The Anti Season 4 Thread (Spoilers). For complaints and misgivings ONLY.

[Reefgirl]

Oh what surprise, my posting's gone too, Sometimes I wonder why we bother

[Luz]

In your opinion. BTW, cut the crap, or I'll kick your virtual ass.

The DVR crap is only used by those in desperate need of a flimsy excuse for their lousy ratings.

Say, if SGA's ratings were a healthy 2.0 or 1.8, would anybody be bothering with the DVR crap? no, why? because excuses for the awful ratings wouldn't be needed.

Desperation leads to ridiculous excuses, i.e "the dog ate my homework", "I was in the moon with Steve, I was dead at the time", "buh! but look at DVR, live+5746 days after".

[justhere1971]

Lousy enough to get picked up for another season. Yeah they must be really Lousy. I bet SCI FI said oh yeah we are losing money on the show but we'll renew it anyway.

Brian, seriously I believe you. There must be something there. I mean the logical side of me things - in these days of technology how can DVR not be taken into account.

Then -- no one will be convinced here, as you've seen. Just let it be.

[ToasterOnFire]

I do think that DVR is important, but how important is another matter. We're missing C3 values and because of that we don't know how much of the DVR number really counts toward the final rating. It could be 100%, it could be 50%, it could be 10%.

Likewise, we can't be sure that SGA was renewed because skiffy thinks the show is doing great. For all we know, SGA was renewed just to get 200 eps, or it was renewed because everything else on skiffy is doing poorly, or it was renewed because the skiffy PTB knew the WGA strike was coming and kept SGA to ensure new eps of something on their channel. And we can't go on skiffy announcements either - of course they would spin things to make their network and shows look great.

There are two sides to everything, as always.

[Luz]

FEEL THE ANTI LOVE PEOPLE.

Hey if we get people posting in this thread, maybe there's a reason they like to pay attention to us. Maybe they are not as secure as they claim. What does it matter to anyone else, if they were so very secure, what a small group of people said in a message board?

You're completely right, I wonder too, if they are so sure of what they sprout as 'facts' (and here is a little bit of info your opinion =/= fact) then why does it bother them so much what we say here? I think it's because deep inside they know there is a speckle of truth and feel threatened.

[dana]

I do think that DVR is important, but how important is another matter. We're missing C3 values and because of that we don't know how much of the DVR number really counts toward the final rating. It could be 100%, it could be 50%, it could be 10%.

Likewise, we can't be sure that SGA was renewed because skiffy thinks the show is doing great. For all we know, SGA was renewed just to get 200 eps, or it was renewed because everything else on skiffy is doing poorly, or it was renewed because the skiffy PTB knew the WGA strike was coming and kept SGA to ensure new eps of something on their channel. And we can't go on skiffy announcements either - of course they would spin things to make their network and shows look great.

There are two sides to everything, as always.

Aargh, that would be 100 eps! Imagine it running for another 5 years *LAS*

[mcbarr]

Aargh, that would be 100 eps! Imagine it running for another 5 years *LAS*

LOL!

[Briangate78]

Brian, seriously I believe you. There must be something there. I mean the logical side of me things - in these days of technology how can DVR not be taken into account.

Then -- no one will be convinced here, as you've seen. Just let it be.

I appreciate that, and I agree. But I don't like when my name comes up. If people let it go, then I will. Simple as that.

I do think that DVR is important, but how important is another matter. We're missing C3 values and because of that we don't know how much of the DVR number really counts toward the final rating. It could be 100%, it could be 50%, it could be 10%.

Likewise, we can't be sure that SGA was renewed because skiffy thinks the show is doing great. For all we know, SGA was renewed just to get 200 eps, or it was renewed because everything else on skiffy is doing poorly, or it was renewed because the skiffy PTB knew the WGA strike was coming and kept SGA to ensure new eps of something on their channel. And we can't go on skiffy announcements either - of course they would spin things to make their network and shows look great.

There are two sides to everything, as always.

Well some other facts. SGA is pulling in higher numbers and ratings than the network average for the year so that can also be a factor. I strongly do not believe it the WGA strike. Flash would be getting renewed in a heartbeat if that was the case.

[parisindy]

Paris

Yours was deleted because it came 15 minutes after i told you guys to take your personal stuff off the thread.

Pegasus, if you can't keep it on topic, keep it out of here.

Both of you want to clear the air with each other, take it to pm.

agreed i do think my post should have been deleted for off topic... it just bothers me when other off topic posts on the same subject are are allowed.

FEEL THE ANTI LOVE PEOPLE.

Hey if we get people posting in this thread, maybe there's a reason they like to pay attention to us. Maybe they are not as secure as they claim. What does it matter to anyone else, if they were so very secure, what a small group of people said in a message board?

amen... i do not go in to pro thread and spout how wrong they are

The DVR crap is only used by those in desperate need of a flimsy excuse for their lousy ratings.

Say, if SGA's ratings were a healthy 2.0 or 1.8, would anybody be bothering with the DVR crap? no, why? because excuses for the awful ratings wouldn't be needed.

Desperation leads to ridiculous excuses, i.e "the dog ate my homework", "I was in the moon with Steve, I was dead at the time", "buh! but look at DVR, live+5746 days after".

I do think that DVR is important, but how important is another matter. We're missing C3 values and because of that we don't know how much of the DVR number really counts toward the final rating. It could be 100%, it could be 50%, it could be 10%.

Likewise, we can't be sure that SGA was renewed because skiffy thinks the show is doing great. For all we know, SGA was renewed just to get 200 eps, or it was renewed because everything else on skiffy is doing poorly, or it was renewed because the skiffy PTB knew the WGA strike was coming and kept SGA to ensure new eps of something on their channel. And we can't go on skiffy announcements either - of course they would spin things to make their network and shows look great.

There are two sides to everything, as always.

I agree with both Luz and FH

What i don't get is why DVR only seems important for Atlantis. (My Opinion is because they aren't important). You don't really hear any other shows talking about it... DVR are an important thing to monitor but they hold no real value at this point in time...

[Luz]

Aargh, that would be 100 eps! Imagine it running for another 5 years *LAS*

They have Keller and Carter to make sure that doesn't happen, do not fret they'll get rid of SGA in no time.

[Pajus]

btw. it's a quote from AoT

My point exactly

Do me a favor. Never ever talk about me and the facts that I post is untrue. Because, it is a personal lash at me. Comments like this is the reason why I have been so assertive to get the FACTS about the ratings. I know the show is doing well. It's people like you that makes me have to provide the overall picture and the facts for other members. You see it's kinda weird, there are people who actually want to see the show succeed, funny huh? I would of never guessed that on a SGA forum. Sky said I am allowed to post facts and evidence if something is being distorted. Again, to say DVR is not counted is false.

When I take the (live) numbers form S1 and compare to them to the (DVR) numbers in S4, my calculator says that SGA lost (a little over) 200,000 viewers (based on your posts and these are actually the results of my more optimistic calculations), so give me a break, will ya?

Lousy enough to get picked up for another season. Yeah they must be really Lousy. I bet SCI FI said oh yeah we are losing money on the show but we'll renew it anyway.

Did it occur to you, that the other shows on Sci-fi are pulling lousy numbers as well? Did it occur to you that there was a threat of an indefinite strike by the WGA when the decision was made?

[mcbarr]

What i don't get is why DVR only seems important for Atlantis. (My Opinion is because they aren't important). You don't really hear any other shows talking about it... DVR are an important thing to monitor but they hold no real value at this point in time...

DVR numbers are a bonus... In no way, they downgrade the relevance of live ratings (IMO, of course).

[ToasterOnFire]

Aargh, that would be 100 eps! Imagine it running for another 5 years *LAS*

Oh duh, I added an extra 100 in there. No way SGA is getting to 200.

Well some other facts. SGA is pulling in higher numbers and ratings than the network average for the year so that can also be a factor.

It certainly could and that could be the real reason it got renewed. But since we don't have access to skiffy's decision making process, we really don't know if SGA got the renewal nod because it was doing great or because it was barely eeking by according to them.

I strongly do not believe it the WGA strike. Flash would be getting renewed in a heartbeat if that was the case.

Oh, the WGA strike is real and serious. From the rumblings I've heard, there may not be a 2008 fall season if this keeps up. Skiffy will be very happy to have SGA and even possibly give it a s6 just to keep new eps coming in.

(Though I've heard that the SAG may go on strike soon too, and that this could possibly affect Joe F and JM? Hmmm...a s5 without Shep. The anti couch would be quite big, methinks. )

And you can't really compare SGA to Flash - Flash was a bomb through and through. SGA isn't bombing, but I'm saying that it isn't doing peachy keen either. Also, keep in mind that once BSG ends SGA will be the most expensive show for the network. That puts added pressure on the show to get great ratings compared to cheaper shows like GHI.

[Pajus]

DVR numbers are a bonus... In no way, they downgrade the relevance of live ratings (IMO, of course).

The important thing is what opinion the advertisers have about DVRs. They pay the whole thing, so it's really their opinion that matters

[mcbarr]

The important thing is what opinion the advertisers have about DVRs. They pay the whole thing, so it's really their opinion that matters

True.