Elizabeth Weir/John Sheppard Appreciation/Ship/Discussion Thread

[JT-2]

Like Scotty looking for his mark before he's beamed up at the end of City on the Edge of Forever?

Never saw that. *waits for thread to hit me*

[ShipperWriter]

I made my deadline!

There are three new chapters of "We'll Always Have M51-936" posted for your reading pleasure!!!

[Falcon Horus]

Chaya - you can say whatever you like but I liked her very much.

[mandogater]

Never saw that. *waits for thread to hit me*

How about when the stromtrooper hit his head on the door in Episode IV?

[Falcon Horus]

How about when the stromtrooper hit his head on the door in Episode IV?

Have you ever worn one of those helmets? Cause there should have been more hits with the limited sight.

[Southern Red]

Chaya - you can say whatever you like but I liked her very much.

You are dead to me.

We went to see The Hunger Games today and enjoyed it very much. They did a fine job.

[ShipperWriter]

You are dead to me.

We went to see The Hunger Games today and enjoyed it very much. They did a fine job.

You don't really mean that ... do you?

Waiting for "The Hunger Games" to come to cheap theater. Still wanna see it. I should take a page out of JT's book and go read some HG fic.

[Scary Kitty]

Chaya - you can say whatever you like but I liked her very much.

You are dead to me.

We went to see The Hunger Games today and enjoyed it very much. They did a fine job.

I still need to read the books. I was reminded of that when I saw the hardcovers at Costco today for 10.93 each.

[ShipperWriter]

I still need to read the books. I was reminded of that when I saw the hardcovers at Costco today for 10.93 each.

The books are good, but like any movie based on a book, there are always differences. But good reading.

Heading to bed, need sleep horribly. Just watched season premiere of "Eureka" and "Castle". WOW. More on that laters, after everyone's seen them.

Night!!!

[mandogater]

Have you ever worn one of those helmets? Cause there should have been more hits with the limited sight.

Not yet. I have, however, read an article in Star Wars Insider where the limited sight was mentioned.

[gateraid]

Glad you had fun. We missed you yesterday.




I was thinking about that. I'm not sure by Hot Zone how long they had been in Atlantis, only a few months for certain. Maybe they were gradually giving the gene shot to first the scientists and then maybe it would have been offered to the military guys. They definitely needed more pilots, but they wouldn't have known that before discovering the puddle jumpers. If so, they would have brought them from Earth.

I do remember reading a character bio (that's probably a bit grandiose, more like a blurb) for Rodney when the show began that mentioned he was jealous of those with the ATA gene (specifically Sheppard) which was why he was so eager to have the highly experimental gene therapy. Although, if that was the intention, the scene that conveyed that made it seem less of an issue.

Perhaps they rolled it out slowly in case there were any side effects?

Originally, John was more valuable for the gene than his piloting skills. Surely TPTB must have had an idea to make a big deal out of him since that is, after all, the whole premise of their including him in the expedition. *massive sarcastic eye roll*

It's possible that that was their plan until s2, when they had regular contact with Earth. Until that point, nobody else could fly the jumpers particularly well.

That's a thought. And I always wondered about the part in Adrift when all the people with the gene suddenly become pilots. I know there was some throwaway line about them taking flying lessons, but come on. Just because you can make all the controls light up doesn't mean you can fly the thing in a straight line. Rodney is proof of that. It's probably quite a bit harder than driving your Prius to the grocery store.

Rodney did whine on about how they weren't all pilots, but its not like it actually mattered. It would have hammered the point home if some of them had died. Like you rightly point out, its not like driving a Prius. Just because I can fly a remote control helicopter doesn't mean I can fly an F-18 in combat For that matter, I can't see John being able to fly a 302 either. The Deadalus, perhaps, although I'd be looking over his shoulder before he tried to take it into hyperspace

Throwing in 2 cents about the ATA discussion - is it possible that they did more research (behind the scenes) and worked on the gene some more to the point that it had higher that a 48% success rate?

It's possible. I'm sure if the gene ever became an issue again they would have mentioned it. I can't recall if Carson mentioned anything about the success rate during The Tower.

Hee hee. I didn't notice it either because it goes by too fast. But some clever person posted pics when it first aired. Besides, I wouldn't exactly be looking at his hands.

You would be looking at his instrument, no?

Spoiler:

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I'm sure you'd get a beautiful tune out of him if you asked nicely

I like that.

They threw that out the window when Ford managed to fly one though. Especially when he shouldn't have even been able to turn it on

Seriously! The gene was supposed to be Sheppard's Big Thing. You'd think TPTW would've had a plan...

I'm giving them considerable leeway here, I know, but I suspect they would have used that idea a bit more had they not put the ancient related stuff on the backburner from the start of s2

It's still my personal canon that John unconsciously broke through the nanites and reached Elizabeth with his Mad ATA Skillz.

There isn't enough evidence to support either of our positions fully on this issue

Like Scotty looking for his mark before he's beamed up at the end of City on the Edge of Forever?

Really? Lolz. I just saw a video review of that ep this week, it didn't look too bad.

Chaya - you can say whatever you like but I liked her very much.

I liked her too, although the ep does give me a few logic headaches, as s1 eps from many shows are wont to do

Have you ever worn one of those helmets? Cause there should have been more hits with the limited sight.

This is probably a dumb question, but are the Storm Troopers even human? Cause those helmets don't look like they were designed for a normal shaped head, unless they also have some sort of breathing apparatus for exposure to space.

[Southern Red]

Rodney did whine on about how they weren't all pilots, but its not like it actually mattered. It would have hammered the point home if some of them had died. Like you rightly point out, its not like driving a Prius. Just because I can fly a remote control helicopter doesn't mean I can fly an F-18 in combat For that matter, I can't see John being able to fly a 302 either. The Deadalus, perhaps, although I'd be looking over his shoulder before he tried to take it into hyperspace

They think they covered that quite adequately when they had John tell Elizabeth that he can fly anything. But we all know that's not possible. You just have to hand wave that or drive yourself crazy.

You would be looking at his instrument, no?

I was thinking his face, but that works too.

I'm sure you'd get a beautiful tune out of him if you asked nicely

I got a great hug from him just by looking pitiful asking nicely, so I'm sure I could have gotten a song also.

They threw that out the window when Ford managed to fly one though. Especially when he shouldn't have even been able to turn it on

Actually they explained that in the dialogue, but there was still a lot of chatter about it on the episode thread and elsewhere.

Spoiler:

WEIR (to Rodney): Can they detect that?

McKAY: I don't know.

WEIR: Shut it down!

McKAY: I can't -- the Jumper's in control.

I think the general explanation was that dialing the gate on the jumper gave control to the jumper, which then proceeded automatically. *shrugs* It's a stretch but not as big of a one as some of their explanations.

I liked her too, although the ep does give me a few logic headaches, as s1 eps from many shows are wont to do

And now you also are dead to me.

[Scary Kitty]

Good morning, Sparkies! Happy Smutty Tuesday!

You would be looking at his instrument, no?

Spoiler:

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I'm sure you'd get a beautiful tune out of him if you asked nicely

I'm giving them considerable leeway here, I know, but I suspect they would have used that idea a bit more had they not put the ancient related stuff on the backburner from the start of s2

That's probably the best explanation anyone can give. And hey, it's not like we don't give them a lot of leeway in other areas too.

There isn't enough evidence to support either of our positions fully on this issue

This is probably a dumb question, but are the Storm Troopers even human? Cause those helmets don't look like they were designed for a normal shaped head, unless they also have some sort of breathing apparatus for exposure to space.

Of course they're human. Well, human clones. Didn't you see the Star Wars prequel trilogy?

I got a great hug from him just by looking pitiful asking nicely, so I'm sure I could have gotten a song also.

Heeheehee!

Actually they explained that in the dialogue, but there was still a lot of chatter about it on the episode thread and elsewhere.

Spoiler:

WEIR (to Rodney): Can they detect that?

McKAY: I don't know.

WEIR: Shut it down!

McKAY: I can't -- the Jumper's in control.

I think the general explanation was that dialing the gate on the jumper gave control to the jumper, which then proceeded automatically. *shrugs* It's a stretch but not as big of a one as some of their explanations.

Indeed.

[ShipperWriter]

Good morning, everybody!

It's been a slow morning due to FCAT testing so I brought my computer with me and figured i'd make the most of it. So I did some pics and started a new chapter of fic. I'm amazed I'm actually working through it quickly, as least compared to my last couple of stories. When this one gets done, I'm itching to start a new AU where John is a hot high school math teacher. Hee hee.

Anyhoo. Back to work!

And a Sparky thought: out of all the episodes we've rewatched so far, what would you say is the best Sparky moment so far?

[Southern Red]

Good morning, everybody!

It's been a slow morning due to FCAT testing so I brought my computer with me and figured i'd make the most of it. So I did some pics and started a new chapter of fic. I'm amazed I'm actually working through it quickly, as least compared to my last couple of stories. When this one gets done, I'm itching to start a new AU where John is a hot high school math teacher. Hee hee.

Anyhoo. Back to work!

And a Sparky thought: out of all the episodes we've rewatched so far, what would you say is the best Sparky moment so far?

So far? Ummm....that would have to be the big rescue scene in The Eye. I know that was the beginning of shipping them for a lot of people.