The Anti Season 4 Thread (Spoilers). For complaints and misgivings ONLY.

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Oops!

Ah well, everybody makes mistakes, even me

I really wonder what that episode is going to be about. Must be something about money-problems maybe.

Yeah! Maybe Weir is at Asuras airport, waiting to come home, but the expedition can't find the money to wire to her for her ticket, so she gets bored and wanders off. I hear flying thousands of light years is expensive

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Oops!

Ah well, everybody makes mistakes, even me

Yeah! Maybe Weir is at Asuras airport, waiting to come home, but the expidition can't find the money to wire to her for her ticket, so she gets bored and wanders off. I hear flying thousands of light years is expensive

LOL!!!

[Integrabyte]

Weir is bound to end up back in Atlantis with no explanation . This is the new thing in S4. One scene something happens and the next you have no idea where that came from . Guess nanites can explain everything

[Falcon Horus]

Weir is bound to end up back in Atlantis with no explanation . This is the new thing in S4. One scene something happens and the next you have no idea where that came from . Guess nanites can explain everything

All-knowing and all-powerful... Mmm, where have I heard that before? *ponders*

[Pitry]

I thought it was kinda obvious (especially with her "Adrift" example) that, although she is in 4 episodes, she doesn't get to do much in 2 of them.

Yup, that\s mopre or less what I figured, too.

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She really wasn't in Adrift, jsut lyign there lookign dying and unconscious. Waste of an episode -and I'm not encuoraged by the report one of her other performances would be similar!

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"Really 2, but technically 4." Uh huh.

Okay, time for some anti-math to go along with the anti-dictionary. Here is our equation: Really X = technically X

We know the answer to Elizabeth's equation. Anybody want to guess Teyla's? I'm worried since we've been promised lots of development for her. I believe the first two episodes qualify as

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part of the "technically" end of the equation. How many more will fall there?

For heaven's sake, why is it so hard?!? (not upset at you, just to make it clear) What is the point in leaving all the fans dangling forever? I tolerated it with Ford because he wasn't a central character. But please don't expect me to believe that Elizabeth is just out there somewhere for infinity and that the Atlantis team isn't moving heaven and earth to get her back. If they expect me to believe that John and Rodney are just going to forget about Elizabeth and never mention her again while she's still out there? No, I'm sorry - that stretches my suspension of disbelief far too far.

I think we're going to see just how much influence JF had on the scripts. He's already said he went to TPTB and told them they couldn't just forget about Elizabeth. I think we may have seen some evidence of this already in the first two episodes. The real proof, of course, will come as the season unfolds. Should be interesting. And like it or not, how I feel about season 4 will be hugely based on how they handle Elizabeth's absence. They have failed miserably so far with Carson. They can't just take away characters we have come to care about and expect us to just forget them in one or two episodes.

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I do believe that Caldwell will be back this season, though who knows in what capacity (AKA "real" eps vs. "technical" eps, sigh ). I loved the headbutting and power struggles that popped up with Caldwell, though I disliked how it was always Weir and Shep vs. Caldwell instead of Weir and Caldwell vs. Shep or Caldwell and Shep vs. Weir. Actually, I found it all too convenient that Weir and Shep had a minimal amount of problems after Hot Zone. TPTB said somewhere that it was because the fans didn't want conflict between those two, but seeing as how they've continually skirted writing conflict period in both SG1 and SGA I have a different theory.

Caldwell is listed for Be All My Sins Remember'd. Let's hope he gets some quality time!

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Okay, time for some anti-math to go along with the anti-dictionary. Here is our equation: Really X = technically X

We know the answer to Elizabeth's equation. Anybody want to guess Teyla's? I'm worried since we've been promised lots of development for her. I believe the first two episodes qualify as

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part of the "technically" end of the equation. How many more will fall there?

Oh word. Teyla has definitely had

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two "technical" episodes so far in s4.

So, one could define "technical" episodes as one where the character has minimal screentime and/or lines. Anyone want to guess how many "technical" episodes Elizabeth and Teyla have had in the past 60 episodes?

[nowvoyager908]

Okay, time for some anti-math to go along with the anti-dictionary. Here is our equation: Really X = technically X.

LOL. So now we can add real episodes vs. technical episodes to the dictionary. And anti-math. Solve for x, where x equals having no idea of what to do with a really great character, and giving him/her the boot as a solution.

Elizabeth says

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Well oh deary. I’m posting in an anti-thread and I never thought I’d do that. You guys have corrupted me. So I'll just say I'm um playing in an Anti-thread.
Anti-math, I love that.

Well I guess that ends all the speculation about Weir maybe showing up in more episodes in the second half of season 4. I know some were hanging on, hoping against hope that TPTB had some trick up their sleeves and would bring her back. Too bad really, Torri is one the best actors on the show, playing one of its more interesting characters.

Oh wow. This is depressing. I wasn't holding out much hope, but I did still have some.

All I'm hoping now is that they give us some closure. Having Ford possibly lost and forgotten out there was one thing.....please don't expect me to believe that they'd do the same with Elizabeth.

Yep pretty much killed my mojo. It had already taken a pretty big hit but I held out some hope about Weir being in the second half of the season. There's a smidgeon of mojo still there, but it’s hanging by a thread. By a thread I tell ya. Chances of me watching the second half are pretty slim at this point. I’ll be watching the first half if I can, but my excitement has taken a bit of a nose dive. A couple of days ago I was totally pumped. Now, if I miss eps I doubt I’ll be worried.

At this point I seriously doubt she’ll be in S5. Attempts to dodge the question and being ambivalent about it are to me simply an attempt to placate the fans. Given she wont be in the back half and hence wont be in the season finale [*I’m basing this on Joes blog where he said she was in 4 eps in the first half and since we know now she’s only in 4 eps ..] and I’m sure I read recently in his blog (to paraphrase badly) that there’s a major arc that sets up the season 4 finale which would be the lead into S5. That’s not to say that it couldn’t involve Weir indirectly, I just seriously doubt it.
But you know who knows. *throws hand in the air*
I wouldn't be surprised if they

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kill her off in TMC .. hence she [mp]shuffles off this mortal coil runs down the curtain and joins the bleedin' choir invisibile [/mp]

You know, I've been trying to be positive, trying to look for things to be excited about, trying to focus on the things I like about S4. I'm just... a little tired right now. It just sometimes feels like everytime I get a good level of optimism built up, I keep getting kicked. I know I've put an unhealthy level of focus on this show, but...... I'm going to have to figure out how to disconnect and treat this like any other show I watch.

This isn't the only negative piece of SGA news I've had this weekend, but I won't go into the others. I just feel a little down right now. I really do want to like this season, but there's times it seems like everything's working against that.

*sorry for the mope*

Hey that's how I feel! Every time I hold out hope and am positive I get whacked over the head. I obviously take a while to condition. I should have learned by now.

For heaven's sake, why is it so hard?!? (not upset at you, just to make it clear) What is the point in leaving all the fans dangling forever? I tolerated it with Ford because he wasn't a central character. But please don't expect me to believe that Elizabeth is just out there somewhere for infinity and that the Atlantis team isn't moving heaven and earth to get her back. If they expect me to believe that John and Rodney are just going to forget about Elizabeth and never mention her again while she's still out there? No, I'm sorry - that stretches my suspension of disbelief far too far.

The bit in bold is the bit where my mojo's still hanging. If they do that and forget her entirely I just can't believe it. I mean its not hard. They don't have to spend an ep trying to find her or anything but they could allude to attempts, or whatever, at the very least they could say her name once even if she's not in the episode.

I thought it was kinda obvious (especially with her "Adrift" example) that, although she is in 4 episodes, she doesn't get to do much in 2 of them.

Yep. That's what i thought.

I think what she meant was she features heavily in two of the episodes, and not-so heavily in the other two.

Episodes she features heavily in:
Lifeline
This Mortal Coin

Episodes she features lightly in:
Adrift
?

Although I think that even though she doesn't talk much in Adrift, she is still seen quite a lot, and saving her is a pivotal part of the episode. I mean we didn't really expect her up and making cakes for the expedition in the first 2 mins of the episode.

I think I have an idea of her other episode now.

My guess for her cameo would be:

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A fleeting appearance in Carter’s vision of the future (The Seer) – which will come to ahead in TMC.

So anyway, I went on a 4k run this morning, followed by a 4.8k pack hike – do you guys want my socks?

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My guess for her cameo would be:

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A fleeting appearance in Carter’s vision of the future (The Seer) – which will come to ahead in TMC.

Ooh! I didn't think about that. Yeah, I guess it is a good chance that she appears

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in someone's vision, likely Carters as that one is supposed to have big implications for the future of Pegasus. But will we actually get to see the visions?

What I thought was she would pop up at the end of 'Miller's Crossing', which would lead into This Mortal Coil.

[Integrabyte]

Why did they bother saving Elizabeth if they will take her out anyways????

They could have let her die and still send the same message. It's not like it was something original....

[Pitry]

Ooh! I didn't think about that. Yeah, I guess it is a good chance that she appears

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in someone's vision, likely Carters as that one is supposed to have big implications for the future of Pegasus. But will we actually get to see the visions?

What I thought was she would pop up at the end of 'Miller's Crossing', which would lead into This Mortal Coil.

Or....

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She coudl be invovled in someone's vision in Doppleganger.

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@Integrabyte. Well, atleast this way it is possible for her to return. I'd say that, because she is tied in with the Asurans, there will be alot more oppertunity for her to pop up in the future then there was with Ford, as his storyline focussed JUST on what happened to him, where as Weir will be part of something much bigger. If you get what I mean? I, for one, am VERY happy she isn't dead.

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Or....

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She coudl be invovled in someone's vision in Doppleganger.

Yeah, I guess that is possible too.

[Killdeer]

@Integrabyte. Well, atleast this way it is possible for her to return. I'd say that, because she is tied in with the Asurans, there will be alot more oppertunity for her to pop up in the future then there was with Ford, as his storyline focussed JUST on what happened to him, where as Weir will be part of something much bigger. If you get what I mean? I, for one, am VERY happy she isn't dead.

Honestly? As much as I love Elizabeth, I would prefer them kill her off, with maybe a tragic death scene, a heroic death, rather than just forget her existance like they did with Ford. Elizabeth was far too central to Atlantis to just forget about. And if they really have no intentions of bringing her back, then just stop stringing the fans along and give us some closure.

My guess for the fourth episode has always been

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Doppelganger, but I guess it could be The Seer also.