The Anti Season 4 Thread (Spoilers). For complaints and misgivings ONLY.

[leelakin]

*offers extra soft heart-shaped anti-cushion* Let's just sit back and have some Zen Tea (tm).

[vaberella]

LOL Now I won't go that far. The pro-Weir part of me is excited to see what they're going to do with her character...but as this is an anti-thread, I'll continue my anti-sentiments.

I'll miss Carter fiercely in those six Carter-free episodes. I'm sure I'll figure out how to manage but man....it'll be tough watching without her onscreen and seeing Carter's empty office.

*plops down on her portion of the anti-couch*

Thought you might find that entertaining!! Some are some aren't...I'm happy in the hope that Weir might be Oberoth's queen. But really she hasn't done much for me, so I'm not looking forward to her in S4. I have to agree with you about Carter, I actually wouldn't mind seeing her in all the eps as long as she's used properly. Carter is cool and I thank all Carter fans who gave me great eps to watch to really see Carter shine.

I'm also anti--that we won't see Kavanaugh more, for shame...I hear there's one ep and that's it so far for him. He really is a great character.

*plops down on Uber's lap on anti-couch because VB knows the other's aren't happy with her in the room to even be on the chair*

[Uber]

Thought you might find that entertaining!! Some are some aren't...I'm happy in the hope that Weir might be Oberoth's queen. But really she hasn't done much for me, so I'm not looking forward to her in S4. I have to agree with you about Carter, I actually wouldn't mind seeing her in all the eps as long as she's used properly. Carter is cool and I thank all Carter fans who gave me great eps to watch to really see Carter shine.

I'm also anti--that we won't see Kavanaugh more, for shame...I hear there's one ep and that's it so far for him. He really is a great character.

*plops down on Uber's lap on anti-couch because VB knows the other's aren't happy with her in the room to even be on the chair*

Aw is that true about Kav? He's such a great antagonist.

[nowvoyager908]

Yes well apparently antis have to be anti about the same things and to be anti about something else is apparently not appreciated by the Hive mind. Talk about borging...

Oh another thing about S4 I'm worried about... Teyla's pregnancy. Babies and scifi rarely mix and it could turn out really cheesy if not done well.

No, actually you can be anti about pretty much anything in this thread. And if you were to come in here to honestly discuss something, and not to try to make some anti-anti point, you would find that out.

[nowvoyager908]

12 more months of fans playing thread nanny, deliberately antagonizing others, and still posting how they're so much better than the other guys? Joy. No envy for the mods around here.

Have no fear, the poor fan behavior will continue in the Atlantis fandom until the show gets canceled. And then the blaming will start. It happened with the SG1 fandom and it's too bad that the fans will continue it over here.

Ya know what goes great with chips and dip? Hard alcohol.

Oh, trust me, I am way ahead of you on that one.

[Agent_Dark]

Oh another thing about S4 I'm worried about... Teyla's pregnancy. Babies and scifi rarely mix and it could turn out really cheesy if not done well.

yeah same, the saving grace about adria (other than that she was hot, because morena :drool:....) was that she grew up hell fast so we didn't have to actually sit through much baby stuff.

[vaberella]

Aw is that true about Kav? He's such a great antagonist.

Yeah...and they cut his pony-tail off. I'm not very happy at all. Or the actor cut it off...I should write a letter to him and start a campaign to save his hair.

No, actually you can be anti about pretty much anything in this thread. And if you were to come in here to honestly discuss something, and not to try to make some anti-anti point, you would find that out.

Well I have many anti concerns of which I've mentioned two but I don't think people are willing to discuss my concerns, so it's more along the lines of an "anti-anti point" when that happens, if you get my meaning. I'm currently also concerned about Harmony---when I was originally gung-ho about the episode. I found out that McKay and Katie won't be together <---a couple in which I'm anti about...but now I can't rationalize the ladies in Harmony and I'm seeing them as a bad thing.

[nowvoyager908]

No you can't. I'm honestly not happy that Carter's only in 14 episodes but because that doesn't jive with how other anti-people feel, I'm being dinged for my opinion as it doesn't fit the Hive mind.

Heck I'm being dinged for posting pro-Weir comments on the pro-Weir thread because people "know I've posted on the anti-Weir thread" [I've posted there twice, btw] and therefore have no right to post at the pro-Weir thread.I honestly want more Carter and wish Beckett and Keller were in more episodes. I honestly am concerned about Teyla's pregnancy not playing out well. But again...that's not what the Hive feels.

Here's another thing I'm not happy about in Season 4...and that is that Jack O'Neill won't be making any cameos. I loved him in The Return and I thought he played great opposite Weir in her fantasy in The Real World.

I'm curious, why do you want SG1 people on SGA at all. Its something that has always bothered me. Why is it that so many people never saw SGA as being its own show, with its own inviolate story and cast. If this kind of stuff was done on most other shows, it would be considered ludicrous. In fact, I really can't think of any other franchise that would even think of pulling this kind of stunt. The fan outrage would be quick and loud. LOL.

Oh well, I don't expect you to stand in for all fans who feel this way. I was just curious.

[vaberella]

I'm curious, why do you want SG1 people on SGA at all. Its something that has always bothered me. Why is it that so many people never saw SGA as being its own show, with its own inviolate story and cast. If this kind of stuff was done on most other shows, it would be considered ludicrous. In fact, I really can't think of any other franchise that would even think of pulling this kind of stunt. The fan outrage would be quick and loud. LOL.

Oh well, I don't expect you to stand in for all fans who feel this way. I was just curious.

Uber had the right idea..spoiler tags--->

Spoiler:

This is not necessarily anti and so I'm iffy if it belongs in a thread, but you did ask so I thought I'd throw in my two cents. And I know this was addressed to Uber, but I thought I would respond.

SGA has never been it's own show ever since they established that the SGA Ex is utterly dependent on Earth for everything. For supplies, for more food, to keep in touch with family and relatives, and more poignant because it demands in times of war military personnel and arms. SGA has no and I mean absolutely no allies but the Athosians, who are just extra bodies. Yes we saved a few homelands, but you have noticed in times of battle we still need Earth so we have nothing strong enough to maintain our own war. That being said, SGA could well be on it's own if it had no enemies even with no allies. But SGA Ex has tons of enemies out there ,and extremely powerful and persistent enemies. With that being the case and having such a dependency on the SGC and Earth...SGA will be always tied to the SGC and with the experience on off world life and incidents that occurred in other planets that might be similar SGA will always be tied in some way shape or form. Until the SGA Ex can cut the umbilical cord, it will always be connected. It's ineffective on it's own right now and that's why SG1 people may play a role in what we see on screen. Hence, the reason I found it realistic.


Actually that's something else I'm anti about...we have not cut the umbilical cord with Earth and the SGC. We don't have own military task force, we don't have our own trained individuals with special and specific wraith knowledge---or I haven't seen it on screen. I haven't seen a nice little gadget that works like a grenade to toss filled with the retrovirus if we get caught in a sticky situation---ie I dont' see our scientists having worked or developed new equipment that could be revolutionary. ~sigh~ Quite a bit I have my concerns about.

[Uber]

I'm curious, why do you want SG1 people on SGA at all. Its something that has always bothered me. Why is it that so many people never saw SGA as being its own show, with its own inviolate story and cast. If this kind of stuff was done on most other shows, it would be considered ludicrous. In fact, I really can't think of any other franchise that would even think of pulling this kind of stunt. The fan outrage would be quick and loud. LOL.

Oh well, I don't expect you to stand in for all fans who feel this way. I was just curious.

Well I'm not sure how this fits with the thread topic...but if you all are okay with me posting it, I don't mind but I'll spoiler it for OTness and space.

Spoiler:

I guess for me it's not a matter of WANTING SG-1 people on SGA but more of an ACCEPTING that they're in the same reality, the same universe...and that crossovers were only logical. In fact, having no crossovers at all would have made no sense to me. Why wouldn't they utilize the resources they had? And by they, I mean not only TPTB but also the characters in the show. Take Pegasus Project for example. Given the needs of the story, it made sense for them to go to Atlantis. Sam needed McKay's help. They needed to position the gate near a black hole in the Pegasus galaxy. It was logical that Weir would be the one to be Daniel and Vala's guide.

And now back to SGA. Why wouldn't their team take advantage of any and all resources at their disposal? F304's were designed on SG-1 and used on SGA. The Asgard...aliens established in Season 2 of SG-1, but their presence and technology fit in naturally with the needs of SGA. The purpose of finding Atlantis was SG-1 related. Weir, McKay and Lorne...all from SG-1. The Ancients...an SG-1 carryover.

I see SGA as not only its own show but also as an extension of the same universe that SG-1 exists in. They reference each other frequently because they co-exist in the same reality and serve the same basic function of protecting earth from attack and exploring their galaxies.

Now in S4, we have a situation where Weir is taken out of the picture. I don't know exactly the cause as I'm avoiding some of the major spoilers like the plague. But regardless, from the franchise's perspective and from the expedition's perspective...they need someone to fill that spot. From the expedition's perspective, they could have put anyone there with the qualifications and personality to fill the role but from the franchise's perspective, why fill that spot with a total newbie who has to have a new history created for them and the screen time to introduce them and their backstories when instead you can do it with someone who already has a rich history and vast experience on the "mother" show? Someone who's been seen and isn't an unknown on SGA? Someone who's already respected by the expedition members and who's skill set meets the needs of the team?

SG-1 and SGA are fairly unique in their relationship...yes...but having characters cross over into their sister shows is not unprecedented. In this case, I think it's a perfect fit. Only time will tell if it works out or if it's an unmitigated disaster.

From what I've seen from the PTB and from the cast members, I think they're fully aware that they need to "do it right" and are taking steps to ensure it.

But again...only time will tell.

[leelakin]

I guess it really depends how you define ANTI.
Here seem to be two kinds of anti (maybe some inbetween, but if so, not a lot):

-Those that are unhappy with the *majority* of aspects about season 4 (like cast changes, plots, whatever) and express those.
Negativity about the season overweighs the positive feelings about it here, these users are anti.

-And those that are not pleased with a smaller aspect of the upcoming season (for example "Sam is only in 16 episodes out of 20") but are happily awaiting the rest of it. In this case, while they don't like a small aspect, the users are joyful about season 4 in general, they're pro.

I, as well as others here I suspect, thought that the anti thread implied that you were anti about big aspects of the upcoming season, as I wrote in the first point. That's why the first group of people are miffed if the 2nd group of people (feeling VERY positive about season 4, as well seen in other threads) shows up in here, basically proclaiming that they're looking forward to all of the changes, but at the same time adding up to this difference by making a statement how they would like the changes to be enforced even more so (for example less episodes with Weir), when they fully know that those are changes that upset the majority of antis who now have a problem with the show in GENERAL, unlike the 2nd group.

That's the thing.
Just my 2 cents, no hard feelings. (:
And sorry if there are any grammar mistakes, it's really late here. *off to bed*

[Uber]

I guess it really depends how you define ANTI.
Here seem to be two kinds of anti (maybe some inbetween, but if so, not a lot):

-Those that are unhappy with the *majority* of aspects about season 4 (like cast changes, plots, whatever) and express those.
Negativity about the season overweighs the positive feelings about it here, these users are anti.

-And those that are not pleased with a smaller aspect of the upcoming season (for example "Sam is only in 16 episodes out of 20") but are happily awaiting the rest of it. In this case, while they don't like a small aspect, the users are joyful about season 4 in general, they're pro.

I, as well as others here I suspect, thought that the anti thread implied that you were anti about big aspects of the upcoming season, as I wrote in the first point. That's why the first group of people are miffed if the 2nd group of people (feeling VERY positive about season 4, as well seen in other threads) shows up in here, basically proclaiming that they're looking forward to all of the changes, but at the same time adding up to this difference by making a statement how they would like the changes to be enforced even more so (for example less episodes with Weir), when they fully know that those are changes that upset the majority of antis who now have a problem with the show in GENERAL, unlike the 2nd group.

That's the thing.
Just my 2 cents, no hard feelings. (:
And sorry if there are any grammar mistakes, it's really late here. *off to bed*

No worries about the grammar. Heck it's 1:15 am here so it must be really, REALLY late (early?) in Germany.

My understanding about the term "anti" is that it's about any misgivings about the new season...big or small. For instance, although I'm a supporter of Carter, I'm concerned that it might not be written well and that she might be crammed into place without any real regard for the existing setup. I like Weir but am okay with what they're doing as long as it's done well. I hated losing Carson but am glad we'll see him again and hope we see more of him. In each of those cases, I'd post the majority of my pro-ness in the pro places and post my anti-ness in the anti places. Then there are the conversational threads where both pro and anti is appreciated and I hold nothing back in those.

But if all pro sentiments are appreciated in the pro threads (big or small), then all anti sentiments should be accepted in the anti threads I think. No one is 100% anything (pro or con) but sadly the pro/anti divide makes it seem like everything's black and white...which it never is.

I support SGA and look forward to the next season but I am EXCEEDINGLY wary about many of the changes and am scared it could all be a horrible disaster...and it is those negative sentiments that I'd post either here or in a conversational thread as it's on-topic in those locations.

[vaberella]

My understanding about the term "anti" is that it's about any misgivings about the new season...big or small. For instance, although I'm a supporter of Carter, I'm concerned that it might not be written well and that she might be crammed into place without any real regard for the existing setup. I like Weir but am okay with what they're doing as long as it's done well. I hated losing Carson but am glad we'll see him again and hope we see more of him. In each of those cases, I'd post the majority of my pro-ness in the pro places and post my anti-ness in the anti places. Then there are the conversational threads where both pro and anti is appreciated and I hold nothing back in those.

But if all pro sentiments are appreciated in the pro threads (big or small), then all anti sentiments should be accepted in the anti threads I think. No one is 100% anything (pro or con) but sadly the pro/anti divide makes it seem like everything's black and white...which it never is.

<snippity-snip>.

Exactly how I understood it as well.

Sorry to hear it Uber, but unfortunately I can't do anything about how posters ding others for their opinion. It's commonplace on GW, sadly, and one of the reasons why I wish the red rep option would be disabled. All I can do is hope that you don't judge all the posters on this thread for the actions of a few.

And with that I must bid everyone goodnight. I hope that we can make progress with this discussion and not have it turn into a flamewar.

I wonder if that would be for me as well. I just got dinged quite a few times when I made a valid statement and informed that I did not belong here and was duly unwelcome.

May I just mention I am anti--this situation as well. I have noticed in Fandom during Season 4 that things have become ridiculously heated and a statement must be followed by a complaint to "who belongs where" and why...and a poster bashed either publicly or privately. -->This in no way relates to a newbie who can't use a search engine...that's just annoying all around.

[Ruined_puzzle]

*plops down on Uber's lap on anti-couch because VB knows the other's aren't happy with her in the room to even be on the chair*

Geez and one wonders why you were redded/dinged or whatever.

Anyways regarding Lifeline, which sucked, have I said that enough yet. LOL.

Spoiler:

does anyone else think that Lizzie is going to come back evil. They did say that the replicators can reprogram her right? Eek, I don't like that at all.

[Killdeer]

Anyways regarding Lifeline, which sucked, have I said that enough yet. LOL.

Spoiler:

does anyone else think that Lizzie is going to come back evil. They did say that the replicators can reprogram her right? Eek, I don't like that at all.

Yes, I'm pretty sure

Spoiler:

she's going to come back "evil" or twisted somehow, and no, I'm not happy about that part of it. Haven't seen the episodes, so I can't comment on that. And it wasn't these I was worried about so much - it's This Mortal Coil. I'm guessing that somehow they will get her back or think they've gotten her back, and then it will turn out she's working for the replicators or something.

I know in rewatching S2, I was thinking about Ford and how his character got twisted into something totally different than what it was. It was kind of disturbing. And I guess I just don't want to see that for Elizabeth. If she has to go, I would rather she die heroically trying to save Atlantis than watch her go evil. *sigh* That's just me of course. Of course if she dies, there's no chance of her coming back to the show, but I'm not expecting that anyway. And I guess I'd rather her die a heroine than be a recurring villainess.