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**Luz** · 23 December 2007, 12:50 PM

Originally posted by Falcon Horus View Post

Can you blame them? If Kate were still a part of SGA I would probably feel different some how. Teyla just doesn't have that same affect on me, as Kate did. Not saying I don't love her just as much, but Kate was the most favorite one.

I'd still be watching if Elizabeth was in it, perhaps tptb did me a favor by getting rid of her, or I'd still be putting up with the load of crap that comes with watching the stinking pile of droppings SGA has become.

As it is I can't gather enough energy to even criticize it now, it's just not worthy of wasting time I could be spending on better and more rewarding activities.

The most I can give is a "meh! sucks, bleh!".

**Integrabyte** · 23 December 2007, 12:54 PM

Originally posted by Luz View Post

I'd still be watching if Elizabeth was in it, perhaps tptb did me a favor by getting rid of her, or I'd still be putting up with the load of crap that comes with watching the stinking pile of droppings SGA has become.

As it is I can't gather enough energy to even criticize it now, it's just not worthy of wasting time I could be spending on better and more rewarding activities.

The most I can give is a "meh! sucks, bleh!".

So Elizabeth will make up for a bad plot ?

**Anuna** · 23 December 2007, 01:05 PM

Again, I must conclude that this is the most entertaining and most intelligent thread around. I'm happy to be part of it.

Originally posted by Falcon Horus View Post

Here are the results of the screen- and wordcount for the first season of Stargate Atlantis (yes, I have too much time on my hands at the moment):

Spoiler:

Respect for that work, FH! Those are really interesting results. What caught my eye first is the fact that David has more wordcount than Joe, but then, McKay is talking fast and talking a LOT, and Joe does have more screentime. Yet, the fact that those two have biggest wordcount and most of the screentime shows whom the writers prefer. Like FH said, if you're not Sheppard or McKay, then you're not important on this show.

Originally posted by ToasterOnFire View Post

snip, snip ...

It's sad - I have zero interest in watching the leaked AoT. I couldn't even finish s10 of SG1. Scary to think that I could feel the same way about SGA someday...

I couldn't finish S9, let alone S10. I'm not interested in AoT, Continuum, or anything else SG - 1 related (except for old episodes I like to rewatch)... and it happened with SGA too. Sad, but true.

Originally posted by alyssa View Post

Well that's interesting. It really kills the anti-Weir people's argument that all she did was say "good luck" as they were going through the gate. She had more screen time than everyone except Joe and David, which, to be honest is to be expected.

If they wanted to get rid of a character who sat around doing nothing, they should have picked someone else.

It'd be interesting to see how her season three figures were. I think she did quite a bit -- certainly more screen time than Ronon and Teyla, but still there are those who believe they had more time on camera because they're 'part of the team'.

I'm also interested in S2 and S3 figures. Weir isn't just anybody, people seem to forget she was the leading female role... heck for me she still is that, and I refuse to watch S4. She had the moments, she made decisions, she made the difference and she was a part of the damned team too, just like Carson and Radek and Lorne and Kate... just because they are not in the "team Sheppard" it doesn't mean they are less important. Grow up folks. SGA isn't SG - 1. Or that used to be the case.

Originally posted by Integrabyte View Post

Nobody likes to be wrong

. We ANTIS are always right no matter what

True!

No matter what anybody says we can be ANTI!

Originally posted by Gregorius View Post

"Get your facts first, and then you can distort them as much as you please." ~ Mark Twain.

Never trust statistics you didn't forge yourself. ~ Joe Armstrong, if I'm not mistaken.

Originally posted by Southern Red View Post

I think you just hit on what has been bothering me so much this season. So many things are happening off screen, yet on screen most of the time not much is going on. I know you don't have to have action, explosions and nailbiting suspense all the time, but something just seems to be missing. We hear about the progress of this huge war but we have yet to see any of it that I can recall. I may have missed something as my mind has tended to wander when watching S4 which never used to happen. This used to be the shortest hour of the week. Now I find myself looking at the clock halfway through.

PTB should watch complete seven seasons of Star Trek Deep Space Nine to see how decent war is written, heck everything there was pure perfection, IMHO.

Originally posted by Celcool View Post

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That's the key. You know, no wonder really, if a producer insults fans on his blog, how can he treat fans any different in the way he writes his scripts? His attitude is expressed in his work. I didn't watch TMC but read the transcript today. I couldn't believe it, how many times JM made the characters say that Liz is gone. It was like he was rubbing it in, constantly reminding us just in case we start imagining the Elizabeth on screen is real. I mean, come on! He certainly could show a little of that human compassion he mentioned in the script from time to time.

That's a great point. It's very hard when you write something to hide completely behind your own work, or shall I say inside your work. One (or even more) of your characters speak for you. You can't out into your work what you don't have inside yourself as a person, so go figure... From my point of view, JM decided to rob us off a character that represented the most noble human values, a symbol of courage and personal excellence... now what does that say about him?!

**Integrabyte** · 23 December 2007, 01:06 PM

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**marielabbott** · 23 December 2007, 01:11 PM

Originally posted by Southern Red View Post

I agree, but most of the time I don't want to turn on my brain. I just want to see characters I like in plots I can enjoy. But writers,don't you insult my intelligence by doing stories that could have been written by the average 5th grader. Heroes, for example, has a great plot and is well written but there are very few characters that I care what happens to. Supernatural and The Closer have it all. Even the incidental characters who usually end up dead are great on Supernatural. House has writing that is so good you actually enjoy the unlikable characters just as much. S1 of SGA was like that. Then we began the slow decline.

Yeah, I'd like to see that too. You can't take a show that depends on its ensemble cast and simply plug in two new characters. If you make a move like that, it needs to be handled with a lot of care and forethought and I do not see that on SGA. The new characters are also negatively impacting the already established characters (Sheppard's never seemed more like an errand boy, etc.).

Originally posted by Gregorius View Post

Heroes has the problem that is was designed and written for a cast with a high turnover rate but became an esemble cast.

That is a problem for the show and they're going to have to solve it if they want to keep it on the air. If they kill too many characters I think it will turn people off, but if they have everyone coming back to life it becomes a different show than it was originally, and that will also annoy people. SGA seems to want to become like Heroes or another show with a high turnover cast, but to me it's always been much more like a Star Trek, where it's extremely rare that characters leave.

**Luz** · 23 December 2007, 01:13 PM

Originally posted by Integrabyte View Post

So Elizabeth will make up for a bad plot ?

Hey! I'm perfectly capable of watching a show for completely shallow reasons, as long as I have a reason I'll keep watching. When SGA got bad I kept watching because my favorite character was still there, had the plots been good enough I'd probably still be watching even without Elizabeth.

But since the show sucks, my favorite character isn't there and there aren't enough pretty people to keep my interest, I don't even have enough shallow reasons to watch, and believe me when I tell you I can be VERY shallow.

**Integrabyte** · 23 December 2007, 01:16 PM

Originally posted by Luz View Post

Hey!, I'm perfectly capable of watching a show for completely shallow reasons, as long as I have a reason I'll keep watching. When SGA got bad I kept watching because my favorite character was still there, had the plots been good enough I'd probably still be watching even without Elizabeth.

But since the show sucks, my favorite character isn't there and there aren't enough pretty people to keep my interest, I don't even have enough shallow reasons to watch, and believe me when I tell you I can be VERY shallow.

That does not sound nice

. Anyways, I know where you are coming from. I stay aboard because I still like a couple characters but they are committing suicide every time they have to play those 2 year old scripts. I make compromises too but there is a limit to this. Elizabeth was a good character, no doubt, but in towards the end of S3 she started being a back up singer.

**Anuna** · 23 December 2007, 01:22 PM

Originally posted by Luz View Post

Hey! I'm perfectly capable of watching a show for completely shallow reasons, as long as I have a reason I'll keep watching. When SGA got bad I kept watching because my favorite character was still there, had the plots been good enough I'd probably still be watching even without Elizabeth.

But since the show sucks, my favorite character isn't there and there aren't enough pretty people to keep my interest, I don't even have enough shallow reasons to watch, and believe me when I tell you I can be VERY shallow.

That's kinda my story too. The show lost things I was interested in seeing (please, nobody throw bricks at me, please). With Elizabeth gone, there is nothing to make me watch SGA. It's funny, that didn't happen with DS9 when my favorite character was killed off by the end of 6th season. That was handled very good, and the turnover that happened in S7 was also good. I liked the show for everything - characters, writing, plots... everything, and even with my fav character gone I still didn't lose the interest.

**Luz** · 23 December 2007, 01:23 PM

Originally posted by Integrabyte View Post

That does not sound nice

.

I know my weakness and I've accepted it, right now I'm obsessed with this anime, it's about sports, I find sports boring, and it's kind of ridiculous, but I still watch, why? because there are A LOT of pretty guys in it.

I'm not hard to please, you can't give me plot? fine, then give me teh pretteh and you'll have me there, I'm easily distracted by the shiny, and I regret NOTHING.

**Anuna** · 23 December 2007, 01:24 PM

Originally posted by Integrabyte View Post

That does not sound nice

. Anyways, I know where you are coming from. I stay aboard because I still like a couple characters but they are committing suicide every time they have to play those 2 year old scripts. I make compromises too but there is a limit to this. Elizabeth was a good character, no doubt, but in towards the end of S3 she started being a back up singer.

I guess certain producer has something to do with that.

Give me the shallow and I shall watch. Okay, that came out very wrong.

**Integrabyte** · 23 December 2007, 01:25 PM

Originally posted by Anuna View Post

I guess certain producer has something to do with that.

Give me the shallow and I shall watch. Okay, that came out very wrong.

We still love you

**Anuna** · 23 December 2007, 01:27 PM

Originally posted by Integrabyte View Post

We still love you

My heart is happy now!!

**Reefgirl** · 23 December 2007, 01:31 PM

Thinking about FH's breakdown of screentime and that, I'd like to see a 'John and Rodney lite' episode. The have what they call 'Dr Lite' episodes in Dr Who for the last 2 series anyway, one's where the Dr has very few scenes, admitedly I didn't care for Love and Monsters (That's because I think Peter Kay is a waste of space) but this year's Blink was fantastic, it gave the opportunity for other characters to shine and for the writers (in this case the incredibly brilliant Stephen Moffat) to show you don't have to rely on the main characters or CGI to carry the show, all this episode relied on was brilliant acting, a fabulous script, wonderful makeup and an creepy concept. If only they could do this with SGA, a little proof that there is more to the show that John and Rodney and maybe they could drag the viewers back with the promise of something original and fresh, I'd watch it.

**Integrabyte** · 23 December 2007, 01:34 PM

Originally posted by Anuna View Post

My heart is happy now!!

* Twenty bear hugs *

**Anuna** · 23 December 2007, 01:38 PM

Originally posted by Integrabyte View Post

* Twenty bear hugs *

*and twenty more*

I'd also like to point out that what happens during the given screentime is quite important. For example - Sheppard had least screentime in hot Zone, but what was there was (IMO) very good. He had significant effect on the plot there and that is what counts.

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