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It's a slow day on the sparky thread
From Tao Of Rodney
(gently): Rodney, you’re a good person. Know that we love you.
I love you too Elizabeth
John, this is not the time
s***! I mean, yeah, we love you Rodney, in a way a friend feels about another friendLast edited by gateraid; 19 January 2009, 10:40 PM.sigpic
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Originally posted by Ruined_puzzle View PostSee I would believe that to a point. Like if they said that's what happened I'd buy it. But right now as far as canon is concerned it was Elizabeth and even though canon sucks I stick to it, I don't know why.sigpic
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Originally posted by gateraid View PostBecause you posess something I don't any more - hope
Also I love that scene in ... I'm blanking out on the episodes name. John oh John way to be obvious. He had to correct Rodney after he said "you" when he was talking to Elizabeth.
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Originally posted by Ruined_puzzle View PostDo I? Damn I try to squash that emotion all the time. lol.
Also I love that scene in ... I'm blanking out on the episodes name. John oh John way to be obvious. He had to correct Rodney after he said "you" when he was talking to Elizabeth.
WEIR (gently): Rodney, you’re a good person. Know that we love you.
McKAY (smiling, his eyes still closed): You love me? Really? All of you?
SHEPPARD (awkwardly): In a way a friend feels about another friend.
McKAY: You’re just saying that because I’m gonna die. (Quietly, plaintively) Oh, God. I can’t believe I’m gonna die.sigpic
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Originally posted by Ruined_puzzle View PostSee I would believe that to a point. Like if they said that's what happened I'd buy it. But right now as far as canon is concerned it was Elizabeth and even though canon sucks I stick to it, I don't know why.
And then Rodney says something about not being able to doubt that was the real Elizabeth.
Then, Atlantis goes back to.... okay, that's still illegal to mention until the final ep airs, but the bottom line here is, how can they leave her behind, real body or not? Sorry dear producers, that sucks, and that story shouldn't be left there.I'm not weird, I'm limited edition.
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Originally posted by Anuna View PostI have love - hate relationship with that bit of the canon; because canon - vise, she's alive, just in another body and cold - induced stasis, just like Niam was. Yet they left her behind! I mean WTF? That's their freaking leader, the person who made most sacrifices for the whole expedition, let herself be captured so the city could live, and then in GitM walked through the gate because (it feels like that to me) she wasn't welcome there any more.
And then Rodney says something about not being able to doubt that was the real Elizabeth.
Then, Atlantis goes back to.... okay, that's still illegal to mention until the final ep airs, but the bottom line here is, how can they leave her behind, real body or not? Sorry dear producers, that sucks, and that story shouldn't be left there.
I justify them leaving her there because they think it isn't really her, merely a copy of her. Similar, but not the real thing.
Of course, she didn't need to die in the first place but that's another issuesigpic
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Originally posted by gateraid View PostYep, its stuuupid. If those were all the remaining replicators, there was no reason why they couldn't just go through the gate, blast the other ones into little pieces, and pick her up. Even if she were still a replicator, there'd be no other replicators left to link to, so hardly a threat.
I justify them leaving her there because they think it isn't really her, merely a copy of her. Similar, but not the real thing.
Of course, she didn't need to die in the first place but that's another issue
OT - there's annoying news about yet another female character being kicked out of Stargate. This time its Vala; they won't have her in the new movie. Stupid.I'm not weird, I'm limited edition.
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Originally posted by gateraid View PostThat's something we're never going to agree on (and by we I mean myself and every other sparky fan, apparently). Spoilered coz I've said it before in some fashion
Spoiler:I've never thought that Franibeth was Dr Weir - too OOC and it didn't really make sense how she ended up that way. It made the replicators look pretty stupid to allow a known security risk wander around Asuras, even after Oberoth had said that he was going to kill her (he only said reprogramme in Weir's fake out, afterwards she had pissed him off too much).
I could believe that they copied the replicator side of her, and that was Franibeth, but not Elizabeth.
I've always thought that they either killed her outright in Lifeline (offscreen) or made some controllable copies and put her in stasis (from which she either escaped/was kidnapped or died when they blew up Asuras). I had some ideas for stories related to that, but as you know, I can't write worth a damn.Spoiler:If they indeed did make several copies of her, then there are others out there. Maybe they didn't all get destroyed along with the Asuran planet. Franibeth's copy was just one of many.
Originally posted by Ruined_puzzle View PostSee I would believe that to a point. Like if they said that's what happened I'd buy it. But right now as far as canon is concerned it was Elizabeth and even though canon sucks I stick to it, I don't know why.
Originally posted by gateraid View PostYep, its stuuupid. If those were all the remaining replicators, there was no reason why they couldn't just go through the gate, blast the other ones into little pieces, and pick her up. Even if she were still a replicator, there'd be no other replicators left to link to, so hardly a threat.
I justify them leaving her there because they think it isn't really her, merely a copy of her. Similar, but not the real thing.
Of course, she didn't need to die in the first place but that's another issue
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Originally posted by Southern Red View PostI liked Franibeth too, but I'm open to your other ideas.Spoiler:If they indeed did make several copies of her, then there are others out there. Maybe they didn't all get destroyed along with the Asuran planet. Franibeth's copy was just one of many.
I do too and I hate that about myself. I think that's why I get so exercised when people get things wrong. Canon is canon, dammit.
They could have done that, but you're forgetting who the writers are. Getting rid of her was more important than being rational.
There were many other ways they could have brought her back, even if only for a few eps here and there. Anuna's big bang fic is a good example. She could have interfaced with the replicator tech and taken a jumper herself and been intercepted by another race - Genii, Travellers, whoever.
It's all pie in the sky now though, the series is done and dusted
Originally posted by Anuna View PostEither way you put it, it's stupid and unfair, and sad Shep was the only thing worth seeing. IMO of course. Period.
OT - there's annoying news about yet another female character being kicked out of Stargate. This time its Vala; they won't have her in the new movie. Stupid.
Vala was barely in the last movie too - most of Claudia's screentime was as Quetesh
Hmm, this is all very down this morning. We need something to lighten the moodsigpic
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Originally posted by gateraid View PostHmm, this is all very down this morning. We need something to lighten the mood
http://www.sheppardweir.com/fanfics/...y.php?sid=1302
Yeah... I know it's one of mine... I need to promote my fics somewhere, right
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Originally posted by KrisRussel View PostSomething to lighten the mood: A short, cute little fic
http://www.sheppardweir.com/fanfics/...y.php?sid=1302
Yeah... I know it's one of mine... I need to promote my fics somewhere, rightSpoiler:Meredith?
Mwahahaha!!sigpic
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