The Anti Season 4 Thread (Spoilers). For complaints and misgivings ONLY.

[flynn1959]

Nice.

It's a shame when people let their hatred blind them from logic.

The post you directed us to had nothing at all to do with this thread, this is the anti season four thread, for complaints and misgivings ONLY.

I don't know where you get the hatred comment from, your rambling post was as much use TO THIS THREAD as a chocolate tea pot. i.e no use at all. You can't get around the rules by directing us to a positive post.

[PG15]

A little logic in misgivings won't hurt it.

Now, my post was very much in reply to stclare's statement that the market seems to be saturated with Carter-talk, and I was just pointing out that that has more to do with advertising bias than what TPTB actually says, which he/she is attributing it to. Nowhere did I say that he/she shouldn't dislike Carter or anything else, for that matter. That's the beauty of logic; it's neither pro nor anti.

[mcbarr]

Having just re-watched the Peagasus Project episode of SG1 I am at a loss to explain why. Rodney is written as a lust filled idiot whenever he is around Carter. He becomes a joke of a character, if I was in any way tempted to tune in and watch season 4 all I need to do is remember this episode, and know why I think that Carter and Rodney together are a disaster.

IMO, Carter and pretty much anyone else is a disaster because she will always be portrayed as superior in every aspect you can think of. That's kind of funny initially, but it gets quite old after 10 years.

[flynn1959]

A little logic in misgivings won't hurt it.

Now, my post was very much in reply to stclare's statement that the market seems to be saturated with Carter-talk, and I was just pointing out that that has more to do with advertising bias than what TPTB actually says, which he/she is attributing it to. Nowhere did I say that he/she shouldn't dislike Carter or anything else, for that matter. That's the beauty of logic; it's neither pro nor anti.

Well that all might be true IF your post had been logical, it wasn't, but here is not the place to get into that as it is OT.

[flynn1959]

IMO, Carter and pretty much anyone else is a disaster because she will always be portrayed as superior in every aspect you can think of. That's kind of funny initially, but it gets quite old after 10 years.

It got old for me around five years ago.

[PG15]

Somewhat true, so I'll leave it here.

Although, I would love to hear why it's not logical; perhaps you can provide me those reasons by posting on that thread I posted? I was looking for a debate, but all I got was a lot of people agreeing with me.

[crazylizzie]

IMO, Carter and pretty much anyone else is a disaster because she will always be portrayed as superior in every aspect you can think of. That's kind of funny initially, but it gets quite old after 10 years.

its not funny ever... its just annoying. i like well rounded characters and though i liked her well enough in the beginning (though mostly because of her interaction with jack) i got tired of it... its just, well i dont really care that she is brilliant, pretty, and a leader, and i know that they have tried to portray her as more human (see her long list of dismal relationships, which is a joke of a try but well...) but i have always felt more of a connection with the elizabeth character than i ever have with carter... i even call one by a surname and one by her first name, without thought actually.

i hesitate to say that real people are not perfect because, obviously, we are not talking about real life... but its a whole lot easier to identify and cheer for characters that appear more rl.

yep.

[parisindy]

Somewhat true, so I'll leave it here.

Although, I would love to hear why it's not logical; perhaps you can provide me those reasons by posting on that thread I posted? I was looking for a debate, but all I got was a lot of people agreeing with me.

PG15 I have a sincere question, with no ill will intended but if you don't like what we post
why come in here ? especially when the thread is clearly labeled.

In here we all have different opinions but get along fine. It does seem you are looking for a debate.

[PG15]

I just like to take a look at opposing views from my own; it's fun.

I wasn't looking for a debate really, just an explanation of a sort. Like I've said many many pages ago, I have zero problem with you guys being anti and talking about certain events in Season 4 that will be detrimental to the show; however, disliking a season doesn't mean being totally illogical, and sometimes that just gets to me.

[parisindy]

I just like to take a look at opposing views from my own; it's fun.

I wasn't looking for a debate really, just an explanation of a sort. Like I've said many many pages ago, I have zero problem with you guys being anti and talking about certain events in Season 4 that will be detrimental to the show; however, disliking a season doesn't mean being totally illogical, and sometimes that just gets to me.

but just because you think we are illogical doesn't mean we are...thats your opinion but the mocking doesn't really support the spirit of this thread

we all think different things here, but mocking someone because you think they are illogical isn't really cool.

and thats just my opinion..i just know if posted comments like that in the pro thread or on the gen threads i would get called on it, and be told i am not welcome.

you are welcome here i am just asking that people not make fun of someone else for their opinion.

Its nice having one civil thread.

I am not innocent i have done it to... but it would be nice if we could not do that here

just a friendly request

[PG15]

Well, I don't know if I've mocked anybody; that certainly wasn't the intention. I might have gently ribbed some of you and played up the fact that I'm sort of a fish out of water in this thread, but that's as far as it has gone, as far as I know. I do apologize if you did feel mocked though.

Really, by "illogic" I'm just saying to consider all the facts, look at the big picture, and most important...try not to come up with conspiracies. Things tend to look a tad brighter if you do this, maybe (i.e. the Carter "taking over" thing; surely you don't WANT her to take over? So why not see it from the angle that she is only appearing in all the promos and interviews because of advertising bias). I'm not trying to turn you pro or anything, but instead I'm trying (in my unique way ) to lessen your worries.

[parisindy]

i didn't feel you were mocking me i felt you were mocking someone else
and i do have a defensive streak in me

and i am not worried... season 4 will suck, thats out of my control

not worried just sad, that the show i loved is gone.. and yeah okay i'll say it... i'm bitter

as for the facts there are very few and we are just speculating as is everyone else

and even if sam plays a very minor role... its too much imho,

[Heaven]

PG15, that kind of wishful thinking is bad for your mental health

if all indications say s4 will be Carter heavy, why assume it won't ?
judging from experience, the SG-1 s9 promos that constantly featured and glorified Mitchell turned out to reflect s9 pretty accurately.

[PG15]

I have no mental health to speak of.

Ah, but NOT all indication says that. I know you guys may not trust him, but Joe Mallozzi has said it time and again that Carter is supporting. Now, it's really not in Joe's nature to sugercoat things for the fans; I mean, I think that's pretty clear.

So, do I trust the source (or co-source) of Stargate Atlantis Season 4, or do I trust secondary sources that have since added a layer of bias to whatever it is that they've published?

[parisindy]

i trust my gut

and i trust that i like sam better then i like joe m, and thats saying something

i still think its all speculation..even more so if jm says it.

and at this point even the so called facts are questionable, its all about perspective