The Anti Season 4 Thread (Spoilers). For complaints and misgivings ONLY.

[poundpuppy29]

My only issue with Shep is when they Kirk him I love him otherwise his loyality to his friends are what I love about him the most and it looks like they may be doing that again this year the Kirking. I don't hate Sam I just don't want her on SGA as a regular as a guest would be ok. But I agree with Sky about JF.

[Anuna]

She is ok as long as he doesn't go kirking. It's dumbing him down, he is interesting enough without it.

[stclare]

She is ok as long as he doesn't go kirking. It's dumbing him down, he is interesting enough without it.

thats why this whole travellers set up worries me.

apart from the irries, its the kirk like eps next on my hit list sanctuary. i found it made me loose respect for shep. i much prefer him thinking with his brain than with his loins also where there is kirk theres also scantily clad women ((rolls eyes)) been there watched that and seen it all before

[Reefgirl]

pick a character, any character, and there's always someone ready to attack them for simply existing

*Ahem* Sam in Atlantis *Ahem*

[Skydiver]

yes, well, let's not go off topic please.

This is the venting haven for all things icky and unpleasant in s4, not the place to rag on other fen

[FoolishPleasure]

My only issue with Shep is when they Kirk him.

That was the big problem I had with him as well, but in season 3 TPTB seemed to tone that down big time. Shep isn't my fav character, but he is much improved over season 2. But Shep isn't the problem with this show - its the stinky writing full of plot holes and cutting of essential characters.

But TPTB will never admit they did something wrong that killed their own show. Heaven forbid!

[Skydiver]

they never did for s9 and 10

as far as they're concerned, the show was just fine and it's the fans who let them down

[Anuna]

That was the big problem I had with him as well, but in season 3 TPTB seemed to tone that down big time. Shep isn't my fav character, but he is much improved over season 2. But Shep isn't the problem with this show - its the stinky writing full of plot holes and cutting of essential characters.

But TPTB will never admit they did something wrong that killed their own show. Heaven forbid!

Actually the first character I liked and was interested in was Shep. In Rising he is lonely, sad and stubborn - obviously has some issues and seems pretty smart too. A winning combo. And then kirking happens. *shakes head* But Elizabeth earned my respect slowly and over time she set herself apart from everybody else, so to me she is the best over there.

[dana]

they never did for s9 and 10

as far as they're concerned, the show was just fine and it's the fans who let them down

Yah...but why did they let them down...hmmm...bad writing maybeeee? TPTB are delusional.

[ToasterOnFire]

I've never been all that interested in Shep and I downright despised when all the babes were throwing themselves at him in s2. He's kind of a Marty Stu - top pilot, super gene power, MENSA level intelligence, rebel yet everyone still loves him, all the chicks dig him - eh it was all too much.

I do like his strong, almost excessive attachment to his team, this undercurrent of sadness in him, and how he's so willing to sacrifice himself to save others, almost to the point of a death wish. Any or all of those aspects could be examined further to better flesh out his character.

[Vale_Sg1]

how about we nix Joe F being an honorary member please.

Just out of respect for him and his job and that, in the entertainment world, sometimes the difference between getting/not getting a job can be something as simple as 'dude, did you hear him blast his co-workers last year'

I am NOT suggesting that this would or will happen, just that, in the acting world, reputation can be just as important as skill when it comes to getting a job.

Y'all can quote his words, but please do not infer that you 'know what he means'...you don't. None of us do.

Let's please keep our speculation kept to his words only and let's not make joe an honorable member please. Just out of respect for him and his job

Aye aye!!

We'll just appreciate the fact that he seems to care about his co-workers and he's not afraid to say that aloud

[poundpuppy29]

I do like his strong, almost excessive attachment to his team, this undercurrent of sadness in him, and how he's so willing to sacrifice himself to save others, almost to the point of a death wish. Any or all of those aspects could be examined further to better flesh out his character.

ITA that's why I am so nervous about Travelers it is a step in the wrong direction for Shep if what I saw in the previews is the direction they are going they are going the Kirk route not going deeper into Shep.

[Southern Red]

Hmm. What's with all these people attacking the way he plays the character? I just went and had a look. It seems there are some who just like to attack Shep no matter what...

It's a mystery to me also. I think JF is a great actor, and I totally get what he meant by showing multi levels to his character. We don't want to see Shep sobbing into his pillow, but who can doubt that he cares after watching Lifeline and Doppelganger? I don't know too many actors who can show so much emotion without saying a word. Sometimes less is more.

That was the big problem I had with him as well, but in season 3 TPTB seemed to tone that down big time. Shep isn't my fav character, but he is much improved over season 2. But Shep isn't the problem with this show - its the stinky writing full of plot holes and cutting of essential characters.

But TPTB will never admit they did something wrong that killed their own show. Heaven forbid!

You nailed it right there. All the actors are doing a wonderful job with dreck.

I'm a little torn this year about the kirk stuff. I know I was one of the loudest mouths criticizing him in S2. It just seemed stupid and excessive, and even though others told me I was being stupid and excessive for thinking it was belittling to his character, I didn't change my mind. Last season he barely glanced at the buxom babes, and noone showed the least bit of interest in him as far as I recall. So, he's been a good boy for over a year. He's been through enough trauma in the last few months to destroy a weaker man and then this Larrin babe comes along. We don't know yet if he will act like a 15 year old like he did in The Tower or not, so I am reserving judgment. And frankly, though I don't know any other Sparky fan who agrees with me It's okay, I'm a big girl. I won't mind if he seeks a little comfort from her. It's basic human nature I think.

But on the other hand, it's true that TPTB aren't thinking along those lines. They can't seem to get beyond...hot babe..snurk snurk snurk drool.

[Pajus]

It is?

Sure it is.

I don't know how the US Air Force works, but if Sheppard was an officer in our army, his fate would develop as follows:

1. A couple of people from our General Staff would get the mission reports from the first year of the Atlantis expedition. I hope I don't need to say they would not be amused

2. They would order Sheppard to go back to Earth.

3. Once on Earth, they would court martial him for repeated insubordination and disrespectful behavior towards a superior officer and kick him out of the army. They would most definitely not care what Dr Weir said about him

4. They would pick another officer to take Sheppard's place in Atlantis and apologize to the IOA for sending an idiot to a position of such responsibility.

Just look at Sheppard! He's an offront to all good soldiers on this planet! And worst of all: He's already teaching his manners to Lorne!

[Anuna]

I've never been all that interested in Shep and I downright despised when all the babes were throwing themselves at him in s2. He's kind of a Marty Stu - top pilot, super gene power, MENSA level intelligence, rebel yet everyone still loves him, all the chicks dig him - eh it was all too much.

I do like his strong, almost excessive attachment to his team, this undercurrent of sadness in him, and how he's so willing to sacrifice himself to save others, almost to the point of a death wish. Any or all of those aspects could be examined further to better flesh out his character.

Gosh I am happy I am not the only one who thinks the same of him. I do like him for this never fully explored, troubled side of his persona. Now if TPTB wanted a darker season, one good thing to do would be exploring Sheppard's character and explaining why he is the way he is.