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Originally posted by JT-2 View PostYeah, there are advantages to both kinds I suppose. If crowds or long lines or camping out doesn't bother you, then a big con would be great. But I don't like any of those things.
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Great minds think alike. My back couldn't handle it either.
DC wouldn't be that far for me. I could even take the train and pretend to be SK.
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Originally posted by Southern Red View PostYou read my mind. Chicago was just a perfect size. Mr. SR wants to go to DragonCon, but I'm ignoring it until he forgets. Which won't take long. In fact he probably already has. My back can't handle all that standing around any more. *waves cane* The Hawaii one sounds great. I'm sorry it's so far though. Washington DC has a great convention center. What are we, chopped liver? Sure would be cheaper and easier to get to.I tell you Teal'c, hockey is the coolest game on Earth!
Did you not say it is played on ice, O'Neill?
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Originally posted by Southern Red View PostAnd I might even let you stay with me if you're good.
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Originally posted by mandogater View PostI think my back and knee issues are one of the reasons I may never make a bigger con. It's never a good sign when you check with an RA in college if you could bring a cane. I'll just have to keep a close eye on the page for the one in Columbus, OH to see if they ever get any SGA actors to come.
Sparky invalids assemble!
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Originally posted by JT-2 View PostI've had back problems since college (which was a long, long time ago for me ), so I hear ya.
Sparky invalids assemble!
*feels glares from other folks as she types this*
I'll be y'all's personal aide for the duration of the con.
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Originally posted by ShipperWriter View PostI'm here, the almost 25-year-old with hand and wrist problems and shin splints.
*feels glares from other folks as she types this*
I'll be y'all's personal aide for the duration of the con.
I'll be over here with ShipperWriter as assistant personal aide.(This is legal notice that any attempt to censor or delete, for the purpose of oppressing fair and open discussion, any statement made by me will be considered a violation of my right to free speech as guaranteed by the First Amendment of the United States Constitution, and will be dealt with in accordance with federal law.)
Sparky is on screen. Therefore, it is canon. Elizabeth is still out there. And John WILL bring her home.
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Anyone see the book review featured on GW's home page? It's for one of the Legacy books. All while reading it, I was just thinking, "SGA-R is doing it so much better."
But honestly, though. Even if I were completely unbiased toward the series, just from that one review alone, I would definitely not read the books, no matter how much they're declared to be canon. The review contains phrases such as, “not quite believable,” “felt a little out of place,” and “this just doesn’t seem like something our practical Athosian would do.” One can easily infer that the author is a Sheyla shipper from the lines, "Dr. Weir is almost nonexistent" and "Sheppard and Teyla briefly mistaken as husband and wife." The latter line and the scenario it insinuates is really audacious, in my opinion, considering how this book is supposed to take place in Season 2. Criticism is the bulk of the review, and the little light that it sheds on the positive side feels forced. From this thread, I've heard many things about the Legacy series, not many of which are kind, but it is really appalling to hear such commentary from a completely objective review.
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Originally posted by JT-2 View PostI've had back problems since college (which was a long, long time ago for me ), so I hear ya.
Sparky invalids assemble!
Originally posted by ShipperWriter View PostI'm here, the almost 25-year-old with hand and wrist problems and shin splints.
*feels glares from other folks as she types this*
I'll be y'all's personal aide for the duration of the con.
Originally posted by Scary Kitty View PostYou're all making me feel ashamed to admit my pathetic big toe bunion that stabs in pain if I'm not wearing the right shoes.
I'll be over here with ShipperWriter as assistant personal aide.
Originally posted by Sparks of Atlantis View PostAnyone see the book review featured on GW's home page? It's for one of the Legacy books. All while reading it, I was just thinking, "SGA-R is doing it so much better."
But honestly, though. Even if I were completely unbiased toward the series, just from that one review alone, I would definitely not read the books, no matter how much they're declared to be canon. The review contains phrases such as, “not quite believable,” “felt a little out of place,” and “this just doesn’t seem like something our practical Athosian would do.” One can easily infer that the author is a Sheyla shipper from the lines, "Dr. Weir is almost nonexistent" and "Sheppard and Teyla briefly mistaken as husband and wife." The latter line and the scenario it insinuates is really audacious, in my opinion, considering how this book is supposed to take place in Season 2. Criticism is the bulk of the review, and the little light that it sheds on the positive side feels forced. From this thread, I've heard many things about the Legacy series, not many of which are kind, but it is really appalling to hear such commentary from a completely objective review.
I don't know whether to laugh or cry about this. But I really shouldn't be up this late.
Jo Graham used her book Death Games as background for the Legacy books. As far as I can tell, all the characterizations go back to that book and of course her fanfic, all of which she has removed from various blogs. I'm glad the person who wrote that review sees it the same way I saw it when I read Homecoming. And even some reviewers on Amazon talk about how off the characterizations, particularly of John and Teyla, are. This has little to do with ship, but if you watched the show and got to know both of them, some of their actions in the books are totally unexplainable. And we won't even get into the whole reinvention of the Wraith. Since TPTB were planning to someday get John and Teyla together, it shouldn't be a surprise to anyone that the books were allowed to go in that direction. However, the way it was done destroys Teyla as a character and makes John look stupid, weak and indecisive. There are many many canon mistakes, along with many many science errors and I even found a few punctuation and grammar errors. How these books got approved is one of the all time mysteries of the Stargate universe.
Oh, and in fanfic Ronon and Radek were a couple, so I'm not surprised by that part either. You would be grateful she didn't write much about Elizabeth also if you had ever read how she was written in her fanfic. And Rodney gets not so great treatment all through the Legacy books also. *ends rant*
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Originally posted by Sparks of Atlantis View PostAnyone see the book review featured on GW's home page? It's for one of the Legacy books. All while reading it, I was just thinking, "SGA-R is doing it so much better."
But honestly, though. Even if I were completely unbiased toward the series, just from that one review alone, I would definitely not read the books, no matter how much they're declared to be canon. The review contains phrases such as, “not quite believable,” “felt a little out of place,” and “this just doesn’t seem like something our practical Athosian would do.” One can easily infer that the author is a Sheyla shipper from the lines, "Dr. Weir is almost nonexistent" and "Sheppard and Teyla briefly mistaken as husband and wife." The latter line and the scenario it insinuates is really audacious, in my opinion, considering how this book is supposed to take place in Season 2. Criticism is the bulk of the review, and the little light that it sheds on the positive side feels forced. From this thread, I've heard many things about the Legacy series, not many of which are kind, but it is really appalling to hear such commentary from a completely objective review.
I don't know whether to laugh or cry about this. But I really shouldn't be up this late.
Unlike some fanfic writers turned "pro" who do not seem to possess the ability to write unbiasedly about characters they ship. *shakes head*
Originally posted by Southern Red View PostOh please. I have socks older than you.
And definitely you. But you can be my aide. I'm not at all demanding. *shifty eyes*
Now that's just pathetic. At least I have an excuse for my aches and pains. Bring me a cool drink.
Oh lord child, have you hit my hot button. And so early in the morning also.
Jo Graham used her book Death Games as background for the Legacy books. As far as I can tell, all the characterizations go back to that book and of course her fanfic, all of which she has removed from various blogs. I'm glad the person who wrote that review sees it the same way I saw it when I read Homecoming. And even some reviewers on Amazon talk about how off the characterizations, particularly of John and Teyla, are. This has little to do with ship, but if you watched the show and got to know both of them, some of their actions in the books are totally unexplainable. And we won't even get into the whole reinvention of the Wraith. Since TPTB were planning to someday get John and Teyla together, it shouldn't be a surprise to anyone that the books were allowed to go in that direction. However, the way it was done destroys Teyla as a character and makes John look stupid, weak and indecisive. There are many many canon mistakes, along with many many science errors and I even found a few punctuation and grammar errors. How these books got approved is one of the all time mysteries of the Stargate universe.
Oh, and in fanfic Ronon and Radek were a couple, so I'm not surprised by that part either. You would be grateful she didn't write much about Elizabeth also if you had ever read how she was written in her fanfic. And Rodney gets not so great treatment all through the Legacy books also. *ends rant*
On a slightly different note, since we have some newer folks and it's been a while since we've discussed it: have you read any of the published SGA novels? If so, which ones and did you find that they felt more canon, like something you could've or would've liked to have seen on screen??? And did any of them seem to feel more Sparky than others? LOL
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Originally posted by ShipperWriter View PostDo both. *shakes head* I was just actually thinking about SGA/Fandimonium books a couple days ago. I just started re-reading "Casualties of War" which, literally, feels like the novelization of an episode. But in contrast to another author who will remain nameless for this paragraph, the author of CoW actually works for the Air Force, so she has a clear understanding of rules and regs and has a very good way with using the words to paint a picture.
Unlike some fanfic writers turned "pro" who do not seem to possess the ability to write unbiasedly about characters they ship. *shakes head*
Hmm. I'm beginning to think this was a bad idea.
This. I've never read the Legacy books and am not intending to do so, even under threat of death, but if neutral readers that are fans of the canon show can make those distinctions, it only serves to reinforce my decision.
On a slightly different note, since we have some newer folks and it's been a while since we've discussed it: have you read any of the published SGA novels? If so, which ones and did you find that they felt more canon, like something you could've or would've liked to have seen on screen??? And did any of them seem to feel more Sparky than others? LOLSpoiler:about Elizabeth, since I believe they had her descend in the series or at least wrote that she had ascended.
I have read Mirror Mirror, which I found very Sparky asSpoiler:John and Elizabeth were together for most of it. They were careful to not hint at any romance though.
I also read Reliquary and enjoyed it though I don't remember many details. I don't think any of the books have any Sparky ship, or any other for that matter.
I read the novelization of Rising also, which pretty much follows the script right up to the end whereSpoiler:instead of staying on the balcony with Elizabeth, John is led away by the hand by Teyla. Interesting change, wouldn't you say.
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Good morning, Sparkies! Happy Screw the Angst Wednesday!
Originally posted by Southern Red View PostNow that's just pathetic. At least I have an excuse for my aches and pains. Bring me a cool drink.
As far as the novels go...actually, scratch that, I won't even talk about those novels, they're an offense to my sensibilities and they don't exist in my universe. And it looks from the reviews of canon fans that are more objective than we are that they agree with that sentiment.
Originally posted by Southern Red View PostI hate to be the bearer of bad news, but there is a possibility of 2 more legacy books. They are waiting for the decision by MGM even as we speak. The first will be called "Unascended" and from what I hear will most likely beSpoiler:about Elizabeth, since I believe they had her descend in the series or at least wrote that she had ascended.
Originally posted by Southern Red View PostI read the novelization of Rising also, which pretty much follows the script right up to the end whereSpoiler:instead of staying on the balcony with Elizabeth, John is led away by the hand by Teyla. Interesting change, wouldn't you say.(This is legal notice that any attempt to censor or delete, for the purpose of oppressing fair and open discussion, any statement made by me will be considered a violation of my right to free speech as guaranteed by the First Amendment of the United States Constitution, and will be dealt with in accordance with federal law.)
Sparky is on screen. Therefore, it is canon. Elizabeth is still out there. And John WILL bring her home.
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Originally posted by Scary Kitty View Post
I have a copy of the first draft of the Rising script (found it on eBay), and it ends this way also. It's typical for a novelization of a film/TV pilot/episode to be based off an earlier draft of a script due to the lead time needed to write and publish the book in order to meet a release date. As to why TPTW changed their minds about how to end the episode...interesting, indeed.
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Originally posted by Southern Red View PostSo it looks like they backed off that ship right from the pilot. Maybe somebody was paying attention to onscreen chemistry.(This is legal notice that any attempt to censor or delete, for the purpose of oppressing fair and open discussion, any statement made by me will be considered a violation of my right to free speech as guaranteed by the First Amendment of the United States Constitution, and will be dealt with in accordance with federal law.)
Sparky is on screen. Therefore, it is canon. Elizabeth is still out there. And John WILL bring her home.
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Originally posted by ShipperWriter View PostOn a slightly different note, since we have some newer folks and it's been a while since we've discussed it: have you read any of the published SGA novels? If so, which ones and did you find that they felt more canon, like something you could've or would've liked to have seen on screen??? And did any of them seem to feel more Sparky than others? LOL
Originally posted by Southern Red View PostI hate to be the bearer of bad news, but there is a possibility of 2 more legacy books. They are waiting for the decision by MGM even as we speak. The first will be called "Unascended" and from what I hear will most likely beSpoiler:about Elizabeth, since I believe they had her descend in the series or at least wrote that she had ascended.
I read the novelization of Rising also, which pretty much follows the script right up to the end whereSpoiler:instead of staying on the balcony with Elizabeth, John is led away by the hand by Teyla. Interesting change, wouldn't you say.
Originally posted by Scary Kitty View PostI have a copy of the first draft of the Rising script (found it on eBay), and it ends this way also. It's typical for a novelization of a film/TV pilot/episode to be based off an earlier draft of a script due to the lead time needed to write and publish the book in order to meet a release date. As to why TPTW changed their minds about how to end the episode...interesting, indeed.
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