Elizabeth Weir/John Sheppard Appreciation/Ship/Discussion Thread

[Aang]

So "Hard Candy" is a Christmas song?

Hard Candy Christmas is not really a Christmas song...but it's still a good song

[Sparky She-Demon]

You didn't say it was a Dolly Parton song!

[Falcon Horus]

No time for Christmas yet - Sinterklaas first on the 6th of december.

[Aang]

You didn't say it was a Dolly Parton song!

*cheeky grin* I might have conveniently forgotten to mention that part...

[Sparky She-Demon]

*cheeky grin* I might have conveniently forgotten to mention that part...

It's still a nice song. I was pleasantly surprised!

[Aang]

It's still a nice song. I was pleasantly surprised!

Of course it's still a nice song, there's nothing wrong with Dolly Parton *hides her 25+ Dolly Parton albums*

[Sparky She-Demon]

Of course it's still a nice song, there's nothing wrong with Dolly Parton *hides her 25+ Dolly Parton albums*

More than 25 Dolly Parton albums!?!? I think I've found another obsession of yours!

[Aang]

More than 25 Dolly Parton albums!?!? I think I've found another obsession of yours!

Yep. Yes, you did. There's a third obsession as well, but we won't get into my Barbie collection. Heh.

[Sparky She-Demon]

yep. Yes, you did. There's a third obsession as well, but we won't get into my barbie collection. Heh. :d

oy.

[Aang]

oy.

...That bad? Sorry

[Sparky She-Demon]

...That bad? Sorry

It's not bad, just oy.

[Pearl of Atlantis76]

You do realize certain writing-rules apply to the forum that is GW, right? Netiquette and all that jazz.

If you want people to read your posts, then make sure they don't go cross-eyed. Otherwise they might just skip the entire thing. I've seen people do it, and saying as much, so I know it happens.

Besides, it's your story - that shouldn't be too hard. Unless, English isn't your native language in which case it could be slightly more difficult.

I was/am never good at etiquette, LOL. And English is not my native language, but i am terrible at breaking sentences in to paragraphs even on my own language, so. But i get what you mean. I fixed it a little bit. Hope it is better now.

That motto is common in all branches of the military. You hear it in every show and movie ever done about combat. We all know that the writers are to blame for John not doing more to find her, and by this point in the show, they also didn't mind making him look less than the hero they built him up to be earlier. I don't understand hating the motto.

Yeah, i know. That's why i can't stand it either (now) even in other shows. Oh yes, of course i understand that the writers are the ones to blame for John not going after Elizabeth, but in the context of the story, as we watched it, is not fair. I mean if we would imagine this wasn't a story, we could blame John for doing nothing in order to try and get her back. You don't understand hating the motto? When you listen to it being said over and over and then when it is the time to follow that rule/motto with someone as important as Elizabeth and then they did the opposite it makes us think that the motto is a complete nonsense, quite hypocrite. And i can't listen to it, even hate it, because everytime i hear it, it reminds me of what happened to Elizabeth and i just can't accept that.

I'm not sure how many times Rodney wears that uniform. Why don't you do go to the GW main page, click on "episodes", then "Stargate Atlantis" and then you can choose a season? Each episode has screen captures that you can view, so you can find the ones for yourself in which Rodney wears the different uniforms. That's how I found a pic of him from FS wearing a look similar to John's.

Thank you for the suggestion, but i rather watch the episodes and find it out that way.

You are a writer because you wrote something. So, why not take a moment to break it down into smaller bits so your audience can follow it better? We would all appreciate it very much.

Thank you for saying that. I already did that. Enjoy!

I like your new sig, SR.

And this whole “we don’t leave our people behind in the hands of the enemy” is an American military motto that have existed for a long time so it’s no surprise that John lives (or lived) by that but it was very OOC for him to not even try and find some way to help her, or at least to find out what happened to her, and while he wasn’t the only one who felt OOC during season 4 he was the most noticeable since we have seen him go far to save people in the past, and since everyone in team Shep knew exactly what the replicators were capable of it’s odd it didn’t feel like them to not do something to make sure that one of their own didn’t have to spend long suffering from that, I personally wouldn’t have been able to live with myself. I also found it odd that if anyone knew exactly what the replicators were capable off its Carter who have been on the receiving end of another human like replicators obsession in the past, and that she let it be was very OOC by her as well (unless she loved the idea of being the leader of Atlantis so badly that she did it on purpose, even if I hope not because it would be OOC as well). It’s also sad that when you think back at Elizabeth’s time as a leader there wasn’t a moment when she didn’t put the members of the expedition’s needs before her own, the way she made sure to always be there when they came back from being off-world, the way she didn’t rest until they were all back safe and sound, the way she always had their backs and did her best to encourage and support them, it was as if that suddenly didn’t mean anything and that didn’t sit well with me at all.

We saw him going far to save people in the past and we saw him doing it once again in the future, that's why i feel so angry that only when it came to Elizabeth, he wasn't capable of doing anything!

That thought had crossed my mind as well, but at the same time i would prefer not to go that way, because like you said, it would have been very OOC.

That's what makes me feel even angrier and sadder as well. They completely turned their backs on her, after all what she had done for all of them.

Maybe that is were the dumbing down of John began?

I was refering to Jewel playing the female Wraith in Season 2's Instinct.

I am not sure, maybe it was.

Oh yes, i had totally forgotten about the season 2 episode "Instincts" in which she actually acts as a Wraith. Thank you for reminding me of it.

Most likely. And anything they could do post S3 to make John look stupid and/or annoy Joe seemed part of the plan. He should have started telling them the opposite of what he really wanted. Sheesh.

Yes, he should have. And if he only knew what was going to happen next, i am sure he would have.

Yeah, I know, I'm angsty even at Christmas. Here's the wallie to go with the new sig.

Spoiler:

Love it!

[Sparky She-Demon]

Hi Pearl of Atlantis. How's it going?

[Aang]

It's not bad, just oy.

...Heh, then I won't tell you how many Barbie dolls I have...

[Sparky She-Demon]

...Heh, then I won't tell you how many Barbie dolls I have...

I don't want to know...