything. I have tried to imagine what could cause the rapid genetic degradation so this is the reason I believe we should study whether the wormhole process can change the DNA of a race. Like a genetic puzzle which is always fixed by the gate system, but soon it or later the process wouldn't be perfect. This anomaly could be accidental or if there is an evil mastermind behind it, maybe it happens directly. So what if the Vanirs wanted to get rid off the cousins, so they have "poisoned" the gate tech such faulty mechanism? At first it was sounding promising as they wanted to prevent the Replicators to use the gate system and all non-biological were killed by wormhole travel as the metal parts were disintegrated with massive radiation. This has made the Asgard vulnerable as even their mobile wardrones were not able to fly through the gates. Later they have modified the local stargate and this is how the exoskeletons were used and why the gate system were using the beaming method. What the Asgard was not aware that the Vanir was manipulating the local gate network and maybe they have released the Replicators on them in the first place. And why would they do such things?

    I also wanted to here a secondary story how the Asgard were so sensitive to these changes as we could discover that there was a point in their history where they have discovered alternate realities and they have cross-bred with Asgards from an other reality as it was an innocent biological accident as a celebration. What they were not aware that this AU reality was the "homereality" of the Vanir, so even if they had descendants together, their genetic makeup has turned vulnerable and their slow genetic degradation was the start how they have split into two groups because of moral reason show to treat the younger races in the Othala galaxy. Vanirs wanted to conquer this reality in a long term war, while they started to eridicate basically themselves with this gate manipulations and the ongoing tech war with the Replicators.

    And this event could have an effect on us when we would learn how some tech scavangers wanted to adapt this gate protocols in the Milky Way system too. Will they able the beam people through the gate? Cab the distance to be modified? So imagine somebody dials the SGC, but they can beam people in any other location on Earth. What if they beam weapons like bombs? What if the DHDs are infected with "scanner" function which would detect the race of the dialer? What if this security protcoll was meant for safe gate travel as the gates woul detect habitable life conditions on the other side and show it on chevrons, but now this function would be turned against other races? So technically what if they modify it that instead of the metal Replicators, the human body can not enter the gate system anymore as the wormholes would kill them? What if somebody set it up that only Unas can use it? Or if this is the way how they want to kill every Jaffa? The status quo of the galaxy would be broken and the new team should find a way how to fix it and repair the gate network.

    * * *
    I believe this franchise should be about the gate system and gate related problems. We can introduce many new galaxies with slightly different gate systems, because why would the Ancients not colonise all the galaxies in the local group? But I think the writers have written themselves into a story telling "corner" with the whole ascension story. So as much as we love ascended beings they could introduce other groups, but I believe the audience wants something more believeable, literally more material enemies who can be defeated with luch, intelligence or morals by the new heroes.

    I have written a few ideas in my fan fiction thread, but here are some gate ideas in a nutshell :

    - Ori galaxy : stargates can be slit up into 9 pieces (like one piece per chevron) which could extend the diameter of the stargates as the pieces would be hold together by some energy cells like it was done at the beachhead gate, so this gate type can make a bigger ring to let pass medium sized ships through the event horizon

    - Othala and Ida galaxy : local DHDs can stand the race of the traveller which was a filter against the Replicators. The wormholes are deadly for organic life, so the Asgards have used exoskeletons (like the Vanirs who have visited Destiny) and they have also installed scanners on the gate like Thor's hammer. So they have discovered that the gate system is much safer for their physiology if the travellers are scanned and transported as energy signale instead of merging into the wormhole. So technically the local travelling is beaming through the stargate (like Arthur inner network in the Quest).
    This technology could be harmful in the wrong hands as the travellers can be locked out from travelling by race, because what if this gate protocol is uploaded to other stargate networks.
    Asgard has also sealed worlds in time dilation fields, so when their Ragnarok event has happened these races (allies or foes) will hunt for technology and the heritage of the Asgard.
    Not to mention the Vanirs and the Lucian Alliance who wants to capture the Odussey as they believe it is the key to a legendary vault of the Asgard.

    - Nox controlled galaxy : they have got "transphase gates" as they like hiding and separating the evolution of the lifeforms. Many worlds were also hided in the Milky Way too, but when the Nox cloudcity is forced to leave the Milky way after a galaxy wide event, these alien worlds would turn into normal phase and this will start some major changes in the status quo.
    Earth will also discover that so called "chameleon gates" are planted in the Milky Way which works like a member of the local gate network, but technically they are just mimicri its function, while they have got superior range above the normal gates. This mysterios race has got long term plans how to conquer the Milky Way galaxy without attention.

    Our heroes will search for the legendary "gate master" and his or her location which will be essentially the cave of infinite knowledge what Athena was looking for. Later we will find out that was the Great Library on Earth which was moved to a distant location. It has got also the "hub" or the observation station of the local stargate network, which will play a key role to fix the damaged stargates and stargate protocolls. The new team will serve this gate master while they try to save the galaxies. They would use an experimental ship which can fold itself into the wormhole through the stargate and it can rebuilt itself on the other side as a combination of the Asgard-Nox-Ancient technology. Their ship could travel only from gate to gate, so it would work differently in comparsion to the jumpers as it uses the "stargate drive". The gate master would be by the way a "space ginn" who is one of the last remaining original local tour guide program which was "living" in the DHD main chrystal and his role was navigate and greet the travellers. They were hunted down by an unknown enemy when they have started to malfunction and then he has locked himself in his station which is essentially our new base. So the new team must earn his trust and they should find together what is going on at the gate systems. But anyway that is a long story.

    So even these ideas could be combined or separated, but simply imagine a much larger stargate universe then the Milky Way and the Pegasus galaxy. You can introduce new playing ground with a new galaxy. Just there must be a logical explanation why is the local stargate network different, who are the major races, what happened with the Ancients, do they know about the Milky Way and especially Earth / Avalon / Tauri, if there are humans etc. And later these isolated galaxies can visit each other, such races and evolutionary ways can clash which would never meet without the gate system. I believe these type of discovery stories could be told interestingly.

    Back to the original question. I would close down the SGC for 8 years if President Hayes was replaced by a new president who hates the program so the SGC was shut down / destroyed. Even the whole Earth could have been cloaked by Atlantis when this step seems to be the only way to save our homeworld under an alien blockaded. Then a new Earth based spinoff could be based why the SGC was moved to the Moon, how the Homeworld Security tries to solve some alien intervention and find out what has happened in the Milky Way while Earth was not active. Anything can be introduced this way in the known galaxies, so the new heroes have to re-discover how the fame of Earth was ruined and how the galaxy has evolved without them.

    So where would you go? To the Ori galaxy, where the naive locals are influenced by treasure hunters? Or the Othala galaxy which was nearly ruined by the bug replicators? Or the Ida galaxy where is a hightech second Asgard stargate system guards the vault with ancient, mythological beasts? Or the Pegasus galaxy where the Wraith civil war has reached its peak with the disappearance of Atlantis? Or shall we stay in the Milky Way galaxy where the gate system and the FTL travel are completly paralysed by an invading alien force? As you can see there are many adventures to tell...

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  • Platschu
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    It would be interesting to see if any digital copies are kept in an archieve, because it could be a blessing and a curse at the same time. So imagine if they would like to study the side-effects of wormholes then it would be enough to compare the different results. I mean there could be a story about how the wormholes will have a long-term effect on the human physiology then it mean that those people are in potential danger who were working for SGC. Like SG-1 has gone the most planets, but then what if they will discover that it can cause problems (like accelerating DNA denegeration - cancer). So then they have to search for this archieve if it exist at all, because that could store all the information of gate travellers without a time travel. So SG-1 was "saved" in 1997 then they could compare their own biology with other copies which were also stored years later. If they could have this reference, then they could clearly see if the gate system has got any major change in the living organisms. I know this idea sounds like an ambitious plan, but they should talk about such plots if we would like to investigate the positive or negative side-effect of the gate system. Maybe some safety features were turned off in the Milky Way, while maybe some other races have added more in their own galaxy.

    We also know from the lore that the gate system doesn't make duplicates. So it desintegrates then rebuilds on the other side, but it happens so fast that travellers don't even notice the difference. But then we could play with this plot like in the Ripple Effect. What if a malfunctioning gate wlll send copies after copies, but then they all fall apart after a time.

    Even the Asgards could be "rescued" if they could compare the current Asgard logs with their peak time, when they could use the gate system. What if this one was the big secret what Thor has never shared with Earth. So we could "reprint" some old Asgard travellers to revive the race if there would be a way to put material into the wormhole. I mean even the gate system can not print materials from nothing if we follow the established rules, so maybe there would be an "input" world where the gate system could drain resources to creat life on the arrival side. This idea could also start a long term plot whether that particular world is happy about its draining.
    Last edited by Platschu; August 9, 2020, 04:20 AM.

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  • Platschu
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    Previously I have talked about this idea, but here is a bit longer description.

    A new SG team arrives via the stargate to a sandy planet, what their leader just calls as the "Dune" after his favorite scifi book. The newbies are excited as this is one of the first planet where their Stargate Academy training has allowed them to go offworld. The planet's name looks fitting as there are large earthworms type of predators which hunt for meat. The local stargate has got weird spike decorations on it as according to legends these animals are capable of even swallowing a stargate. The new recruits believe that whole little training was heavily focused about on emergency evacs as the team must escape back through the stargate when one of the larger earthworm will also follow them. Their SG team leader has placed a camera on the local DHD, so he follows the entrance side in real time on their base while he educates the newbies about how the wormhole works that a living person won't show up on the other side until it was not completly merged into the event horizont. They have got a few second timegap to close the Iris while the animal is still going in to the stargate, but it will never materialize on the other side. So the whole cold opening was just to establish this basic Stargate lore rule for the new viewers. The commander of the base is fuming about his education methods as he was endangering the whole base and even his team has got different opinion if this whole off-world visit was just a joke or a threat. What the bold and reckless trainer didn't know that his actions will start an even greater adventure for the Tauri.

    We would learn later that the local stargate system has got a travel safety feature. So the DHD can scan the race of the dialer and it can compare the living conditions on the other side with the other DHD, so if there is any danger the light of 7th chevron will change colour or flashing or if the wormhole is already established then it will stop the wormhole before entering or copy the traveller but it will send it back to the entry site (like Anubis has done it in season 9).

    So anyway what the team doesn't know that the local animals were also considered as intelligent beings so this giant wormhole was saved in the gate system's memory and it was transfered to the "collector" world. This is a new unique location within the gate system which can be reached by nine chevron. We would learn it that this collector world works like an "afterlife" where the different victims of different gate accidents are transfered. Most of these travellers are not just from the local galaxy, but rather the Milky Way and the Pegasus galaxy. Later we would discover that every time somebody "splashed" on the Iris at the SGC or Atlantis' energy shield then the gate system have transferred the travellers into this world instead of letting them die. This way we could introduce a few old enemies as imagine if the Jaffa, Genii or Wraith soldiers are still there. This high level gate function was written by the Nox, who has updated their own stargate protocoll to save them. The gate system is also enough intelligent to not post bombs or explosives there, but the dangerous animals are free to go. So we would see the insects from the episode "Bane" and obviously the above mentioned earthworm type of creature as well. We would learn it later that this world is like a dead-end within the gate systems as no survivors could dial away from there.

    It would be only interesting as one of the main character's motive could be that he or she was considered dead by the SGC and he/she was left behind, but actually he/she has arrived to this unique, almost prison type of world. Or the story could be introduced as his/her partner is lost or maybe even a complete SG team was considered dead. One of the base motto of the SGC is that they don't leave people behind, but maybe it has happened in the past even if they were not aware of it.

    Later our heroes would make a truce with the local troops and they promise to return everyone where they belong. They will discover that this collector world has got a unique gate position as any galaxy can be reached much easier once they have managed to break the mastercode. So even intergalactic travels could be easily maintained if the travelers are transfered through this stargate as it doesn't belong to any known gate system.

    And this is how a new spinoff could start. The location could be an introduction of the "shell ship" which is an Ancient vessel which can jump from stargate to stargate as it has got a self-rebuilding stargate drive and the local DHD on board will also mimicri the gate system. Or it can have a stargate which act likes a "chameleon gate" which also copies the local stargate system and works like a member of it. That is how the team would learn how expanded is the gate systems as they have to fix the ship at first and make a deal with its last passenger etc. Then they could use this "shell ship" to find the Hub the fix the messed up stargate system in the Milky Way which need the Hub in an other galaxy and then the story goes on the SpaceGenie and his little mind games / adventures and how he has moved the whole Hub / Library from some kind of invaders who know just confused the gate system with a massive, galactic wide Attero device which prevents FTL windows in the whole Milky Way galaxy.

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    The other little idea was still about the Hub / Library. If we would introduce that the Hub is capable of monitoring the physical condition of the travellers in the gate system. We could learn how this wormhole and the copies can cause some genetic degeneration and this is why the Asgard were dangered. Since they have cloned themselves the clones also had this genetic problem and basically the side-effect of the stargate travel was added in their body.

    This discovery would be slightly the opposite what has happened in the first idea. So while some extra features can save travellers, it looks like the interstellar travelling can also cause some damage. If we would have a change to visit the Othala or Ida galaxy where the Lucian Alliance and/or the Vanirs will try to find some Asgard tech, then we could see how the Asgard has adapted their own gate system to the problem. The local stargates are beaming energy signals so some kind of Thor's hammer type of extra device would scan the traveller, then send the signal through the active wormhole and then the beam will transport the travellers on the other side. This is the reason they had to wear their strong exoskeletons as well if they have ever entered the wormhole. The local wormholes are extremely dangerous to unorganic life so they have tried to hold back the Replicators this way to not spread via the stargates and this was the main reason why they have decided to capture the Asgard ships. This "spinoff" would follow the situation in the used-to-be Asgard controlled galaxy as everyone wants to find an important Asgard treasure room and maybe the answer is onboard of the Odysseus. Or some wardrones would be activated by the Vanirs which would go through the stargates to conquest. There could be other VR worlds in the gate memory, there could be some locked alien races which are released now, maybe the Ragnarok was just an acting for the Ori, maybe the Asgard has been on Destiny... There are so many options here why this gate system is unique and how we can use this knowledge. The beaming through the wormhole was also established in the "Quest" so maybe even Merlin has worked together with some Asgards.
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    Tadam! We have reached the 20000 views. Unbelievable. Thank you.

    A mini 2 minutes fan fiction : Dr. Heightmeyer's personality could have been stored within the blue chrystal, so now she is singing a lullaby to calm all the blue chrystals who has become friendly after her therapy. Since she has lost her physical body, she could show up only as a projection when she has gained their trusts after a period of time. She has learned the tragic fate of the Unity how they were massacred in the Milky Way and how the Ancients wanted to resettle them in the Pegasus galaxy, but she has also learned what role they have played in the creation of DHDs and the communication stones. The Unity race helped to expand the Stargate universe further than ever as great distances could be connected as they have fused themselves with the Ancient technologies as allies. So Kate decided to search for them, but she couldn't use the gate system. So instead of entering into the wormhole she has sent a message with the DHD chrystals which has communicated with all the other DHDs in the whole galaxy as a subspace echo, but Atlantis hasn't had the traditional DHD, so they haven't noticed it at all. So imagine her surprise when an old friend has noticed her desperate action. RepliWeir who has searched secretly the whole Pegasus galaxy for the secret of ascension while she was observed by the other Replicators. RepliWeir has offered her to create a new Replicator host body, but Kate has refused it as she was afraid of the nanites will take over her body and mind. And as much as she wanted she couldn't return to Atlantis either as she was part of the chrystal unity now. As a final help RepliWeir told her that she has got the knowledge of the original Weir who has read the reports of the SG-1. RepliWeir told her she must find an Ancient communication stone or use the McK-C bridge to go the Milky Way as the MW Unity could help her. Elisabeth has given a secret hint what she should do then their ways were seperated then. Kate was still stuck as an energy being stored memory being in the blue chrystals when she has managed to convince some of them to go for an adventure. The Unity Chrystals have started to regrow and reform themselves, so they have got tiny legs now which could go through the Stargate like the original replicator bugs and that was the reference from Weir. Some of the Unity has started to merge into each other to form a larger ChrystalHeightmeyer, so now she could materialize herself in human form. She could not go back to Atlantis. She has walked in the wormhole with some walking blue chrystals to the McK-C bridge which was under cnstruction. They have manipulated Kavanaugh easy enough to repogram the station to dial not the SGC, but the the Unity planet and then his memories were overwritten. So Kate has returned to the Pegasus Unity tribe to the Milky Way and that is how her new adventures starts....

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    If I would be in charge at least in the vfx team I would use some kind of scanning mechanism to create "alien" trees. I have seen somewhere that nowadays they can scan large objects like a rock formation and then it can be used in digital models. I believe they have mentioned such options at the new Unreal 5 engine or the upcoming The Elder Scroll VI game. So I was wondering why could they simply not scan much smaller living objects, like plants? For example there are so many rare and really weird looking minerals, succulents, cactuses or mushrooms that any of them could be digitally increased, rotated and multiplied to create a realistic looking digital background. It always annoyed me when we can see only 1-2 trees in a computer game as the programmers are lazy to make more models and it is also easier to count the graphics for the computers if the same modell is turned around on the same hill or valley. I am not a CGI artist at all, but it would be cool to see a little background decoration here and there. It should not necessarily interact with the live action actors as digital sets are challenging, just I am tired of empty mines, desert or forests. It is time to fill the worlds with life. I would expect the nextgenSG to show us some weird environment this relatively cheaper way because they can not afford to travel to different destination of Earth and even 3d printed miniatures would be too expensive. But our nature could provide the best modells. Later maybe they could even scan some animals like some weird insects or birds, but I am guessing the rules are more strict about animals than plants. I believe the technology has reached that point when we really have to some odd looking landscape for the audience next to the characters, plot and adventure.

    For example just have a look at these succulents :
    https://www.boredpanda.com/unusual-s...mpaign=organic
    https://www.thespruce.com/unusual-su...plants-4156785
    http://www.successlifelounge.com/108...-alien-planet/

    They could be easily scanned or used as a model for creating an "alien forest" on a scifi show. Like I have played with the vegetables in my short lived Stargate in the kitchen photo series. I know I have moaned about a few times about this expectations and they can never afford an Avatar type of complex CGI jungle landscape in a tv episode. So I was wondering how could they be a bit more cost effective. Sometimes I have got inspirations from these type of photos, because most of these plants are not even known by the people.
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    It would be cool to hear a story where Anubis has been for thousands of years. In my extended SG lore, he was ascended and lured into the Eden galaxy (Nox controlled space). He was helped to ascend by Oma Desala, but she knew he must kept away from the Milky Way. So it would be nice to see a story how he was locked up in the Nox galaxy where he was rescued by an other ascended entity, the black smoke. There is a connection between Anubis' ascended form and those beings which were studied in Atlantis as this new ascended group would be the next one to the light (Ancients) and the fire (Ori). These black beings are eating nebulas and they are also responsible for spreading dark matter into the universe through their life cycle and that is the way how they play a similar role like an anti-cosmic background radiation. They absorb the signals as they can feed on this type of limitless energy, but it has just made them grown in outer space, while they can not and they don't want really to interfere with living things. They are not really agressive, but technically they do the same passively without interaction. They can also block FTL windows, so ships can not harm them. But when the Stargate system was built, they can feel the presence of the wormhole which goes through their body, so this is an important discovery about the higher role of the universe and why the Nox must isolate this naturally spreading threat from other galaxies as the Nox merge with planets through their "ascension" what I could descension in the past, so the Nox will play to role of " organic nature".

    Anubis could have played an important role in the past. So I could imagine how he has placed a bomb or terror attack during a peaceful meeting, so that is how he tried to turn the bigger races against each other in this new setting.

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    The Asgard was a master of technology, so they believed in technological evolution. Maybe that part was left out last time. They also experienced on different planets with time dilation fields, which could slow down or accelarate the evolution of a planet. This technology was greatly needed when the Asgard, the Nox and the Furlings have tried to terraform planets together as the Furlings have changed the shape of the planets, the Nox have created life and the Asgard has speeded up the process. These combined efforts were greatly needed after the Ancients have gone and many worlds were suffering. But they have also made a few mistakes and many stories can be based on this plot concept. Even the "weapon" on Dakara was one of the device which could spread energy waves through the stargates, so the experiments could have been followed from distance without direct envolvement. Maybe this role was taken over some AI or some kind of robotic lifeform as first they have built some domes around the Stargates then these were extended or turned off after a time. These experimental worlds were locked down from visitors, but life finds a way as we know it from Jurassic Park too, so it has also caused some disasters or unexpected outcomes in the Milky Way and the other galaxies. Later these projects were abadonned for philosophical and moral reasons by the Nox. The Furling was defeated by the Goa'uld and the Asgard had to deal their own problems in the Othala galaxy.

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    We could also learn some infos what happened between the Nox and the Furling. I am just guessing, but the Furlings were portrayed like air / chrystal elementals on the Stargate : Worlds concept arts. It would be cool to hear a story how the Furlings believed they can terraform planets and change the structure of the planets. They have helped to make the stargates stronger as the Furling intervention has created nauqadah streams undergrounds in many planets. The Ancients were thankful to the new metal material, but the Nox was not impressed how they used their knowledge to create and re-create new planets and suns in the galaxies. The Asgard was neutral as the Furlings have helped them to create neutronium on chosen planets which were later strongly needed by the Replicators.

    Later we would learn how the Furling have visited Earth and they were the constructors of the megalithic cultures which can be found in many places in Europe. The Furlings were the one who wanted to establish diplomatic relationship with advanced younger races who can continue their legacy. The Nox believed in natural evolution, while the Furlings believed in forced evolution. They didn't want to start wars between the educated races, but they have a questionable morale on testing them. They have created many planets in different solar systems (and stargate systems) as some kind of game to see how a race can evolve in different circumstances. But then they have underestimated the Goa'uld who has managed to play their mind games even better. The Goa'uld managed to enslave the Furlings, but their physiology has greatly evolved as the Goa'uld has started to carry naquadah marks in their physiology.

    Then one of the allied race of the Furling, the Titans have finished the job and they managed to turn the Goa'uld against each other with the creation of artificial Titan hosts (see an earlier fan fiction), so the combined forces of the Titans and the Furling have greatly decimated the Goa'uld population.
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    Thanks, guys for the 19000 viewers. I hope I haven't caused too much disappointment with this open brainstorming thread if you have expected some classic SG-1/Atlantis/Universe fan fiction.

    Here are more Nox related ideas :

    I believe these nature related race could divide the Nox into different philosophical groups:

    1. "The Greenspace" group idea has come from a game called Sim Meier"s : Alpha Centauri.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sid_Me...Alpha_Centauri
    If I remember there was a fraction called "Gaians" which has strongly believed in the protection of nature. So we could ripoff this ecoterrorist idea from there and make our own Nox group or tribe which strongly believes that they can do whatever they want to stop the threat against nature like an ultra radical Greenpeace (or shall I call them as Greenspace) group. While the Nox is considered peaceful, this group and their misguided follower races would take actions against any other race who is harmful for the peace of the galaxy. Obviously this is such a subject that it can be interpreted into something really bad, so some stories could talk about the questionable ethics behind their actions, but they are not necessarily evil just slightly misjudged and greatly misunderstood.

    2. The "Space Druid" group would be the Nyms which would work like the Priors of the Nox. Such advanced humans who are halfway between the material human world and the spiritual world. They would work some kind of ambassadors, translators who would communicate face to face to such lower or younger races, where the Nox don't want to be involved in the first hand. The Nyms have played a role in early Greece when the Annunakis have educated the first human civilizations, but then a few chosen ones were transfered into the Nyms roles.

    3. "Poision Ivy" nickname comes from the DC universe. I would like to see such Nox or Nox educated races who wouldn't mind to experiment on different lifeforms as they believe they have got the right to create or to destroy new lifeforms through the galaxy. Some bizarre experiments have happened and new races evolved who not necessarily follows the peaceful thinking of the Nox. The Nox naturally believes in evolution, but these races are "fabricated organic races" and they are against of laws of nature. But who can judge such things if they have got the right to leave them alone or must they be eliminated?

    4. "Ent" nickname comes of course from Lord of the Rings. I don't want to see treepeople in Stargate as I believe the role of the Nox could be even deeper. So the "Ent" subgroup was meant for such Nox, who don't interfere with the actions of other planets. They just guard and maintain the local planet (garden) while they can completly fuse with them as some kind of ascension for the Nox. Or even the living planet idea could work with this work like in Avatar or in Final Fantasy. As even such planets could talk to each other via the Stargate network (or the CBR)

    5. "Ghost" nickname describes such Nox group who never shows themselves to the material world and they want to maintain their purity in their transphase realm. They can still communicate through nature with the locals, but they prefer to be left alone. They focus their energies on the maintaining of the flow of the Cosmic Background Radiation (CBR) and they are following the guidelines of the Eden aliens.

    6. "Hourglass" nickname could discribe such a Nox fraction which believes that every illness is part of the evolution and they can not interfere. So when there is an outbreak on a planet they won't save the locals as they believed the survivors will be stronger without intervention. This is not very well tolerated by other Nox fractions because they like sacreficing the weaker or vulnerable lifeforms, while the "corrupted" Nox believes that evolution must decide about their fate and the infected individual have got the same right to survive. Their role is started to be unethical when we would discover that they don't just simply stay away, but they also occasionally spread illnesses on different planets so they also experiment on lifeforms. And when the enemies of the Nox start to use their own philohophical weakness against them, then their role will questioned on which side do they support.

    7. "Exiles" nickname could describe that Nox tribe who has decided to stay in the Milky Way galaxy to study the outcome of the spreading of the Goa'uld after the Ancients have ascended and left this galaxy. They are also responsible to guard the connection between the gate systems, so their city ship has got a unique master code of the Milky Way. We would learn later that was the Hub / Clave Infinita / Great Library which was on Earth for centuries, but they have moved it from Earth to protect us. Or we could tell a story how they have kept our solar system in transphase, so that was the reason why the Goa'uld could never return to the Tauri and it was considered lost.

    Anyway these are just harsh improvisations, but as you can see even a peaceful race could be split up into different groups with a little background stories. And if you have read my Wraith tribe ideas (like tribe G, M, P), you can see which ones would clash with this group if they could ever meet in any galaxy.
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    Nox controlled galaxy (or planets in Milky Way)

    - no humans
    - local stargates / worlds are in transphase position for protection in the Milky Way
    - stargates have an extra function to change between normal or transphase position
    - naturally evolved mostly non-humanoid lifeforms
    - the Nox is calling their worlds as "gardens"
    - the "gardens" are watered with pure life energy through the CBR as the Nox is connected to the Eden aliens from Stargate : Universe
    - Nox has created a hybrid / advanced human race to communicate and they are the Nymphs (equal to the Priors)
    - Nox has decided to follow "Descension" which the opposite of Ascension - instead of reaching a higher level of existense as pure energy, they believe they have to finish their own lifecycle as integrating themselves into the local ecosystem as a natural booster, so they can transform their body into such life energy which is absorbed by the planet (a bit similar way like Eywa in Avatar)
    - there are many nebulas in the Nox controlled space / galaxy which is compensate the dark matter's absorbing of CBR
    - we would learn more about the Nox's hiding skill when we would learn they can observe the worlds through the stargates
    - they know the Rhee'tou and the Giant Aliens (Omayacan) and the Sodan (now near extinct ex-Jaffa folk)
    - the servants of the Ancients have visited them with the device from "Sight Unseen" - those animals are part of the food chain in the transphase
    - Nox can teleport between "tree gates" on their own planet
    - their MW homeworld was named after Gaia (one of Titan who could forge planets) who has tried to stay away from the ongoing Titans vs. Goa'uld and Annunaki alliance vs. Goa'uld galactic wars
    - we would learn how "engineered" planets exists and how these ones were filled with life by the Nox
    - we would learn what problems do they face now in their own galaxy and how a peaceful maintaining race couldn't copy with it (like a renegate Wratih tribe which could corrupt their CBR link after they have taken Nox prisoners in the Pegasus galaxy, but they are also stuck in transphase as a punishment, agressive flower race with mind controlling spores, spreading levitating moss forests, a hostile anti-gravity chrystal race, swarming insects etc.)

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    Oannes controlled galaxy (or planets in Milky Way)
    - stargate are located in dark or underwater worlds (like under ice on moons) or around brown stars
    - this galaxy is filled with the Annunaki races who used to visit Earth to educate humans as they have believed we can educate them about the Ancients (they don't know about the ATA gene)
    - genetically engineered races are also present (mythology based human-animals or human-alien hybrids) - see the Hephaestus story idea (a Goa'uld DNA engineer who crafted different new experimental host races, but then he has hided them in different MW worlds or they were taken by the Ark to the new galaxy)
    - we would learn how Arthur and his companions have ended in their galaxy when they have followed the Lady of the Lake

    Anyway these ideas can be introduced in the Milky Way or in any other location. As you can see the main difference would be that one of them is natural evolution (which would be a slight lie as some planets are modified) and the other is mainly a mythology based galaxy, where we could refelct back to Earth's history without really interfering the outcome in the Milky Way.

    One of the main problem is with the introduction of a new Stargate network that the writer must explain why would the Ancients let any other race build a Stargate. Or if they were ally how they have modified the network to the local needs. And if there is a maintaining / gatekeeper race as a dominant alien in this new galaxy, then why would they let our heroes be involved in their territory? Has something happened with these races? I mean maybe it sounds cool to have a Nox related galaxy, but then why would the Nox not be there anymore? So these restrictions must be planned ahead to have a balanced update to the existing lore.
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    Here are some Nox related ideas :

    I always imagined the Nox as the guardians of nature, evolution in my SG lore as the Four Great Race Alliance had a different opinion about their own role:
    - The Ancients have believed they must connect the different cultures for future colonies and expansions.
    - The Asgard has believed in technology, so they are the master of the sky, cloning, time fields etc.
    - The Furling has believed in terraforming, so they are the master of changing the surface of planets or creating different environments to move evolution and communication forward
    - The Nox has believed in biology and nature of evolution without interfering.

    So these are 4 really different view of life, but they have all agreed they have to guard life. The Ancients have offered them the gate network technology, so all these advanced races have built their own stargate network in their own home galaxy. They have decided they will regularly meet in the Milky Way as this galaxy will be kept like an arena type of space, where their guarded young races will meet and clash, so it can prove who is wrong about such galactic wide decisions.

    The Ancients have used the Dakara weapon to create life in the Milky Way again and again before and after their elimination, so basically that is the explanation while most of the worlds in the MW have got pine forests. They have really preferred the ecosystem of Earth as they had long term plans for the second evolution of their own kind.

    The Nox has believed this is already wrong. While many ecosystems were evolved in different galaxies, since the Ancients have made a decision that the Avalon (Earth) based one will be the preferred one as our planet has got the richest race diversity. The Ancients have created giant domes around the Stargates on promising worlds, while the Asgard and the Furlings have helped them to create time dilution fields and mineral transformations.

    The Nox has believed it is not fair to "infect" or to "contaminate" worlds with invasive Earth based plants and animals, but they have seen it how quickly life could adapt to the different environments and how rapidly life could evolve what normally could have taken thousand or millions of years. They have raised their concerns on the council of the FGR and they have got permission to isolate a few worlds in the Miky Way. The stargates were put in transphase on these worlds, so nobody could visit them for thousands of years.

    The Nox have also believed in evolution, but they have respected all life even the losing one. They were really interested if they follow the footsteps of the Ancients who were dying shortly after the last ice age like a cosmic carma of fate. So they have decided to give a living chance for every animal race which was dying on Earth according to their satellites as they believed our planet will play an educational purpose about what will happen in the whole Milky Way galaxy when all the different kind of ecosystems will clash soon it or later. They have observed and studied the ecosystem of Earth and they have decided to save those animal races which would be extinct on Earth as the first human civilizations started to evolve thanks to the involvement of Annunaki races and the climate change has also started to accelarate. They have isolated and genetically resurrected these animals and placed them in their own home galaxy as they believed the isolation is the key of effective evolution.

    The Nox has never really believed in the Furling utopia plan, but they have agreed they have to try to educate the members of the Annunaki coalition how to guard the peace of the galaxy and how to help the humans. They have established an outpost on Earth where they have educated not just the early humans, but their alien guests too.

    We could learn later the Nox have guarded the Rhee'tou so long, but when the Furlings have fallen, then some part of their technology have fallen into some Goa'uld Systemlord hands. The Goa'uld have started to slaughter the Rhee'tou, while some Systemlords have even started to develop cloaking technologies for personal reasons (like Hathor, Nirrti) or for their ongoing civil wars (cloaking of ships) after they have manged to capture a few alive. The Goa'uld have defeated and conquered more and more young races which have became hosts or they were eliminated quickly.

    Some advanced younger races have decided to beg for help from the Nox, but they were hesitant that they can not interfere. Many of their previous allies have fallen which caused philosophical debate even amongst the Nox. They decided they will protect their own worlds with unique ecosystems, so they have placed not just the stargate, but complete planets and solar systems into transphase and they hoped this galactic storm will end soon.

    Then they have learned about the Wraith-Ancient war in the Pegasus galaxy. They wanted to help, but their peace ambassadors have fallen. These tragic event has scarred the Nox as they have met a unique race which has started to act like their counterpart. While the Nox could create and restore life energy, the Wraith was the opposite as they have drained it to their own cause.

    One of the Annunaki races, the Oannes were the closest ally to the Nox. They have found their way into the Milky Way when their world was visited by a gate seeding ship in their own galaxy. Later they have managed to follow the ship. One of the member of their expedition was Tiamat, who has found an Ancient database on the crashed Ancient vessel. They have built their own Stargate network with the knowledge and guidance. When the Furling utopia signal has reached them they have decided to search for the Ancients on Earth, but they were gone.

    The Nox has stepped up as their teacher as the Ancients have already died out or ascended. They were accepted into the Annunaki groups and they were allowed to study the humans in spite of their different physiology. Centuries have passed. Oannes colonies were established in underwater worlds in different moons, where they have placed MW stargates. But then their ways were seperated from the Nox when the Goa'uld has taken Tiamat as a host during a diplomatic arguement.

    The Oannes has answered with such heavy agression which has shocked the Nox as it seemed their students have started to use desperate acts, so they have started to hide from both side. The Nox and their protected ecosystems has disappeared from the chronicles. The Oannes have escalated a major galactic war against the Goa'uld (who have just defeated the Titans) when lots of human worlds have fallen as they have started to flood the worlds with hot water (see Watergate aliens who managed to kill the Goa'uld Zeus). As a final act, the Oannes Omoroca has sealed Earth's first stargate what was the Great Flood in our history, while their ark type vessel decided to bring loyal human folks into their own galaxy. This was the original ark which was described in many cultures, but actually it was the Great Library which was moved from Earth for safety reasons.
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    A few short story ideas just for fun:

    World of Requirement
    Similar to the Room of Requirement from Harry Potter, there is a hidden world which works as a safety point in the stargate network too. The gate system is enough intelligent to decide whether the traveller is safe to arrive after re-materialization through the stargate. if it believes the traveller would die at the arrival send, it would rather send them to a safe location instead of letting them die. This feature was maybe turned off in the Milky Way and the Pegasus galaxy if we would like to use it in any new gate system. But it could be also fun to see a few returning enemies in a world which were believed to be killed by the Iris or the energy shield of Atlantis. Jaffas, insects, Wraith darts...

    Maybe the story could start of a gate malfunction when they lose an SG team and the SGC is not aware that they are not lost in transfer, but they are sent to this "dumping station". The twist would be that the local stargate is an Universe gate without a DHD, so while the MW or P gates could send material in memory with the higher range, the Universe gate can not reach to connect back to the more advanced network as the range is smaller. Then the team must find a way how to activate the stargate and to escape back to home.

    I have always preferred the idea that maybe there are some Universe type of "old" stargates in our known network, but the new ones have gained priority above the U-gates. This would be a key discovery to investigate the U-gates in the hope of rescuing the Destiny's crew while the Hub wouldn't be involved yet. If you read back, the "Hub" is the Cave of infinite knowledge what Athena and Quetesh were looking for in season 10, but we would find it out later it was the Great Library in the Roman times and it was one of the headquarter of the stargate network, but then one of the member of the Annunaki or any unknown aliens have moved it from Earth and even from the Milky Way to guard the local stargate network.

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    Moonlight
    The new team would visit a world to study a gate anomaly according to the Hub's long range scanners. The world is seemingly a boring forest, where the locals have never used the gate as there is no DHD on the planet. They would discover that the local gate has got a periodic malfunction and it is capable of changing its own chevron colour, but then it turns back to the yellow. The locals have written down the length and periodicity of the colour change as it has reminded them to some kind of rainbow, but they have never find out the solution of the quiz of the gods. The team would find out that the gate is changing all 7 glyphs colour at the same time to same colour, so not just random chevrons. It means it can not be the start of an outgoing dial sequence, rather a weird incoming wormhole which is on a repeated loop. And while the cycle is going on they can also not dial out with the tablet (the same mobile DHD like on Destiny). They have to find a way how the gate system could recognize and finish the wormhole as they have realized they can never dial back to the Hub until the incoming gate protocoll is active. The team will start a search on the planet as they believe the solution or the explanation must be there somewhere. They would find out the locals observed a secondary moon which comes and goes on the sky at night, so when the team observes they find out it is not a moon rather a space ship which appears and disappears in front of the other moon. Since the object is directly placed in front of the moon to be observable, they find out there is a connection between the colour change on the stargate and the ship as it looks like the vehicle cloaks and decloaks itself. This is the reason why it is visible or invisible from the planet's surface. They manage to stop the cloaking signal with zatting the malfunctoning stargate. The overcharge must have have caused some changes in the alien vessel too. They try to take over the ship from distance and they call down the ship to descend to the planet's surface. It seems it must have been abadonned long time ago as there is no life signs on it, but it was still sending some kind of rescue signals in the subspace which was interfering with the gate protocoll. But then the stargate is activated and all 9 (not seven) chevrons are lit one by one without coding any glyphs then the ship cloaks itself and disappears. This is so weird and it doesn't follow any previous dialing method. When they show pictures of it during the briefing to the Jinn, he recognizes the shape of ship. He will desribe it must have been a modified "shell" ship, like an advanced jumper, which was used by the Ancients to travel between galaxies without ZPMs from the Hub, but now one of them must have fallen into unknown hands and now they have just made a favor for them to return it.

    (Later we would find out how these shell ships work as it could be a regular method of travel. It has got a special digital DHD on the board which can always adapt to the local stargate network. So this is the reason they haven't seen coding on the stargate as the glyphs were coding on the board of the ship.)
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    The Annunaki

    I would like to introduce an event in the Stargate lore what is like a Furling utopia concept. The Furlings have sent out a galaxy wide signal that advanced races through the gate system that they should meet and discuss the future of the Milky Way after the Ancients have been wiped out. Their gathering was on Earth and that was the basis of the Garden of Eden type legends which was a Nox diplomatic outpost. They believed they must meet and maintain the secrets of the Ancients, while they should guard and educate the second form of evolution (the humans) as some of them believed they will be the next Ancients after their evolution will grow and if the right human candidates can enter into the Ancient databases which were left behind on different planets. That was a golden era for humanity, when ancients civilizations have meet many alien races who have laid the basics of great civilizations. The members of the Annunaki coalitios included the Nox, the Furlings, the Asgard, the Oannes, the Lamassu, the Titans, the Unity, the Omeyocan amongst a few unknown one. They have taken folks to other planets to test them in different environments, but the Annunaki couldn't agree if it is right and ethical step to speed up the evolution of humans with direct involvement.

    The three most advanced races (the Nox, the Asgard, the Furling) have come from different galaxies and they have educated not just the humans, but these new younger races. But they have also tested them if they can ever fill their shoes in the future. They have strongly believed this is the true legacy of the Ancients and that is what they expect them to do. The Nox wanted humanity to evolve by themselves, while the Asgard believed in technological upgrades and inventions and the Furling believed in philosophy and politics while they were also terraformers to create more and more scenarios to evolve life by nature or by force.

    But nothing can last forever as this golden era has lasted only a few hundred years. The Goa'uld has showed up and they started rapidly spread in the galaxy as they could reach more and more worlds with their Unas hosts. The Annunaki have clearly underestimated the Goa'uld has taken more and more host races and their genetic memory was a major advance against them. The members of the Annunaki coalition was divided what is the right step to fight against this new threat.:

    - the Titans have had a long war against them, but then they have decided to fabricate artificial hosts to turn the Goa'uld against reach other
    - the Unity has gone almost extinct as they were not capable of moving quickly - they believed they can convince the Goa'uld with peace talks and they have felt safe as their biology was so different from other host races, but then the Goa'uld decided to massacre them
    - the Nox decided to hide worlds from the Goa'uld and they have put many younger races into transphase
    - one of the Asgard general was taken as a host by Ra in a battle, so many Asgard world have fallen as they have learned their defenses
    - the Oannes have suffered great losses as the Goa'uld Queens have spawned so many new larvas which could swim through the Stargate into their underwater worlds then even their leader Tiamat was taken as a host as well
    - the Furlings have been torn apart as their diplomatic utopia became a danger to every intelligent life and they have felt guilty that they have played a major role of spreading of the Goa'uld when they have invited them to diplomatic talks but then have been defeated by Ra and they have become a slave race called Straegis

    The Annunaki decided to hide the human populated worlds from the Goa'uld as long as possible, because our short lifecycle and quick adaption skills would be a perfect tool for the Goa'uld. Some worlds were evacuated into secret locations. Later the enemy even captured Dakara as the Titans and the Furlings have joined the Goa'uld side in the escalating galactic war. The old Ancient capital where a device was used to create and boots life on selected worlds. When the first human Jaffa was created on Dakara and the worst fears became true, the remaining Annunaki races decided to close the Stargate on Earth's Antarctic to cut the supply of more human slaves.

    The Oannes has started the Great Flood where they started to let water through the stargate which was frozen with time. The Ancient outpost was covered and they only hoped that one they the humans will find it and they can use it to defend their planet. Other human settlements were also wiped out just to not let them fall into the hands of the Goa'uld.

    The Nox has decided they want to be neutral in the spreading of the galactic wars, so they have maintained only a few isolated worlds which were hided in transphase.

    The Asgard has managed to make a peace treaty with the Goa'uld, so the list of Asgard Protected Planet were forged. They have also frequently visited Earth with their spaceship to keep us safe and to follow the evolution.

    The galactic war have taken a new level in time. The Goa'uld has found Earth, where Ra has brought a new Stargate. He has taken a new host - a human. His dynasty has started to rise higher and higher as the humans were really the best possible hosts. They started to infiltrate the ancient civilizations on Earth where they could see how many of therm were influenced by other alien races, so they started to act like their gods to learn all the secrets and traps what their enemies could leave behind. New human worlds were established in the galaxy which were ruled now by the Goa'uld as their gods.

    The Oannes have started to eridicate human worlds to slow down the Goa'uld, but then they have realised it is not the solution. Their last attempt was to send Omoroca to Earth again to hide every clue what the Goa'uld could use to find their homeworlds in the Great Library of Alexandria, but later Omoroca has never returned. The Oannes have withdrawn their forces from the battlefield of Milky Way.

    Anyway something like that could be discovered step by step in a new Stargate show. We would find out what has happened, which races have been on Earth, where are they now etc. New galaxies, new gate systems can be introduced while Earth could be still kept as a centre of the events. Since our sky was the model of the glyphs that is the reason Earth has played an important role in the evolution not just the humans, but also some advanced races who wanted to understand the legacy of the Ancients.

    So any new Milky Way related events could be built on this past war when the Annunaki has been split up and the Goa'uld managed to turn against each other. The Nox have isolated and hided many worlds in the Milky Way. Or if we really want new playgrounds then they could move humans to an other galaxy. The original plan was to introduce this Noah's ark story with a Sumerian myth twist, but Mass Effect : Andromeda has also had such "arks". Just imagine the Nox has decided to rescue a few races from extinctions, so they were sent away to restart. But since the Nox don't involve in direct evolution of any race, maybe this role should be passed to someone else, so that is the reason I was thinking on the Oannes as the flood myth would also fit better to their history. But since the Oannes have also murdered human / Jaffa / Goa'uld worlds, I doubt that the Nox would ever help them in anything. Such little secrets could be discovered through the Homeworld Security agents when they try to invest alien involvement in the history.

    We still have to find a good reason why the Giant Aliens (Omeyacan) have come with the Chrystal Skull network to Earth. Since there were no active Stargates on Earth that could be an explanation. First gae was frozen by the Oannes in the Arctic, while the second was buried afther rebellion against Ra.

    Then the Roman Empire has come which has spoken the language of the Ancients. Even the Asgard have still visited Earth with ships. Even later Sokar has taken medieval Christians, but before him even Merlin has returned to Avalon (Earth) and he has sent his knights for the Holy Grail (Sangraal stone). And there are several Celtic gods, so those people must have been taken in the early medieval times. So Earth's history is complicated in the lore and these gaps must be filled somehow.

    The easiest way would be if they could find a proof that Earth and the complete Solar System was in transphase for centuries thanks to some kind of alien technology. Maybe the remaining Annunakis have still guarded us without direct involvement. So when the Goa'uld has returned with ships all what they could see that the Tauri has been destroyed and disappeared in the history.

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    The Wox
    I had a silly story idea. Roughly 10 years have passed since the Stargate : Universe was cancelled. But also the Wormhole X-treme movie was also done after ten years. It would be funny to write an SG story where we could reflect on silly conspiracy theories. So imagine when the Wormhole X-treme fans ("the WOX" or "exters") make a con where some hardcore fans of Martin's tv show fans would spread gossips how that tv show is based on real events and what if there is really a portal or door to the stars. Then all the fake cover stories, especially the giant Wraith hive ship explosion would be questioned and this movement would grow into a sceptical political party. Obviously the ruling goverment would still deny the truth from the civilans even if the Lucian Alliance or Athene can also support the unrest with fake news and gossips. Now imagine that the goverment would reveal the Stargate Program then the WOX would react. It would have been funny to start Eli as a character on the Universe as well this way. Anyway if we could get a new spinoff with a revealed program then such events could be told how the humans would react to the announcement. Would they kidnap Martin for information? Would they protest in front of the Cheyenne Mountain? Would the next generation of SGC personel make exclusive offworld Instagram collections? Or would the goverment send out some official crew to show the civilians how dangerous is the galaxy and they should give up the pressure on the goverment etc.
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    Wow. 17000+ views. Thank you, gaters. It is good to know you find my SG ideas interesting.

    I like when an alien race has got different folks, tribes, fractions as nothing should be just black or white. Normally there is no time to introduce a deeper lore on television, so such lore details maybe work better in books or supporting materials. The Wraith tribes were such quick improvizations as I have tried to imagine myself as a Wraith then what motivations would be priority. : hunger, culling, Iratus bugs, rivalry. And if you have read the previous Wraith heavy comment, then you can see how different the philosophy and attitude of a race can be just because of environment, lifestyle, resouces, religiom, science, anatomy or any other reasons. I would like to see such things in future SG project. We don't have to copy the Game of Thrones and make raging houses and fractions, but it is good if a race is introduced more colorfully, so the writers can choose whichever style they really prefer in their story.

    So here are some Unas related tribe and plot ideas :

    Unas tribe A : there could be a smaller Goa'uld Systemlord who has kept his Unas host during centuries in spite of most of the Systemlord prefer humans. He has also kept his Unas slaves as his "Jaffas" as they are stronger than human Jaffas, but technically they don't carry a symbiote anymore. These Unas are educated like humans to modify them into a hok'unas tribe (phrase is similar to the hok'taur - advanced humans). So they have got an advanced language skill, but they are not more clever than any average human, but they still count as the cleverest amongst the Unas tribes. Most of them work as translators or traderss between other Unas tribes and human worlds which very profitable as less and less naquadah mines are working in the galaxy.

    Unas tribe B : this Unas tribe also used to serve a long-time dead Goa'uld who has educated them via genetic memories which are still inherited within their bloodline. That is the reason they don't merge with other Unas tribes as they have discovered this genetic link long time ago. Currently they are hunting down Rebel and Loyal Jaffas for their inmature symbiotes as they are highly dependent on the constant naquadah intake in their blood when they consume them. They are immune to symbiote poisions and toxins even if the Trust tried to eridicate them with a desperate attempt. They can not be taken as host anymore as they were eating dying Goa'uld symbiotes. Their ultimate goal is to capture a Goa'uld Queen who could provide them necessary food recources. They also hate the Tok'Ra and the tretonin users, so the SGC has had direct confrontation with this hostile tribe. Scientist believes their aggressive behaviour can be explained with the genetic memories, so maybe their ex Goa'uld Systemlord motivated them to fight against rivals.

    Unas tribe C : this Unas tribe lives together with an alien race called Lamassu (or the "Fourth") which also used to be a host race of the Goa'uld. Their world was completly isolated and forgotten in the Goa'uld wars when they have managed to defeat their Systemlord. Nobody has found them until they haven't got the Replicator beam from Dakara, so they have decided to look around in the galaxy after a long scientifical analysis. The Lamassu has shared their advanced technology with the Unas, so this tribe is extremely good with technology and energy weapons, but physically they are weaker and paler then the other Unas tribes as their local environment has changed their biology. They can ride or fly on the backs of the Lamassus, but they are not really hostile rather then bold explorers. One of their ultimate goal is to find a specific location in the galaxy according to their Lamassu legends, but later we would find out that place is actually on Earth.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamassu

    Unas tribe D : this Unas tribe was living and working in naquadah mines for centuries, where only the strongest could survive. Their body color has sligthly changed to darker green because of the harsh environment. They are extremely good hunters as their smell and sight senses evolved. Some Goa'uld Systemlord has tried to hire them as assassins to defeat the Rhee'tou and to capture Fenrirs on Gaia (Nox planet), but the communication is very difficult. The retailation was coming, but they have managed to stop a Rhee'tou terrorist attack against their planet as they can see them with their advanced and sensitive eyes. Some of them were taken as slaves in the past, but their multiphase eyesight works only in dark, underworld places, so they were in disadvantage on the surface in bright sunshine. Later even the Tok'Ra agents have visited them who have managed to make a trade with them as they helped to develop the TER weapons.
    https://stargate.fandom.com/wiki/Tra...radication_Rod

    Unas tribe E : this Unas tribe has got an initiation ritual when every young Unas must bath in a special lake without turning into a Goa'uld host as it would be a sign of weakness. They are extremely good warriors who can feel the presence of the Goa'uld as their senses are focused on naquadah levels in every living thing. They are really good geologist as they can analyse the local waters and vegetations for any naquadah marks. This skill was one of the main reason why they were kept as very elite and expensive "pets" by the Goa'uld. Their own Unas culture has also evolved around the Stargate what they worship as sacred objects as they believe there is a connection between their physiological changes and the material of the Stargates. They consider themselves as the true messengers of the Ancients.

    https://stargate.fandom.com/wiki/Unas
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