The Siege, Part 1 (119)

[TOA]

The Wraith massively out numbered the ancients on a grand scale. IT really doesn't matter how powerful you are , bar ascension, if you have hundreds of ships firing everything they have at you and then going kamakazi into you, then you're going to get your butt kicked. The ancients technology was more than a match for wraith tech it's just that there were a LOT of wraith.

I can't put enough emphasis on "a lot of wraith" there were a lot.

Now the question of the day:

Is it:
"There WERE alot of Wraith"

or

"There ARE alot of Wraith"

Thats the key - im basically thinking that the wraith are like the Asgard - they dont really reproduce (because in the case of the wraith they effectively do not die of aging so there would be little to no need), so the massive wipeouts caused when fighting the Ancients were never really recovered.

[MartoufMarty]

....

Shh... It's a TV show. It's not supposed to make sense

Well, I think there are more Wraith then they're showing. A helluva alot more. A crap load of Wraith.

What if the few ships that are showing up now are just... the first wave attack? Others follow not far behind.

I mean, in the season 1 finale of SG-1 Apophis showed up with two ships. Was that all he had? No. He could have showed up with more...

Am I making any sense?

I think I should shut up for tonight.

*falls asleep*

[MartoufMarty]

Now the question of the day:

Is it:
"There WERE alot of Wraith"

or

"There ARE alot of Wraith"

Thats the key - im basically thinking that the wraith are like the Asgard - they dont really reproduce (because in the case of the wraith they effectively do not die of aging so there would be little to no need), so the massive wipeouts caused when fighting the Ancients were never really recovered.

I'm going for ARE and WERE...

There ARE alot of Wraith out there right now. MANY WRAITH!

But there WERE even more before.

So that's... yes.

[TOA]

Your last part there makes the most sense. The Ancients lost, but I'm sure they were able to inflict damage on a grand scale to the wraith. The wraith just won by numbers in the end.

Have you ever played starcraft? The Ancients got zergling rushed.

Lol maybe - but it still doesnt add up - if Ancients had greater technology guerilla warfare would work well in this case, because only in large groups could the wraith over power ancient ships.

Im hoping that my next theory isnt correct - The only real way I could see the wraith kicking the ancients if they used something akin to hit and run attacks of the separated hives is if they were (stupid enough) to mass the majority of their fleet when going to meet the wraith for "peace" talks.. Overwhelming force would wipe out the ancients armada in one swipe at that point.

[alaskannut]

I am with Marty on this one...its very likely that there are many more Hives than we currently know about and that there used to be A LOT more before their war with the ancients--its only been ten thousand yrs since the ancients fled and the wraith most likely have simply not been awake long enough to recover from their personnel/matierial losses.

[alaskannut]

Now would someone PLEASE post a decent summary of the ep...not just a series of main points????

[Orange Crush]

One would imagine that during the Ancient's heydey and their first encounter with the wraith there were billions and billions of humans for the wraith to feed upon--so they could've had huuuuuuuge numbers. We also know how powerful the Ancients were, so they'd have to be horrifically outnumbered. I figure that once the wraith conquered Pegasus and drove the Ancients out--their population was decimated, but so was the human population, and they had no choice but to hibernate for a few thousand years to get the human population up. Even so, there were fewer humans around than before, so they must've suffered another big dieoff from starvation--that's one of the Wraith's achille's heels . . . they may be hard to kill, but they will die without enough food.

And now that the Earthlings have woken them up prematurely, there's not enough food to go around, so they're in a pretty big bind. The wraith *must* get to the Milky Way, or they'll suffer another dieoff.

-Nick

[Calicto]

Okay. Let's use common Sense.

Let's assume the following:

1. 1 PuddleJumper = 10 Wraith Darts

It kinda makes sense. It'll probably take more resources to create 1 Puddle Jumper than 10 Wraith Darts, seeing how more effective weapons and shields are on the puddle jumper.

However, as we saw in Brotherhood, one carefully planted shot by a Wraith Dart could easily destroy a puddle jumper.

Now, Atlantis probably had 20 MAX Puddle Jumpers when it was fully operational. There doesnt seem like enough space nor function to have more.

1 Hive Ship is assumed to have 3 Cruiser which has 100 Darts approximately each. from the look of Before I sleep, It seemed like there were 5-6 Hive Ships outside Atlantis. That means, you have 20-30 Puddle Jumpers VS. 1000+ Wraith Darts.

Now, even more is the fact that QUANTITY is better than QUALITY.

If 1 puddle jumper does 100 damage per shot and can take 500 pts of damage while a Dart does 50 damage per shot and can take 50 pts of damage. then let's take the following scenario; 1 PJ vs. 10 Darts.

10 Darts have 10 different chances to hit PJ. While PJ has 1 chance to hit 1 Dart. If the Darts had 50% Accuracy and the PJ had 100% Accuracy that means the following.

1. First Shots Fired: 1 Dart Destroyed. (9/10) PJ is at 250/500
2. Second Shots Fired: 1 Dart Destroyed. (8/10) PJ is at 25/500.
3. Third Shot Fired. 1 Dart Destroyed. (7/10) 1 PJ Destroyed.

See where this is going? If you're a PJ pilot, you can realistically shoot down one or two Darts at a time while ammo lasts. If you're a Dart pilot, you've got apparently unlimited ammo and you've got friends. If you miss, you've got 294 friends who can help out.

Therefore, the Ancients may have been 100% technologically stronger than the Wraith, but in space warfare (in place of 3D combat), quantity wins over quality.

The Ancients could have had 10 Satellites and the Wraith could have easily unleashed a horde of Darts. The satellites can only shoot so many things at a time.

I believe that these 3 ships are merely a test of sheild. Do as much damage as you can. The Wraith's most important enemy are the Ancients. They need a distraction to waste the time of the Ancients (and to test their defense) so that they can gather all 60+ Hive ships and attack at once.

*Imagines 18,000 Wraith Darts taking on Shepherd's PJ & Atlantis*

[Alpha17X]

For anyone who didn't catch it. I'm pretty sure McKay called Zelenka "Bradik"

[Carbito]

I'm pretty sure McKay called Zelenka "Bradik"

What scene was that in?

[Alpha17X]

What scene was that in?

While McKay is packing to leave

[Teal'c]

I just finished watching it (got up at 6:30 am to do so) and I'm literally in tears. Poor Peter, I can't believe he's gone. I thought it was going to be Bates, but he's half-gone too I certainly won't be able to concentrate at college today

[Bossman]

I don't think Grodin is gone for good, not after I've read that interview with him. So keep you hopes up.

[Angel of Fire SG1]

OMG I LOVED IT!!

EXCEPT THEY KILLED PETER!! Although it IS still STargate LOL we know how they are with killing ppl....they have a tendency to...not be dead!!

BUT OMG IT WAS SO COOL!!

AND TEYLA PUNCHED BATES!!

*calms down*

I thought that was so cool, and I'm not even a big Teyla fan but I was like "OOOH GO TEYLA" and me listening with headphones attracted the attention of my parents who were calmly watching the news

WHOOPS! hehe

DAMN CLIFFHANGERS!!!

*sits around impatiently waiting for next week*

[IMForeman]

I think we can now conclusively say that the Wraith do not have Asgard level hyper-drives. Ancient tech is far superior to Wraith tech... Yay!

-IMF