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    "Outcast" Pre-Airing and Speculation (Spoilers)

    Title courtesy of PG15. I know this isn't officially a script yet as they are still throwing out ideas but I think it needs it's own thread.

    Looks like a new story dealing with Sheppard and Earth seems to be in the works:
    We spent the better part of the morning spinning Joe F.’s notion into the actual beginnings of a story. Due to a schedule sleight-of-hand, Marty G. will be taking a break from that troubled trio script to tackle this one. We discussed the basic premise, the type of story to tell, and also started hashing out some of the Sheppard backstory. What brings Sheppard back to Earth? Who goes with him? Which individuals from his past will put in an appearance? What’s at issue? How will the action progress? Although we didn’t get around to actually breaking the story, we’re all pretty happy with the direction we’ve taken.
    http://josephmallozzi.blogspot.com/2...y-21-2007.html

    Another Sheppard-centric episode isn't a bad idea, and more backstory is always good. So it looks like he goes back to Earth and others might go with him. Sounding good so far.

    UPDATE thanks to PG15

    Anonymous #1 writes: “ I'm very excited about the Joe Flanigan pitched script. So when he comes to you with one, is it just a vague idea that all the writers hash out or does he have a more developed plot ?”

    Answer: In this case, it was a very vague idea that we are hashing out.

    Anonymous #3 writes: “On the Shep back story and going to earth, very cool. Its got to be pretty drastic, we're talking about a guy who didn't feel the need to send a message home to anyone with everyone else, nor has shown to have any links back on Earth that he wishes to keep.”

    Answer: Indeed. Odd, no?
    http://josephmallozzi.blogspot.com/2...y-22-2007.html

    UPDATE 2 again from PG15 and thanks to prion as well for transcribing it for everyone!

    Question: I know that Joe Flanigan wanted to do more Sheppard backstory, but will fans really see it?

    Joe Mallozzi
    : In fact, actually, that’s what we were talking about on Friday. We’re spinning Sheppard’s backstory, specifically the fact that in “Letters from Pegasus,” he didn’t really seem to have anyone out there and the question is sort of ‘why?’ and it’s something we discussed on Friday and we’ve got something really cool planned which I’m not at liberty to reveal right now, but Joe [Flanigan] came up with a great springboard for a story. We’re going back to Earth-

    Joe Flanigan: Was that the one that’s not scrapped? I just wanted..

    Joe Mallozzi: You’ll love it, trust me, you’ll love it.
    http://wraithfodder.livejournal.com/85558.html

    UPDATE 3

    Finally, we will get around to breaking that Sheppard on Earth story next week along with what we hope will be the season finale.
    http://josephmallozzi.blogspot.com/2...st-2-2007.html

    UPDATE 4 thanks to PG15 yet again :

    PG-15 writes: ...2. You mentioned breaking the Shep-on-Earth story next week, but I thought you guys have already spun it out, or at least broken it already? 3. So, Martin Gero is doing "Harmony"? Wow, so he's writing his "Three's Company" episode, the JF-pitched story, AND Harmony? He's going to be busy.”

    Answers: ...2. We started spinning the story but took a break to work on Harmony, then will switch gears again to work on the Sheppard on Earth story next week. 3. Martin was writing the Sheppard on Earth story but, having finished Trio (formerly Three’s Company), he will start on Harmony while Alan McCullough assumes writing duties on the JF-inspired eppy.
    http://josephmallozzi.blogspot.com/2...st-3-2007.html

    UPDATE 5 Looks like they finally broke the story:

    Back in the office today and we broke the JF story today. More on it, some snaps from Kindred II, and the mailbag tomorrow.
    http://josephmallozzi.blogspot.com/2...st-7-2007.html

    UPDATE 6 thanks to watcher652 and PG15

    Still looking for a title for the Sheppard on Earth story we finished breaking yesterday. To those of you who are using the bio on the Sci Fi website as a guide, stand advised - the reference to his father being a Cold War Colonel is not canon. I’m not even sure where it came from. So, expect some insight into Shep’s past relationships late in season four.
    Anonymous #1 writes: “It does make me wonder if he had not approached you with this plot, would we have gotten any Sheppard back story at all this season?”

    Answer: Delving into Sheppard’s backstory was one of the things on our To-Do list at the beginning of the season, and Joe’s idea gives us the perfect scenario in which to do it.

    Grey writes: “On the SciFi website, for Sheppard's character it describes him as "the son of a respected Cold War colonel". In the upcoming Sheppard-on-Earth storyline, might we learn anything about said father (ie: dead, alive, disowned) or is that something initially thought of that doesn't fit the character anymore?”

    Answer: That didn’t come from us.
    http://josephmallozzi.blogspot.com/2...st-8-2007.html

    UPDATE 7 from JM's blog thanks to, you guessed it, PG15

    Anonymous #1 writes: “Will Shep's ex wife be mentioned in the backstory?”

    Answer: She will be making an appearance.
    http://josephmallozzi.blogspot.com/2...st-9-2007.html

    UPDATE 8 thanks to Redhooks!

    PG15 also writes: “…mind telling us the episode order for the second half of Season 4?”

    Answer: Be All My Sins Remember’d, Spoils of War, Quarantine, Outcast, Trio, Midway, Harmony, Kindred I, Kindred II, Finale.
    http://josephmallozzi.blogspot.com/2...t-13-2007.html

    UPDATE 9 Just some confirmation on the episode title:

    Yet Another Flanigan Fan writes: “Is "Outcast" the Sheppard backstory episode proposed by Joe Flanigan and written by Alan McCullough?”

    Answer: Yep.
    http://josephmallozzi.blogspot.com/2...t-14-2007.html

    UPDATE 10 Hm...I wonder who...

    Marty G. pitched out a special guest star for Outcast, a character we haven’t seen since his debilitating injury in season. Won’t the fans be surprised. Well, probably not as I’m sure you’ve figured it out.
    http://josephmallozzi.blogspot.com/2...t-15-2007.html

    UPDATE 11

    O1 writes: “Can you give us a hint about outcast and whether it is going to be an action episode, a character driven episode or an angsty episode?”

    Answer: Hopefully, all of the above.
    http://josephmallozzi.blogspot.com/2...t-16-2007.html

    UPDATE 12

    On the work front: shooting continues on the big team-up eppy, finished the polish on Harmony, almost finished my producer's cut of Kindred I as I await the completion of the Previously On sequence, an exhausted Martin completed his latest (and last) rewrite of Trio, read the first draft of Outcast, and watched the episode with the engagement scene (I have a feeling the fans will love it).
    http://josephmallozzi.blogspot.com/2...t-23-2007.html

    UPDATE 13 Looks like we may learn more about Sheppard's parents in this episode:

    Linzi writes: “Will we learn about Sheppard's parents? That is to say, will we find out if they're dead or alive?”

    Answer: We will.
    http://josephmallozzi.blogspot.com/2...t-27-2007.html

    UPDATE 14 Finally a new update

    PG15 writes: “Which episodes have yet to be filmed? Are all of the episodes being written/finished being written?”

    Answer: Outcast is being re-written as we speak and there’s a first draft out of the season finale, The Last Man. We are partway through filming Harmony and will be moving on to Trio next. Outcast will follow Trio and then we’ll be finishing up with season finale.
    http://josephmallozzi.blogspot.com/2...er-2-2007.html

    UPDATE 15 A little more from JM's today:

    Jedi writes: “Will we find out if Sheppard has any siblings in S4?”

    Answer: We will in Outcast.
    Redtwin writes: “Why is "Outcast" being rewritten?”

    Answer: No script is perfect in its first draft so, yes, all scripts are rewritten to various degrees
    http://josephmallozzi.blogspot.com/2...er-3-2007.html

    UPDATE 16

    Paul is now doing is pass on Outcast.
    http://josephmallozzi.blogspot.com/2...er-4-2007.html

    UPDATE 17 Here's one for the whumpers! Courtesy of PG15

    PG15 writes: “1) Can we expect some major Emotional Shep Whump (ESW) in Outcast? 2) In fact, would you say that season four has more Shep whumping than the other seasons?..."

    Answers: 1) There will be definitely be some emotional shep whump in Outcast. 2) Yes.
    http://josephmallozzi.blogspot.com/2...er-5-2007.html

    UPDATE 18 Just a little one
    And while they were shooting, I was in the office reading Paul’s pass on Outcast (offering up a more vulnerable side of Sheppard),
    http://josephmallozzi.blogspot.com/2...er-6-2007.html

    UPDATE 19 Again, nothing huge

    Susan the Turtle writes: “Does this mean your big trip to the great outdoors is at an end?”

    Answer: Yup. Trio will take place on our standing set while Outcast will take me out and about again, but to heavily forested surroundings.
    http://josephmallozzi.blogspot.com/2...er-8-2007.html

    UPDATE 20 Hehe just some clarification....

    Ruffles writes: “ Since the shoot of Harmony seems to have been in heavily forested surroundings, did you mean to say that Outcast would NOT take you there?”

    Answer: Oops. Yes, that’s what I meant.
    http://josephmallozzi.blogspot.com/2...er-9-2007.html

    UPDATE 21 MASSIVE update from the Gateworld main page concerning the main plot points of the episode.
    UPDATE 22 Bates is back!!!! Thank you to TheWarrior for the heads up.
    UPDATE 23 Art Department stuff
    UPDATE 24 Thank you prion
    UPDATE 25 Park scene!
    UPDATE 26 HUUUUUGE Update, Ex-Wife scene and more!
    UPDATE 27 More Updates
    UPDATE 28 More pics
    Last edited by Xicer; September 25, 2007, 05:48 PM.
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    #2
    Hehe, I was just starting a thread on this when I thought to myself, "Xicer is probably a step ahead of me at this point" and viewed the forum again, just in case. Sure enough, there you are.

    I was gonna call it "Untitled JF Pitch" though, just to change it up a little.

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      #3
      That's probably a better title, should make it so it's not so similar to the other thread. I'll see if I can get the mods to change the thread name.
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        #4
        Sounds good

        However its still early days, Ephinany sounded good too early on, but then they kept having to make compromises on the script and in the end no one was happy (least of all JF)
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          #5
          Definitely sounds interesting! Looking forward to more details. And yes, I hope it doesn't turn out like Epiphany did.
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            #6
            Originally posted by Steve_the_Wraith View Post
            Sounds good

            However its still early days, Ephinany sounded good too early on, but then they kept having to make compromises on the script and in the end no one was happy (least of all JF)
            Oh I really do hope that we end up with an epsiode that JF is happy with and they dont mess his idea around too much.

            I am looking forward to this one very much - I cant wait to get hold of some more spoilers.

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              #7
              Originally posted by Sheppard's Delight View Post
              Oh I really do hope that we end up with an epsiode that JF is happy with and they dont mess his idea around too much.

              I am looking forward to this one very much - I cant wait to get hold of some more spoilers.
              *cough*

              Spoiler:




              I'm really looking forward to this, and it sounds as if it's weaved into a story rather than it being the story. So i'm looking forward to some nice heartfelt emotional scenes ala Sateda. And even if we only get to learn a couple of things why his character is like he is, then i'd be content.

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                Originally posted by Steve_the_Wraith View Post
                Sounds good

                However its still early days, Ephinany sounded good too early on, but then they kept having to make compromises on the script and in the end no one was happy (least of all JF)
                I remember though I loved that ep. I hope this turns out well.
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Pegasus_SGA View Post
                  *cough*

                  Spoiler:




                  I'm really looking forward to this, and it sounds as if it's weaved into a story rather than it being the story. So i'm looking forward to some nice heartfelt emotional scenes ala Sateda. And even if we only get to learn a couple of things why his character is like he is, then i'd be content.
                  ITA. But what do you think will bring him to Earth? I have a feeling McKay will be going with him, but that's just a hunch. Do you think he'll have charges brought against him for what happened in Return I?
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by scifi_lemon View Post
                    ITA. But what do you think will bring him to Earth? I have a feeling McKay will be going with him, but that's just a hunch. Do you think he'll have charges brought against him for what happened in Return I?
                    After more than a year? Why would they do that? Wouldn't they have relieved him of duty immediately if that was the case?

                    But I hope you're right about Rodney being the one who goes back with him.
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                      #11
                      Some stuff about the ep from Joe today:

                      Anonymous #1 writes: “ I'm very excited about the Joe Flanigan pitched script. So when he comes to you with one, is it just a vague idea that all the writers hash out or does he have a more developed plot ?”

                      Answer: In this case, it was a very vague idea that we are hashing out.

                      Anonymous #3 writes: “On the Shep back story and going to earth, very cool. Its got to be pretty drastic, we're talking about a guy who didn't feel the need to send a message home to anyone with everyone else, nor has shown to have any links back on Earth that he wishes to keep.”

                      Answer: Indeed. Odd, no?
                      http://josephmallozzi.blogspot.com/2...y-22-2007.html

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                        #12
                        Yeah just read them. Sounding more interesting even though it is still in its very early stages.
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                          #13
                          Answer: Indeed. Odd, no?
                          Very odd! And Yay!!!!! I'm getting more and more hopeful that we'll actually get some answers about Shep's past here.
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Killdeer View Post
                            Very odd! And Yay!!!!! I'm getting more and more hopeful that we'll actually get some answers about Shep's past here.
                            ITA. It's about time! Can't wait!
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                              #15
                              His little comment about "Odd, no?" really fills me with hope - it suggests that a) they are aware that this is an issue - one that needs answering, not glossing over - and b) they intend to reference it/deal with it in this ep!

                              Woot!
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