John Sheppard/Teyla Emmagan Appreciation/Ship/Discussion Thread

[Artie]

I loved Sam in SG1 but actually preferred her in SGA...I felt she wasnt given enough to do. But she really had what it took to be a great leader..

I did too, and I wished we'd seen more of that! It's a big transition for her to move from being part of a team to being in charge.

I think she already knows the relationship won't work.. did she ever look like a woman in love in season 5..

I don't think she ever felt that her and John were never meant to be.. I think circumstances just altered her course in life and I think in time will make her realise more how much she loves John and not Kanaan and in time those feelings will come out.

I think she and Kanaan are well on the way to breaking up in season five. In Broken Ties he's unhappy in Atlantis and "having trouble adjusting." In Ghost in the Machine he's "away visiting our people," and Teyla is very awkward with Elizabeth about that. In The Queen he's nowhere in sight. In First Contact he's nowhere in sight. In The Prodigal he's off "visiting our people" again, and after that he's never once more mentioned. It's especially telling that he's not mentioned in Enemy at the Gate. If Kanaan were in Atlantis, wouldn't Woolsey have given him the chance to leave when he asked Ronon and Teyla? Or at least have asked Teyla if Kanaan wanted to leave? I think he's gone, and that they've been effectively separated for six months at that point, even if nothing's official.

[scifan]

I loved that site, but I'm not sure how up-to-date they are keeping it. I know the owner used to frequent here. I signed in once but I know they got hacked or something like that a couple of times and she had to redo the whole thing all over again.

Gosh, I can't remember what her name was in here if not I'd tell you to PM her. They must have a contact info in the site, did you look? Email them.

I saw some pics I wanted to look at... especially one of Teyla from the S5 promos that I've never seen and I couldn't get it. I didn't see anywhere to contact anyone.
It must've been updated because it has the auction JF is doing for his friend with ALS. I'll try to email you this afternoon hun. Thanks.

[scifan]

I did too, and I wished we'd seen more of that! It's a big transition for her to move from being part of a team to being in charge.



I think she and Kanaan are well on the way to breaking up in season five. In Broken Ties he's unhappy in Atlantis and "having trouble adjusting." In Ghost in the Machine he's "away visiting our people," and Teyla is very awkward with Elizabeth about that. In The Queen he's nowhere in sight. In First Contact he's nowhere in sight. In The Prodigal he's off "visiting our people" again, and after that he's never once more mentioned. It's especially telling that he's not mentioned in Enemy at the Gate. If Kanaan were in Atlantis, wouldn't Woolsey have given him the chance to leave when he asked Ronon and Teyla? Or at least have asked Teyla if Kanaan wanted to leave? I think he's gone, and that they've been effectively separated for six months at that point, even if nothing's official.

I know JM says that both Kanaan and Torren are still on Atlantis at the end of EatG, but I have to agree with you. He's not happy at Atlantis and probably would rather be with the Athosians instead of there. Maybe them being stuck on Earth will fuel that debate more. Teyla loves her people, but she also love those on Atlantis and that was proven when she didn't hesitate to go with them to Earth. She's willing to fight side by side with these people. They have become close friends and somewhat a family.
S&R showed that Kanaan is not a fighter..... in a sense like John and Ronon. So, I'm not sure how he would react to Teyla's decision to stay on Atlantis and not even consult him..... I wouldn't think it would be good. IMO He was supportive with her in BT, but how long will that last.

[Jeyla4ever]

Good morning my JT lovers. I'm getting ready to head out but I thought I'd peek.

[bluealien]

I did too, and I wished we'd seen more of that! It's a big transition for her to move from being part of a team to being in charge.



I think she and Kanaan are well on the way to breaking up in season five. In Broken Ties he's unhappy in Atlantis and "having trouble adjusting." In Ghost in the Machine he's "away visiting our people," and Teyla is very awkward with Elizabeth about that. In The Queen he's nowhere in sight. In First Contact he's nowhere in sight. In The Prodigal he's off "visiting our people" again, and after that he's never once more mentioned. It's especially telling that he's not mentioned in Enemy at the Gate. If Kanaan were in Atlantis, wouldn't Woolsey have given him the chance to leave when he asked Ronon and Teyla? Or at least have asked Teyla if Kanaan wanted to leave? I think he's gone, and that they've been effectively separated for six months at that point, even if nothing's official.

I totally agree....

[Jeyla4ever]

[QUOTE=bluealien;11972605]

I loved Sam in SG1 but actually preferred her in SGA...I felt she wasnt given enough to do. But she really had what it took to be a great leader..

I loved Season 1-3 Sam in SG-1 the best. But she was certainly a force to reckoned with and one that changed the look of smart woman on TV. Without a doubt she was a strong leader and that was my problem with her in Atlantis. Maybe because I always felt in the back of my mind that the role for the true leader of Atlantis is John.

See, Sam will never see Atlantis as her home. Never. Weir, though I had my issues with her as a leader, she cared more for Atlantis, or maybe from a different point of view than Sam did. And Woolsey, I honestly think that because there was nothing really to hold him back to Earth, his perception of Atlantis is different and I think with time living in Atlantis, that would have changed as well.

Again, I don't question any of your points on Sam's leadership, respect and connection and understanding in Atlantis and with John, but I think her role changed a lot the dynamics of Atlantis and the team and especially in John. It was very similar to his role when Ellis came to Atlantis in the Siege. John step back. And I didn't like that one bit. With Weir and Woolsey, he was equal. He was leader of and Commander of the Military aspect in Atlantis, end of story, when both of these were there. When Sam came in....it was almost as if, John was just a leader of a team. Do you see what I mean? Because in the military and in the eyes of Stargate Command, there was no one in Atlantis higher than Sam and even though Sam never acted that way, she didn't have to and John certainly acknowledge that and the only time that he clearly stated that to her and that he wasn't intimidated by her was when he stepped up in Search and Rescue. Honestly, I like to see conflict and drama between John and his leader. It shows the John that we know clearer.

Just my thoughts Blue, no facts. Just opinions.

I felt the opposite. As soon as the Wraith attacked I felt the leadership should have been military or someone who at least wasn't so anti military. I felt that Sam understood John a lot more due to their military background.. Elizabeth and John just never seemed on the same page when it came to defending Atlantis and this came around full circle in First Strike..

Though I was actually dreading Woolsey and didnt think he would be up to the job because he wasn't military but he really surprised me.. he showed he was more than capable many times and very believable as a leader..

See, the whole purpose of Atlantis was for it to be seen as a city. Atlantis is almost an Ambassador of Earth on the Pegasus, and yet, it's not, because it was created by the Ancestors. So, I've never seen Atlantis as a military station as I have for Stargate Command. And that's what they did when they brought Sam in. Atlantis was no longer a home, it was a military station. I mean one of the best scenes was to see Woolsey hold Torren in Prodigal as Teyla raced down the hallway. Teyla couldn't do that with Sam because Sam wouldn't have been in the hallways. She'd be out there fighting along with the rest as any military would. But with Woolsey and Weir having a non-military personnel in Atlantis, the whole purpose and look of the city changes because of a leader. A leader whose vision is not only to protect Earth and those in the city. It's more than that. It's protecting their home. Weir saw that and so did Woolsey. And as much as Carter sympathize, she is military. Trained as one and she'd always put Earth and the inhabitants of Earth in Atlantis before the rest. I think Weir and Woolsey weren't so much focused on Earth as they were to the city and to the Pegasus. Putting a military did that to me, whether intentionally or not.

I liked her instantly..

Sam is a force within herself that's unstoppable, unchangeable and unreplacable. That she's a great leader, you only have to see one episode in SG-1 to see that. But not every leader rules the same way and has the same vision and mission and goals. And to me, her goals changed the city of Atlantis. Weir and Woolsey were treated among the others of the team as friends....Sam, Sam was a friend but no in the same spectrum as Weir and even as Woolsey became with Teyla and the others. I don't know, I guess it's hard for me to explain. Okay, here's another way to explain it.

Sam has her team members back on Earth. She will never feel the same way for this team as she does for those back on SG-1 because that's her family. As John sees his team as his family, so does Sam see her team as her family. And her bond and ties go back to those guys back there. She even brough Tealc in to help Ronon! What's to say there was no one in Atlantis that could help Ronon? But again....Woolsey and Weir had no strong ties back on Earth besides Weir having her mother and Woolsey his dog. To these two leaders, Atlantis was slowly turning into its home and the team members weren't part of a unit, they were family. That's the difference that I see in Sam being in Atlantis vs a non-military leader.

TBC

[Jeyla4ever]

Continued convo with Blue...

I never really felt any committment from Teyla for Kanaan.. there was never anything there... the writers wanted us to believe there was something there but at the same time showed us many instances where there were still feelings between JT... I'm come to the conclusion that the whole Kanaan thing was just unbelievable and so not in Teyla's character..or even in Johns.. it was just a badly handled fabrication to explain Rachels pregnancy without any real insight into Teyla character at all.. I can never see Teyla admitting to liking someone from Atlantis while seemingly at the same time having a relationship with Kanaan... So the whole fiasco was out of character for both John and Teyla imo...and I saw nothing from Teyla convincing me she was in love with Kanaan. She went to him in a time of need and yes is very fond of him and never intended to get pregnant... when that happened she settled for him because yes maybe she thought she and John would never get together.. but in time I think she'll come to the realisation that her feelings are not strong enough for Kanaan to sustain a relationship and it will end..

There is definitely inconsistency in the whole Kanaan/Teyla plot. Too many questions unanswered so we do have to fill in the blanks. I asked Rachel once how she thinks Teyla would respond to a relationship. And Rachel replied that Teyla would never do a one-nighter. She would commit and not until that partner died would she go with another. Now, that was back towards the beginning of season 2 that she replied that question that I asked her. I'm sure her response would be a whole lot different now.

Many think that this is about making Teyla a goodie too shoe...*not sure if I'm spelling that right* For me, it's not about that. We all have our weaknesses, but Teyla was never known in the show to have any relationships and to our knowledge the only one from the team that didn't know she was seeing someone was John and of course, Rodney doesn't care and doesn't see any importance to it. But Weir knew, and Ronon knew. So, it's not like she was completely hiding the fact that she was interested in men and in having a relationship. So, that being said...I don't think that Teyla was thinking of Kanaan as just someone she could have some fun with or to let go her own frustrations and needs. In Missing she clearly told Keller how she saw Kanaan. She saw him as a leader, and in the back of her tone you could sense that she was really saying, he's the perfect mate for me. He's Athosian and he's a leader, he has my gifts and he understands our people and me. He was the perfect mate for her, but only difference was that this was not the man she truly loved and desired.

In real life, there's that true love that some go through and wonder and wished that guy had been the one. So, to think that Teyla went with Kanaan but still harboring feelings for John, that's not hard for me to believe. That she knows that he won't make the first move, that we know. How much was she willing to wait....clearly she went to John and he never made any indication as to wanting more. He left and it was thought he wasn't going to come back. He was gone for six months! When would that happen again and Teyla was supposed to wait?

I know that the writers like you stated didn't put the time into this plot. We all know that. They've even admitted it. Didn't Gero commented that in the commentaries and also in interviews? They know it. Rachel got pregnant and they took a huge curve. I also think that at that time, and I'm only guessing here, that Joe didn't want John to be the daddy, because Rachel has mentioned that they told her it would be John. So, what happened in between? So, again...I'm fishing here. Still, I do believe that if Teyla sees that things aren't working out with Kanaan and that Kanaan himself is not happy, she will do what she has to do. She's a smart and practical woman. But that she will try to make it work between Kanaan and her....I do believe that. That's why I LOVE Wedj's fics. She portrays Teyla as the Teyla that I see. And her fics with dealing with Kanaan are just perfect for me because those are all scenarios that to me show that circumstances beyond Teyla's control brought her and Kanaan to an end. And the realization always there that he was never the man that she truly loved and wanted. That's the Teyla that I see and that's how I see her dealing with her relationship with Kanaan and John. Like you stated, in time or within circumstances, she will see that they aren't meant to be. I think right now Teyla believes that she's happy with him and as long as John isn't too far away, she's making herself believe this will do for her. But she's so wrong!

I think she already knows the relationship won't work.. did she ever look like a woman in love in season 5..

I think she was too busy, too in love with her son, too happy to be back in John's team, to think anything else but for the time being, but I do think that there were signs there to show that she wasn't as happy as she made herself out to be and that picture of her in the balcony in EATG I think was a bit of that too. Even in First Contacts, you see that Teyla never wants to leave John's side and that she's still willing to die with and for him.

don't think she ever felt that her and John were never meant to be.. I think circumstances just altered her course in life and I think in time will make her realise more how much she loves John and not Kanaan and in time those feelings will come out.

I see Teyla as a very soulful woman with strong heritage background, beliefs and customs that have influenced and make her who she is today. Yet, she's willing to listen to others and even question and change that of her own. Teyla believes in destiny in traditions. Remember when she kept quoting about her people and signs of the Ancestors to come again..blah, blah, blah...so I do think a lot of her actions, decisions, and her ways are a great influence to her inheritance and her people's even though the writers never went there. Which was a shame. But there are glimpse here and there about how her people and her traditions affect how she saw John and her. We know she would never make a move and yet, she told her friend Dr. Hewston "we'll see!" That to me, means that Teyla had some sort of a plan or some reassurance that he would eventually cave. But she wasn't going to change her ways for him. She stayed behind in the Pegasus, even after he invited her to come, and so did he. So, John and Teyla never think of themselves and what they want first. They think of what is the right thing to do. What is proper and what is expected of them as leaders always comes first for the two of them before what they truly want. And there's no question that Kanaan plays an important part of that thinking for Teyla. I do think that in the back of her mind Teyla knows that to be with John means that she would have to give in to many things that are part of who she is. And that's normal in any relationship but she's already given up her leadership and has adopted Atlantis as her home and her son's home. What more could she possibly give in of herself for John? And I think in her going to find comfort and love in Kanaan's arms...I don't think she did that without conscious without thinking of what it would mean to her and to her future with John. Yes, I do think that she was taken aback by her pregnancy and that certainly changed many things for her, but even before that....She was thinking of telling the others of her and Kanaan. It was only a matter of time. But she was going to make that announcement before the whole pregnancy thing. So, for her to have thought this far ahead with Kanaan tells me that she had already decided that her and John wasn't going to happen.

Just my thoughts of course. You know my thoughts on this whole thing. We have a difference of opinion. No right or wrong here and no debates or arguments. Just two people that are smart and adults and can respectfully agree to respect one another's differences of opinion. Nothing wrong with that. Thanks Blue. In the end, YES!!! I agree that Kanaan and Teyla were simply never meant to be. But John and Teyla...yes!

Oh thanks for the update...

You're welcome. I'll try to keep up, too.

[Jeyla4ever]

I think he's gone, and that they've been effectively separated for six months at that point, even if nothing's official.

If season 6 or the movie started off with this...I'd be SO happy!!!!

[Everlovin]

So, just to get other conversations started, what's everybody's favorite three moments from S1?

[taris-eirien]

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[bluealien]

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Wow the bids are waaay out of my price range...but good to know the money is going to a great cause.. and dinner with Joe and David will be a wonderful experience...

[bluealien]

So, just to get other conversations started, what's everybody's favorite three moments from S1?

1) John putting the neckace on Teyla in Rising.. instant connection..
2) John stumbling down the hill and Teyla rolling her eyes at him..
3) Their first head touch...

I guess I really loved the JT interaction in Rising..

[Everlovin]

Rising is completely awesome! Bunches of great JT moments.

[scifan]

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Thanks Taris. I wish I had even a bit of money to spare. I'll pray that the auctions do awesome.

[lanaganp]

I just love this pic

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