Pleeeeeeease get rid of Keller! She's tedious as a character, she's unbelievable as a CMO, and it appears that the main purpose of the character is to provide a set of XX chromosomes for the XYs to do battle over
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Originally posted by Rocky89 View PostI voted for Woolsey, not because I don't like him, I do, but he'll never measure up to Sam Carter, and only because I strongly believe Sam is the true leader of Atlantis!
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Originally posted by Cautious Explorer View PostAll the excuses in the world couldn't make me like Sam Carter. I just wasn't impressed. I don't think she's a compelling character, and yes, I do think she's bland and unlikeable. (You do know I'm talking about the character here, not the actress, right?)
Originally posted by johnliz4ever View PostDespite the fact that I know I'm about to get surrounded by a forum of Carter supporters and eaten alive I just had to post and tell you how wrong you are. Carter will not be missed, at least no by me. I will miss her as much as a hole in parachute. Don't get me wrong, I liked her up until season 6 and then she just started to get a little too perfect.
Jonas: Dear God the world is ending again
Jack: That's alright, Carter will sort it. Let's go have a beer
Was there nothing Carter couldn't do? I mean dear God that woman just have the biggest brain in the known universe, she can do anything.
Like I said, not a realistic character.
Let me ask you something, hasn't Rodney been doing the exact same thing in the Pegasus galaxy? In some ways he's an even more unrealistic character than Carter because he's doing what she did, just in another galaxy, with all alien techno. Same thing could be said for MacGyver, but I really like him , Hell, Sam is the modern day, female MacGyver now that I think about it.
Originally Posted by Cautious Explorer
That's the problem with Carter. She didn't lose control, she didn't react much at all. That's what I call a bland character. She's as good as gone already, otherwise she would be at the top of my list to be kicked out of Atlantis.Originally Posted by johnliz4ever
Of course they didn't do that for Torri, they wanted her gone because she complained (And rightly so) that they weren't doing a thing with her character, and what did they do when they brought Amanda over? Well they turned her into...well Elizabeth. She did basically the same as Elizabeth, you can argue with that all you want but 80% of what she did on Atlantis was what Elizabeth could have done.
And no, Carter was not Elizabeth, because Carter had much more experience in both the scientific and military area. This has nothing to do with TH, it's about the character, however this changed and as much as Weir tried to rise to those challenges, she couldn't handle them. it's not her fault, she's just not the right person to lead such a military op (because that's what it became in s2). She was too much of an ineffective leader at times, she had absolutely no experience in dealing with security issues or any issues for that matter except negotiating, yet she tells the head of the military contingent to stay in his room and doesn't even ask his advice. Weir and Sheppard were meant to be co leaders (Sheppard was more the leader at times) but they never really got past their differences. I think the PTB tried to show a bit of conflict between them but it didn’t work out IMO. Weir never instilled any confidence in me as to her leadership abilities, and I don't think Sheppard had a great deal of confidence in her.
Season three TPTB seemed to realise that Weir wasn't really qualified for the job and tried to fix their mistakes but then they didn’t really know what to do with her and I guess the seeds were sown to get rid of her. I don't know whether I can put all the blame on the writing and I do think the actor puts their own stamp on the character and Torri's portrayal of Weir just never appealed to me.. I loved Jessica's portrayal and she instantly came across as a strong capable leader even though she had the same credentials obviously as Torri's Weir. Torri did get a handle on the character, but it wasn't enough and yes bad writing didn’t help but it wasn’t the entire problem.
The idea of having a civilian leader was quite novel but didnt really fit in with how the ptb were taking the show and therefore Weir had an uphill battle proving her worth. She was against military action and preferred negotiation but there wasn't really a place for negotiation so again it didnt leave her character with many options to shine... The only episode where Weir really stood out for me was in The Long Goodbye, where she was given something that seemed to bring her to life and she wasn't Weir... so if Weir does come back in season 5 the only thing I would be interested in seeing, is her in an evil role for a couple of eps. This would really give Torri something to sink her teeth into which she really seems to want and it would be an interesting development for her character
Originally Posted by Cautious Explorer
As to AT, hectic schedule or not, it's the performance that matters. I thought it was lacking. I certainly hope she wasn't giving 110%, because I'd like to think she could do better. But not everyone's taste is the same and I suspect that I simply don't like AT's acting style. It doesn't mean she's bad or good. She's just not to my taste.Originally Posted by johnliz4ever
I have to praise Amanda for leaving because they were destroying her character. I'm sure she went over to SGA thinking it would be a new opportunity and a chance to explore different parts of her character, obviously when she got into the heart of the show she found out that her character was nothing more than someone to fill in space between Rodney/John scenes.
Originally Posted by johnliz4ever
I'm sorry but if you say that again I might loose it. Torri went to TPTB a lot and asked if they were killing her character and ever time they said 'No of course not, we love you' and than after she'd filmed the final scene of the season she got called up the Mallozzi's office and told that she was loosing her job. Just think about that for a moment. That moment she was told she was loosing her job, her friends, a show that she had dedicated 3 years of her life to was gone and it wasn't her decision. That must have been bloody painful for her and it was excruciating for her fans, if she had chosen to leave it wouldn't have hurt so much.
Amanda choose to leave, she choose to put an end to a character she had for 11 years. I'm sure the decision hurt her but at least it was HER decision and I'm sure you guys are hurting too, I have no doubt about that but until you favorite actress/character is pushed out of a show that you love don't come to me saying that we can't possibly know how much you hurt because you are wrong. We know a heck of a lot more than you do.
Let me tell you somehting, ever since I heard Amanda was coming to Atlantis, I read some mean comments online from users who are just jerks. Not just online, but in magazines and stuff. Every comment I read, I felt sick, and mad because she's the kind of person who shows up for work happy with a smile on her face, ready to make things happen, because she genuinely cares about her fans, you want the fans to be happy, I only wish more celebs were like her, and I wish everyone would see her for the sweet and kind hearted person she is. Amanda herself even said she's read a few mean things online too, even here . I can't imagine how bad and hurt Amanda must have felt reading those mean comments, she did say she's read "some discouraging things", and "Internet forums can be bad for your health". But she didn't let that get to her, because she knows she has a lot more Pro-fans than anti's. And then when she made the choice to leave, she was crying after her last phone call. What about her, what kind of pain was she in? Also I found out on this thread, the other day the IOA was letting Sam go-- I can post the link if you want. So I may not know how bad you were hurt, but you cannot even imagaine how hurt I was too! Everything I wrote up there isn't even close in describing how I felt. It's never easy to see your favorite character/actress go. I guess that's what sorta makes us the same.
You know, ever since I heard Woolsey was taking over, hearing on GW he's the new leader, and seeing pics of him with the SGA cast-- I like him, I do, but all I can think is "No, that's wrong, Sam should be standing there, not him" "Sam Carter is the real leader, not Woolsey" IMHO, Same thing when I see Robert. I'm going to tell you something, but first let me STRONGLY, STRONGLY EMPHASIS!!! that I do not agree at all with the anti-Sam threads/comments, because I just don't get it, I could do this 100 years, I could meet 1000 anti-Sam/Amanda people, read 1000's of anti-Sam/Amanda threads, and I'll never understand how anyone could ever say such trash about her, I just don't get it, and no one can ever make me. But I guess I can kinda understand a little better how you guys feel.
Originally Posted by Cautious Explorer
You don't like Weir, I don't like Carter. What's the difference? I'm not trying to change your mind and you're not going to change mine. We each have a right to our opinions.Last edited by Rocky89; 01 July 2008, 11:00 AM.
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Originally posted by Rocky89 View PostLike I said before I just want to hold on to Sam tight, hug her and never let her go and tell her I love her You can love her all you want, I have no/0 problem with her Pro-fans, but she's mine .
(((Amanda looking at me)))
+ + : Move over Jack, I found a real man!
:Whaaaaaaat?. How did I lose her?........ Oh yeah.
Thank you so much too . I was also worried, but she proved to me once again why Sam is such a great character. I'm so going to miss her.
No worries....I love Sam but um.....not in that way
I do have my reservations about Woolsey taking over though.....I hope i'm wrong again but i just don't see how this is gonna worksigpic
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Originally posted by Rocky89 View PostI wish I could green you again. You just became my friend on this thread. Btw, who did you vote for?
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Originally posted by hedwig View PostEven if you couldn't "green" me again, thanks for the thought. Not sure I understand the "who did you vote for?" unless it was who I would vote off the show. And that would be Woolsey. Just don't think he's cut out for a leadership role. I've been a Sam Carter fan ever since I "discovered" SG1, which was only about 5 years ago. I didn't get to see it when it was on Show Time, and then the cable company I was with at the time didn't have SciFi, so when I switched cable companies I played catch-up by starting nearly in the middle of the series and then getting to go back and see earlier stuff. Needless to say, I was hooked. And as I said, been a Sam fan since I first started watching. Would love to be able to go to a convention or two, but sadly that isn't possible ... yet!
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Originally posted by Rocky89 View PostSo don't go around saying she's bland or unlikeable.
While Carter on the other doesn't lose control.
Originally posted by Rocky89 View PostLet me ask you something, do you even like AT?
But this is a natural thread, so your safe, anyway, that third part I bolded just proves a point.
And you're wrong, Carter will in fact, not theory-- fact be missed by a lot, it's undeniable.
She was too much of an ineffective leader at times, she had absolutely no experience in dealing with security issues or any issues for that matter except negotiating, yet she tells the head of the military contingent to stay in his room and doesn't even ask his advice. Weir and Sheppard were meant to be co leaders (Sheppard was more the leader at times) but they never really got past their differences. I think the PTB tried to show a bit of conflict between them but it didn’t work out IMO. Weir never instilled any confidence in me as to her leadership abilities, and I don't think Sheppard had a great deal of confidence in her.
I'm sorry for saying this, but I'm glad they fought so hard to keep her, and you know what else, she even cried after her last phone call with JM. What about her, what kind of pain was she in?
Let me tell you somehting, ever since I heard Amanda was coming to Atlantis, I read some mean comments online from users who are just jerks.
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Originally posted by Reiko View Post» Presisely part of the problem. She suffers from MS syndrome; she's too perfect. She simply just fails to interest me. THere's nothing deep with the character, nothing to keep me hooked, she's smart and pretty and ... zzzzzzzz.
Originally posted by Reiko View Post» Wait a second - I cannot emphasize how much I disagree with those bolded statement. With Weir gone, I truly doubt Sheppard will ever have another leader he could have as much faith, trust, and confidence as he did with Weir. They were coleaders, and it worked well.Last edited by Jumper_One; 01 July 2008, 06:02 PM.
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Originally posted by Reiko View Post» You're talking about Amanda here. We were talking about the character of Carter.
» Presisely part of the problem. She suffers from MS syndrome; she's too perfect. She simply just fails to interest me. THere's nothing deep with the character, nothing to keep me hooked, she's smart and pretty and ... zzzzzzzz.
» This is not about Amanda. This is about Carter. And, boy, if you think they're one and the same, I suggest you step back and sort the differences for awhile.
» Not really - you are definately less "safe" out here. I disagree, but alas that's not the point.
» Implied talk like that will get you modded and snipped. But since you're a Carter fan, I guess you're safe.
» Wait a second - I cannot emphasize how much I disagree with those bolded statement. With Weir gone, I truly doubt Sheppard will ever have another leader he could have as much faith, trust, and confidence as he did with Weir. They were coleaders, and it worked well.
» Oh, I understand. JM is a big, mean man.
» Once again, I have issues with Carter, not Amanda. But chances are, I'm probably one of those "users that are just jerks".
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Originally posted by Jumper_One View PostOriginally posted by Reiko View Post» Presisely part of the problem. She suffers from MS syndrome; she's too perfect. She simply just fails to interest me. THere's nothing deep with the character, nothing to keep me hooked, she's smart and pretty and ... zzzzzzzz.
I really hope Amanda Tapping can do better, because in SGA she barely displays 2 or 3 facial expressions, one of them being plain neutral emotionless face.My Stargate Atlantis fanfictions - Wraith font
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