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    Originally posted by jelgate View Post
    That proves my point that Rodney could not read his mind about how Ronon felt about the scars. If he read his mind he would not need to ask
    Hey, just a quick thought....:

    Perhaps Rodney asked anyway, just because he tried to be polite?
    It's not like he and Ronan talked a lot in the past, so maybe...

    Anyway this was not my fave episode either, but it was kind of funny at times ...

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      But that is out of character for McKay. He is not a polite person
      Originally posted by aretood2
      Jelgate is right

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        Originally posted by jelgate View Post
        But that is out of character for McKay. He is not a polite person
        I agree. That was kind of my point... In his state, knowing he was going to die (or thought so) he WAS out of character, and he tried the best he could to be polite to everyone...

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          Really liked this episode. The touching moments at the end were particularly good.

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            True, perhaps he felt if he was going to have a chance of passing on properly (whether acending or going to that place in the wide blue beyond) he needed to get his affairs in order..

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              Although I don't hate Rodney, he isn't my most favorite. I do love how they showed him almost humble in this episode.
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                and do the exact same episode in S5
                Originally posted by aretood2
                Jelgate is right

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                  I thought this was a good episode! I really liked that Rodney had to face his own mortality head-on and decided to make the best of his situation -- after of course being rude to everyone when he first discovered his powers.

                  I also really liked the team-bonding that happened this episode. There are a lot of bantering moments between McKay and others, but there aren't a lot of times where they're able to put things aside and realize that they are all friends. I especially liked him bonding with Teyla over the death of her father, and his bonding with Ronon where he got rid of the scars left over from the Wraith. They were really sweet moments that we haven't seen between them in the past.
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                    By my opinion this episode is so awesome.
                    McKay is my favorite character in this series. Interesting to know for what this device was created by ancients, probably for create super humans. What do you think?
                    Last edited by Jack_O'Neill; April 4, 2021, 11:27 PM.
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                      Originally posted by Jack_O'Neill View Post
                      By my opinion this episode is so awesome.
                      McKay is my favorite character in this series. Interesting to know for what this device was created by ancients, probably for create super humans. What do you think?
                      It was repeatedly said in the episode that it was created to fast track the ascension process, but because the Ancients who experimented with it died if they weren't able to ascend it was never used commonly. Example:

                      WEIR: Well, we know the Ancients evolved physiologically to a certain point where they could transform into a state of pure energy.

                      SHEPPARD: Ancient History 101.

                      WEIR: Yes. We also know that not all of them managed to get there.

                      SHEPPARD: You're saying some of them needed a kick in the pants.

                      WEIR: So to speak. I think this machine was not meant to help them fight the war against the Wraith but rather to help them escape it.

                      SHEPPARD (frowning): An ascension machine?

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                        Originally posted by Xaeden View Post

                        It was repeatedly said in the episode that it was created to fast track the ascension process, but because the Ancients who experimented with it died if they weren't able to ascend it was never used commonly. Example:

                        WEIR: Well, we know the Ancients evolved physiologically to a certain point where they could transform into a state of pure energy.

                        SHEPPARD: Ancient History 101.

                        WEIR: Yes. We also know that not all of them managed to get there.

                        SHEPPARD: You're saying some of them needed a kick in the pants.

                        WEIR: So to speak. I think this machine was not meant to help them fight the war against the Wraith but rather to help them escape it.

                        SHEPPARD (frowning): An ascension machine?
                        But I find it weird they never revisited this technology in trying to create evolved humans with psychic abilities. More so, even if they couldn't get the technology to work the way they wanted it too they know how to reset it so there wouldn't be any casualties from it's use.

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                          Originally posted by Rohan View Post

                          But I find it weird they never revisited this technology in trying to create evolved humans with psychic abilities.
                          "Stargate: Atlantis" doesn't show this in flashbacks, but there should theoretically be plenty of Ancients who, 10,000 years ago, naturally had abilities since they're so evolved. Ayiana had powers 5-10 million years ago, a number of her contemporaries were able to ascend, and there was apparently a sizable number of Ancients capable of ascending within their own lifetimes 10,000 years ago as well.

                          Anubis' clone exhibited telekinetic and healing abilities at 71% brain function, while ascension required 96%, so unless it's possible to naturally jump from the former to the latter in one's own lifetime, it's likely that a good number, if not all, Ancients were already running around with powers.

                          If, on the other hand, you mean the second evolution of their form, I don't know why the Ancients would want humans to be as evolved as them. The purpose of creating humans was, at least in the Milky Way, so that their form could continue to exist on the lower planes. Fast tracking human evolution means their time on the lower planes would be reduced as they'll be able to ascend much sooner.


                          More so, even if they couldn't get the technology to work the way they wanted it too they know how to reset it so there wouldn't be any casualties from it's use.
                          Apparently not...

                          McKAY: Look, all the Ancients that experimented with that device, they either ascended or died -- most of them the latter, which is why it did not get put into common use.

                          ...

                          McKAY: Despite the fact that the Ancient database states that its effects on people are wildly unpredictable and that I'm just lucky I wasn't instantly melted down into a pool of protoplasm.

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                            Originally posted by Xaeden View Post

                            If, on the other hand, you mean the second evolution of their form, I don't know why the Ancients would want humans to be as evolved as them. The purpose of creating humans was, at least in the Milky Way, so that their form could continue to exist on the lower planes. Fast tracking human evolution means their time on the lower planes would be reduced as they'll be able to ascend much sooner.
                            I was talking about the Atlantis expedition. If they were able to properly harness this technology, it would give them an incredible tactical edge. Not to mention for people like Rodney, the things they would be able to think of and create would be astounding. But if nothing else, it can also serve as a good stand by that if they managed to find another repository of knowledge they would be able to fully understand and utilize Ancient technology without the backlash of what happened to Col. O'Neill.


                            Originally posted by Xaeden View Post

                            Apparently not...
                            McKAY: Look, all the Ancients that experimented with that device, they either ascended or died -- most of them the latter, which is why it did not get put into common use.

                            ...

                            McKAY: Despite the fact that the Ancient database states that its effects on people are wildly unpredictable and that I'm just lucky I wasn't instantly melted down into a pool of protoplasm.
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                            Now this part wasn't specific for me. Does it mean it will affect other people differently or the individual will get a random effect so they can't use the machine with a reset on hand. If the later, then yeah that's not good. But if the former then Mckay knows that the machine will work fine for him and allow him to do incredible things within certain windows of time.

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