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    Originally posted by kali1 View Post
    Wouldn't it had been part of Keller's duties as a doctor, to tell Shep that Teyla is pregnant? Keller would have had the right, as a Doctor, to restrict her duties and limiting her off world activities, etc., etc.
    No. Patient confidentiality overrides most things. In RL, doctors are only allowed to break it in very limited circumstances. She would have had the right to relieve her (although on what authority I'm not sure as Teyla is not part of the expedition) although not to tell shep why. In RL he would question that decision and just ask Teyla

    EDIT: In fact, if you follow my line of reasoning there, I suppose Keller is not actually bound by any laws (as such) regarding Teyla. So she perhaps could tell people without getting into trouble herself, although to retain any credibility she really shouldn't. Oh wait, credibility for Keller wouldn't be a leap, more like a launch into orbit
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      Originally posted by Reefgirl View Post
      Did you expect anything else from me?
      I know you as an Apprentice knows their Master (that's a "No")

      Originally posted by gateraid View Post
      As a guy, I would add to that that while I appreciate looking at hotties, if they are written poorly, all the eye-candy in the world won't make me continue watching (see Smallville, Dr Keller). I found Weir attractive, but also liked her personality, hence her being one of my favs, period. I still would have liked her if she was less attractive. I hope. IDK - depends how shallow I really am I guess. Putting characters in who are clearly there for the eye-candy aspect just irritates me. I don't watch SGA for that - I want to be entertained as well.
      And I also like Teyla and Kate, 'cause they are (were) these smart wise women, who used their brains a lot more than Shep, for example

      Originally posted by Willow'sCat View Post
      More Teyla!?! Imho the "more" Teyla was all about
      Spoiler:

      her baby, from Ronon's are you over doing it line while she was on a bloody exercise bike to the way John sounded like he wanted to put her in cotton fraking wool!

      I knew this story line, this development would make Teyla into the Madonna (no not that one)
      I think they put women's rights back to the 1950s in this episode. Actually it was more like "come on men we have to protect the women folk" whether they want the protection or not.
      Originally posted by gateraid View Post
      Yup. It is written by men though. Some men are a bit prehistoric Lol.
      I disagree with that. You see, my mom is a perfect parent, except for one crazy stunt she pulled 6 weeks before I was supposed to be born. Trust me: You don't want to live with my eyes or alveolars (hope I used the right term)

      Originally posted by gateraid View Post
      EDIT: hey I just realised that of the last four posters, the two guys (myself and mcbarr) have been talking about character quality and dynamics, while the two girls (marielabbot and falcon horus) have been talking about teh hotties. And they say only guys have a one track mind......
      When a woman tells me:"You men are pigs", I have every right to say:"You women are no better" because of a situation I had to go through a few years back

      Originally posted by Jackie View Post
      I would say it's the special effects that eating up the budget. Everything is computer and miniaturized--with big, massive explosions and lots of shooting. Action scenes take up a tremendous amount of time and money.

      I also recall a behind the scene ep where AT was talking about the massive budget for special effects. I believe she stated something along the lines of: "This show spend a huge amount of money of computer generated special effects and I only get this much (holds two fingers close) for hair product.
      I remember one of the behind the scenes episode stating: "One staff blast = 5000 Dollars"

      Originally posted by Jackie View Post
      Part of Teyla's issues is that she was totally, completely, utterly ignored for 2 seasons. Then after TPTB let go of 2 big cast members and she announced she was expecting they didn't really what to do with her. Imagine the uproar of Teyla had actually taken the whole season off to have her little boy on top of losing TH and PM? OMG, the sky would be falling!
      Just shows how incompetent TPTBs are

      Originally posted by Jackie View Post
      So, now they have to utilize her and since they didn't really know how to utilize her, they used the baby in the story. Needless to say, writing for Teyla is coming across very weak. First they played the: "No one knows but Teyla and doc." card. Then they still shot around the pregnancy for months, she has been showing for sometime and not addressing it sooner only makes the show look weak.

      Finally they do address it and get the classic, "Teyla endangers her baby--who has a super mind"" apparently--to the Wraith.
      Exactly

      Originally posted by marielabbott View Post
      RL won't be in some eps, right, because of her maternity leave? Maybe this is exactly what the writers will have Teyla do. I'm getting concerned about how they will handle the baby after it's born, after they made such a big deal about how her priorities have shifted now. I mean, if I had a kid, especially if I was a single mom, I wouldn't put myself into mortal danger on a regular basis, unless I had a really, really good reason. So will Teyla? They had better not take her off the team and the reason she continues on the team had better be believable.

      And no kidnapping of the baby, or mutant abilities. Please.
      Don't worry. With such a mother, the kid will get a kill-off before too long

      Originally posted by alyssa View Post
      So RL on maternity leave, and Joe and Jason possibly not being available if the SAG actors go out on strike.

      Hmmm. Could be an interesting year. Maybe they were a little hasty in sacking two Canadians...
      You've made your bed, now sleep in it, JM!

      Originally posted by marielabbott View Post
      Ooops, I meant I think RL will be missing from some eps this season. No word on next season, though it's possible. If the SAG actors go on strike...I can't see them going forward with production, unless they're smoking crack over there.
      With the current TPTB squad, even that is possible

      Originally posted by kali1 View Post
      Well and they are also going to turn Teyla's baby into some sort of super baby. What got me in last nights eppy was when the Wraith Queen said (something along the effects of) "your minds are powerful". Come on! Her baby is what, 3 months old?
      TPTBs neglected the fact, that the more advanced neural pathways (that allow you to think and be self-aware) develop during the 5th and 6th month of pregnancy

      Originally posted by kali1 View Post
      Wouldn't it had been part of Keller's duties as a doctor, to tell Shep that Teyla is pregnant? Keller would have had the right, as a Doctor, to restrict her duties and limiting her off world activities, etc., etc.
      Originally posted by gateraid View Post
      No. Patient confidentiality overrides most things. In RL, doctors are only allowed to break it in very limited circumstances. She would have had the right to relieve her (although on what authority I'm not sure as Teyla is not part of the expedition) although not to tell shep why. In RL he would question that decision and just ask Teyla

      EDIT: In fact, if you follow my line of reasoning there, I suppose Keller is not actually bound by any laws (as such) regarding Teyla. So she perhaps could tell people without getting into trouble herself, although to retain any credibility she really shouldn't. Oh wait, credibility for Keller wouldn't be a leap, more like a launch into orbit
      In the military, the doctor has the duty to tell the CO about anyhing that could affect the subordinate's ability to perform his/her duty. This doctor's duty overrides patient confidentiality, so if both Keller and Teyla were in the military, Sheppard would most likely be the second person to know about the kid (Keller would be the first)

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        Originally posted by Pajus View Post
        Don't worry. With such a mother, the kid will get a kill-off before too long

        In the military, the doctor has the duty to tell the CO about anyhing that could affect the subordinate's ability to perform his/her duty. This doctor's duty overrides patient confidentiality, so if both Keller and Teyla were in the military, Sheppard would most likely be the second person to know about the kid (Keller would be the first)
        That first bit actually made me gasp, then laugh really really hard.
        NB: I've actually finished writing this and it still makes me laugh!

        I'll take your word for it on the 2nd point (tbh it doesn't really matter, tptb seem to have thrown protocol out the window of late). But Keller is not military, nor is Teyla; Shep is the only military member of SGA-1, so you could make the arguement that Keller could withhold the info. I think in the case of pregnancy it is somewhat moot (as opposed to having a contagious illness or something) as it becomes apparent fairly quickly.
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          Originally posted by gateraid View Post
          That first bit actually made me gasp, then laugh really really hard.
          NB: I've actually finished writing this and it still makes me laugh!
          The sad thing is, that I wasn't kidding at all

          Originally posted by gateraid View Post
          I'll take your word for it on the 2nd point (tbh it doesn't really matter, tptb seem to have thrown protocol out the window of late). But Keller is not military, nor is Teyla; Shep is the only military member of SGA-1, so you could make the arguement that Keller could withhold the info. I think in the case of pregnancy it is somewhat moot (as opposed to having a contagious illness or something) as it becomes apparent fairly quickly.
          Keller and Teyla are not military, so that means Keller would have to respect Teyla's wishes on that one.

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            Originally posted by Pajus View Post
            I disagree with that. You see, my mom is a perfect parent, except for one crazy stunt she pulled 6 weeks before I was supposed to be born. Trust me: You don't want to live with my eyes or alveolars (hope I used the right term)



            When a woman tells me:"You men are pigs", I have every right to say:"You women are no better" because of a situation I had to go through a few years back
            Well in RL it's a bit murky on that. These days you can't really claim ignorance on the effects of actions while pregnant (whether deliberate or accidental). While I might think at times "you shouldn't be doing that", it is also a woman's choice. Who am I to tell anyone how they should live their life? Or lives in this case.

            As to beings pigs, I'd have to say it's evenly split on that, it's just that people tend not to say anything about the subtle pig action from women. Men of course are more obvious.


            In the military, the doctor has the duty to tell the CO about anyhing that could affect the subordinate's ability to perform his/her duty. This doctor's duty overrides patient confidentiality, so if both Keller and Teyla were in the military, Sheppard would most likely be the second person to know about the kid (Keller would be the first)
            Originally posted by Pajus View Post
            The sad thing is, that I wasn't kidding at all

            Keller and Teyla are not military, so that means Keller would have to respect Teyla's wishes on that one.
            Well in RL most people say something at 12wks, and the fact that she didn't makes me worry that TPTB are thinking along the those lines too. Just not with the same hilarity
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              Originally posted by gateraid View Post
              hey I just realised that of the last four posters, the two guys (myself and mcbarr) have been talking about character quality and dynamics, while the two girls (marielabbot and falcon horus) have been talking about teh hotties. And they say only guys have a one track mind......
              Shame on you, ladies!

              Originally posted by ToasterOnFire View Post
              Also, I didn't understand why Teyla was so bent on staying with the main team in order to find the Athosians. Why would the main team be the only one who could find them? (outside of "OMG, Shep's team ALWAYS finds EVERYTHING cool" that TPTB have going on) Surely she could take another team and work on finding them, no Shep needed, no need to go running into a wraith ship? What about leaving the teams behind and looking for the Athosians herself? Because the way the past 2 eps were written implies that Teyla needs Shep's permission to do anything offworld, and I have no idea why she can't just tell him to sod off and strike out on her own if she really wants to.
              Because TPTB think the SG-1 formula is the best thing EVAH! So it's team, team, team, and nothing but the team for these guys.

              Originally posted by Falcon Horus View Post
              Well, that would officially be the off-screen writing... It would be easier for TPTB who can play with the boys all they like that way. But, it would also mean no more Teyla... I'm pretty sure of it.

              Gah... I hate how TPTB treat that character. Zero respect they have!
              TPTB's favorite.

              Originally posted by Jackie View Post
              I would say it's the special effects that eating up the budget. Everything is computer and miniaturized--with big, massive explosions and lots of shooting. Action scenes take up a tremendous amount of time and money.

              I also recall a behind the scene ep where AT was talking about the massive budget for special effects. I believe she stated something along the lines of: "This show spend a huge amount of money of computer generated special effects and I only get this much (holds two fingers close) for hair product.

              I certainly wouldn't place blame on AT for taking up the budget--to be honest I wouldn't be surprised if DH got more than her. I think the budget goes to tptb and the main stars of the show, DH and a little to JF.

              I also wouldn't be surprised if DH get's his sister on SGA full time for season 5...I really get the feeling KH is coming back for a much longer stay.

              Let's not assume AT is getting extra perks when in fact she has only 14 eps.
              Go pick on Integra for starting it! I just mentioned the new expenses to afflict SGA this season.

              Originally posted by marielabbott View Post
              And no kidnapping of the baby, or mutant abilities. Please.
              Originally posted by kali1 View Post
              Well and they are also going to turn Teyla's baby into some sort of super baby. What got me in last nights eppy was when the Wraith Queen said (something along the effects of) "your minds are powerful". Come on! Her baby is what, 3 months old?
              They did it twice on SG-1 (Sha're and Vala). They will do it again.

              Originally posted by alyssa View Post
              So RL on maternity leave, and Joe and Jason possibly not being available if the SAG actors go out on strike.

              Hmmm. Could be an interesting year. Maybe they were a little hasty in sacking two Canadians...
              Originally posted by marielabbott View Post
              Ooops, I meant I think RL will be missing from some eps this season. No word on next season, though it's possible. If the SAG actors go on strike...I can't see them going forward with production, unless they're smoking crack over there.
              Originally posted by Ruined_puzzle View Post
              But JM has said that they will continue if there is a SAG strike. He said something about trying to find ways that Ronon and Shep would be gone. Maybe all it took for Shep to think of a plan to get Weir back was for the actors to go on strike.
              Atlantis Command - Phase II.
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                Originally posted by mcbarr View Post
                They did it twice on SG-1 (Sha're and Vala). They will do it again.
                So much faith in TPTB...*giggle* IMHO, that would be the lamest of lame. *nod*

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                  Originally posted by dana View Post
                  So much faith in TPTB...*giggle* IMHO, that would be the lamest of lame. *nod*
                  No argument there.
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                    Originally posted by mcbarr View Post
                    Because TPTB think the SG-1 formula is the best thing EVAH! So it's team, team, team, and nothing but the team for these guys.
                    Yep and the same arguement could be made for Weir not going off-world more with a seperate team. I think also it would be a pain in the ass to shoot as double the location time, double the set up and so on, which may be why they didn't go down that path. And it would take the focus away from the 'star'. NB I'm being serious, people might think Teyla is a better star, and might get her own spin off show Stargate: Athosians

                    They did it twice on SG-1 (Sha're and Vala). They will do it again.
                    Third times the charm, no? RepliWeir? Clone team? Artificial Intelligence taking control of the computers? (I'm not being too harsh, I realise there are only 7 ideas in sci-fi, as MG said)

                    Atlantis Command - Phase II.
                    It also featured Carter in an awkward role.
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                      Originally posted by gateraid View Post
                      Yep and the same arguement could be made for Weir not going off-world more with a seperate team. I think also it would be a pain in the ass to shoot as double the location time, double the set up and so on, which may be why they didn't go down that path. And it would take the focus away from the 'star'. NB I'm being serious, people might think Teyla is a better star, and might get her own spin off show Stargate: Athosians
                      The first ten episodes of that would be one long black screen, 'cause the Athosians are "sorrounded by darkness" (I still hate that KotOR2 rip-off). On the other hand: It would be really cheap to shoot that

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                        Originally posted by Pajus View Post
                        I know you as an Apprentice knows their Master (that's a "No")
                        I always say you know me too well

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                          Originally posted by gateraid View Post
                          Yep and the same arguement could be made for Weir not going off-world more with a seperate team. I think also it would be a pain in the ass to shoot as double the location time, double the set up and so on, which may be why they didn't go down that path. And it would take the focus away from the 'star'. NB I'm being serious, people might think Teyla is a better star, and might get her own spin off show Stargate: Athosians
                          No pain, no gain. And yet again, team mentality/monopoly... One team cannot coexist (God forbid, compete) with THE team.

                          Originally posted by gateraid View Post
                          Third times the charm, no? RepliWeir? Clone team? Artificial Intelligence taking control of the computers? (I'm not being too harsh, I realise there are only 7 ideas in sci-fi, as MG said)
                          What's next? Holodecks?

                          Originally posted by gateraid View Post
                          It also featured Carter in an awkward role.
                          It sure did.
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                            Originally posted by mcbarr View Post
                            Go pick on Integra for starting it! I just mentioned the new expenses to afflict SGA this season.
                            Yeah, go pick on Integra for always being right . Should I help you bully him?

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                              Originally posted by Integrabyte View Post
                              Yeah, go pick on Integra for always being right . Should I help you bully him?
                              So Sheppard's gel and McKay's gadgets are the reason the Wraith look awful this season?
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                                Originally posted by mcbarr View Post
                                So Sheppard's gel and McKay's gadgets are the reason the Wraith look awful this season?
                                ...and Keller's teeth whitening sessions ....

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