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    #46
    Originally posted by Ebeneezer_Goode View Post
    I know! Why couldn't the writers have just written her as another one dimensional flawless character that we can all worship?!?[/sarcasm]
    Originally posted by aretood2
    Jelgate is right

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      #47
      Originally posted by P-90_177 View Post
      Well now you have your answer.........She's young for a doctor because she skipped 3 grades!!!!!
      lol @ ignorance . As a med student who skipped three (four counting my B.S.) grades, I find it hilarious that you think that skipping three grades makes it all work out. Toaster, VastlySS and myself (we're all in the field) figured out that Keller would've had to have started Medical School when she was born in order for her credentials to be believable. Even then she'd be under qualified.

      Now that we know she started College @ 15 it makes it even less believable, because no one can argue now that she began even younger. If she started college @ 15, she'd have to be in her late 30s right now.
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        #48
        Television has never been about realism. Have you seen how young some of the doctors on ER are.
        Originally posted by aretood2
        Jelgate is right

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          #49
          Originally posted by Ripple in Space View Post
          lol @ ignorance . As a med student who skipped three (four counting my B.S.) grades, I find it hilarious that you think that skipping three grades makes it all work out. Toaster, VastlySS and myself (we're all in the field) figured out that Keller would've had to have started Medical School when she was born in order for her credentials to be believable. Even then she'd be under qualified.

          Now that we know she started College @ 15 it makes it even less believable, because no one can argue now that she began even younger. If she started college @ 15, she'd have to be in her late 30s right now.
          It's a TV show.

          And thanks for the red. Appreciate it. Hadn't had one of those before. So what if it's not believable? There are other characters who aren't believable either. Either suspend your disbelief or don't. But seriously, redding someone because they disagree with you or don't think it's a horribly big deal is absurd.
          Last edited by Avenger; 19 January 2008, 11:24 PM.
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            #50
            Originally posted by Ripple in Space View Post
            lol @ ignorance . As a med student who skipped three (four counting my B.S.) grades, I find it hilarious that you think that skipping three grades makes it all work out. Toaster, VastlySS and myself (we're all in the field) figured out that Keller would've had to have started Medical School when she was born in order for her credentials to be believable. Even then she'd be under qualified.

            Now that we know she started College @ 15 it makes it even less believable, because no one can argue now that she began even younger. If she started college @ 15, she'd have to be in her late 30s right now.
            Maybe Keller spent all of her time studying instead of on the forums
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              #51
              Originally posted by jelgate View Post
              Television has never been about realism. Have you seen how young some of the doctors on ER are.
              I don't watch ER, but aren't some of those doctors supposed to be students ? To learn ?

              No, the problem is that up until Keller, I thought the actors chosen were credible with the show, the age they were all supposed to be to access those incredible jobs on Atlantis. And that this credibility was thrown out the window when Keller was hired. Hence the "child prodigy" as a desperate attempt to explain Keller's youth. Unfortunately, that makes her a Mary Sue. The more I see her, the more I see Lana Lang from Smallville.

              Personally, I think the writers/producers wanted JS and wrote Keller for her, instead of writing a new character fitting Atlantis and looking for an actor/actress to play it.

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                #52
                Originally posted by Ripple in Space View Post
                lol @ ignorance . As a med student who skipped three (four counting my B.S.) grades, I find it hilarious that you think that skipping three grades makes it all work out. Toaster, VastlySS and myself (we're all in the field) figured out that Keller would've had to have started Medical School when she was born in order for her credentials to be believable. Even then she'd be under qualified.

                Now that we know she started College @ 15 it makes it even less believable, because no one can argue now that she began even younger. If she started college @ 15, she'd have to be in her late 30s right now.
                I wasn't being entirely serious. There was a hint of sarcasm in there......Hence my previous surprise that people were taking it so serriously.
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                  #53
                  Is anyone on this thread actually a doctor?
                  From my personal experience a doctor reaches his peak at about 40. Why? Because there's only so much you can learn from books. No amount of book studying will beat years of personal hands on experience and mistakes (Yes tragically you'll probably learn much more from your or others failures than success)
                  Another think that irks me about Keller and doctors in Stargate what are they - G.P., surgeons (what kind?), internists, infectionists, geneticists, trauma specialists? No one can excel not even in one of these fields -each has subfields -it's really difficult to excel even in one of the subfields...

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                    #54
                    Originally posted by Shan Bruce Lee View Post
                    Maybe Keller spent all of her time studying instead of on the forums
                    Bwahahahahahaha!
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                      #55
                      Originally posted by Avenger View Post
                      She hasn't failed as a doctor yet.
                      Nor has she in any way shown herself to be more capable than your run of the mill doctor.

                      Originally posted by Shan Bruce Lee View Post
                      The "experience" arguement is kinda weak for a couple of reasons.

                      1. I don't care how old a doctor is or how much experience he has on Earth... they're not on Earth, they're on Atlantis. They're not even in our Galaxy.

                      2. The Atlantis expedition is turning into the Atlantis settlement. You want somebody who's gonna be there for a long time. Not just somebody who's gonna be there for a while then retire and have to bring in somebody new all over again. (keep in mind that Earth experience doesn't mean as much on Atlantis)

                      3. Carson wasn't exactly a grandfather when he came to Atlantis.
                      1) And this matters because? In fact, since they're in Atlantis, they need someone with more experience to be their CMO than someone who'd be the CMO at Stargate Command. Why? Because if push comes to shove, Stargate Command would fly people off to nearby hospitals/hospitals in other countries or fly a specialist in to Cheyenn Mountain. With a similar sitaution in Atlantis, they'd need to gate back to Earth (because they can't just bring people through the gate willy-nilly), which would take more precious time. Hence, the CMO and doctors in general need to be better.
                      2) It's turning into the Atlantis settlement? Like, what, with its own law and president? When did they say this? Have you been reading too many fanfics lately? Doctors do not retire at 40 or 50. And your excuse is "People might retire, therefore we can bring in younger underqualified greenhorns to get us all killed in order to spare ourselves the effort to bring in someone new again in 10 years should X-person retire"? O... K...
                      3) Nobody said you need to be a grand-father in order to qualify for CMO of Atlantis (Janet was not a grand-mother and she was CMO of Stargate Command) or a CMO in general. Keller, however, is way too young.

                      Read what Ripple in Space said. Apparently, he/she's in the know. He/she and two others who are themselves in the field calculated that in order for Keller's story to be believable, she'd had to have started studying medicine at age 0.
                      Last edited by FallenAngelII; 20 January 2008, 11:20 AM.



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                        #56
                        Originally posted by FallenAngelII View Post
                        Nor has she in any way shown herself to be more capable than your run of the mill doctor.
                        That's an interesting point. What WOULD show her to be exceptional? Does she have to solve every new disease/injury that comes her way?

                        Because that'd be just as unrealistic.

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                          #57
                          Originally posted by PG15 View Post
                          That's an interesting point. What WOULD show her to be exceptional? Does she have to solve every new disease/injury that comes her way?

                          Because that'd be just as unrealistic.
                          No, but I just made the point that she's shown herself to be nothing but your run of the mill doctor. There's really nothing exceptional about her (so far) except her young age. I was rebutting the argument "She hasn't failed yet" with "Well she hasn't excelled yet either".

                          Neither are very good arguments but I was counter-arguing a bad argument with an equally bad argument on the other side of the spectrum to show how moot both points were.



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                            #58
                            Originally posted by FallenAngelII View Post
                            Being a great doctor does not automatically qualify you for being CMO of something as important as Atlantis. It's been stated already, but you need experience and specific abilities to do the job. It's like how you can be a great athlete and a great soldier and read up on everything you need to know about the Wraith. It does not mean that you'd be the perfect soldier to send out if they needed a one-man job to infiltrate a Wraith hive.

                            There's a lot of things you can't learn just from reading about it.
                            True and as I've stated before she was only standing in for Carson temporairly and it became a permanant position. Also you can't compare being CMO to a combat position. Two different circumstances. Keller has proven she is a great doctor and a great CMO.
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                              #59
                              Originally posted by FallenAngelII View Post
                              No, but I just made the point that she's shown herself to be nothing but your run of the mill doctor. There's really nothing exceptional about her (so far) except her young age. I was rebutting the argument "She hasn't failed yet" with "Well she hasn't excelled yet either".

                              Neither are very good arguments but I was counter-arguing a bad argument with an equally bad argument on the other side of the spectrum to show how moot both points were.
                              I disagree. No run of the mill doctor has the skills she does. Most doctors just a few years out of med school can't do a high risk neurosergery procedure like she did. Most run of the mill doctors don't deal with the things she does. She sure as hell has proven it IMO.
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                                #60
                                Originally posted by Mitchell82 View Post
                                True and as I've stated before she was only standing in for Carson temporairly and it became a permanant position. Also you can't compare being CMO to a combat position. Two different circumstances. Keller has proven she is a great doctor and a great CMO.
                                It was just an example of how you need certain kinds of experience and skills for certain jobs.

                                She was a bad temporary replacement and an even worse permanent choice since she didn't really do anything (that we saw) during the "probation period", which lasted a whopping, what, 1 month?

                                Also, she's "proven herself as a great CMO"? Examples of it didn't happen. In fact, she's proven herself to be a great doctor? What has she done on Atlantis that's so exceptional she's proven herself to be a great anything? I'm not saying she's proven herself to be a failure, but she hasn't really proven herself to be a whopping success either.



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