Elizabeth Weir/John Sheppard Appreciation/Ship/Discussion Thread

[Anuna]

Just out of curiosity ... because I have in mind a short fic for ff.net ... in case of "love declaration" ... who would be the one to make the first move? Let's say that Elizabeth would encourage John in a subtle way to "get" her ... would he dare or ... would he wait for her to jump on him?
I'm curious

No, I think it would be more likely if it was other way around, him trying to convince her - although not verbally - that they should just do it

[Scary Kitty]

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I am so there! Everyone up for a round of chai lattes afterward?

Okay, that makes sense. Lockdown will be more of a medical crisis. In Adrift, John wasn't around much when they were tinkering with her nanites. This time he will have virtually nothing to do but wait and worry. I wonder how he will handle it.

I imagine he'll be climbing the walls. Perhaps literally as well as figuratively, if he's not in the same room with her.

I'm wondering after John sees her go through all of this again and remembering what he went through while she was gone that she knows nothing about if he would not distance himself somewhat from her. She wouldn't understand that and might be hurt by it. Remember in Adrift when this happened:

Spoiler:

McKAY: Someone should talk to her.

SHEPPARD: Well, Teyla’s in there.

McKAY: Alright.

(He turns and walks away.)

Then Teyla has the conversation with Elizabeth in which she tells her they should not have activated the nanites. Now, there has been some discussion on why John wouldn't go in there. I say it was because he felt he had failed her and couldn't face her. So seeing her in a similar situation should bring all those emotions back plus more.

Or, just to play devil's advocate, what if he thinks, "I pulled away from her before, and I ended up losing her." So he's afraid that if he pulls away again, he risks losing her again, just after they got her back. And he's torn because he doesn't know what to do.

Okay--question one: how did they work in relation to the 'danger' she posed in Adrift/Lifeline, and how do we distinguish between the two? I think it needs to be a little stronger than 'there are no replicators left, so she's also no longer a threat'. It needs to be a stronger reason than that. What were the outcomes of Miller's Crossing and Outcast regarding those replicators?

In Outcast, one of the Replicators got beamed into the upper atmosphere, and burned up on reentry; the other one was (without her knowledge) inserted into a virtual reality, and the nanites that made up her physical body were turned off and disassembled. In Miller's Crossing, Jeannie ended up in much the same state that Weir was in following TRW; she had a few inactive nanites floating around in her body.

As for Weir's nanites in Adrift, I think those were still a combination of a few of the original neutronium-based Replicator nanites from Niam, and the organic nanites. This time, all the remaining original nanites would be purged from her body somehow (they break down into their component elements and are flushed out through sweat, tears, etc.). The organic nanites that are left are literally bonded to her body at a genetic level, and they may be weaker in terms of how they interface with computers because they're organic instead of mechanical.

I've been thinking on this, and I think the mind-probing should be pretty brutal, gleaning everything she knew about Atlantis. I don't think physical torture is necessary; rather, everything was mental because of her nanites. We may be able to show scenes of Oberoth getting frustrated at not being able to break parts of her. And we can also show scenes of her being able to sense parts of her (all the nanites used to make all those clones are linked, somehow, to the Primus?) doing various things. Of course shots of TMC and Franibeth, and other versions of Weir, too.

I like this a lot. Perhaps some of her nanites were removed and placed into these duplicates in order to form that link? That could be the basis of the medical procedures performed on her; it's part of Oberoth's scientific experiments on Weir, her nanites, and how her hybrid form works.

- John confessing his love? No, I don't think so. I'd never buy it. At this point I don't think they understand their feelings. I think having her return is going to overwhelm him so much he's not going to know what to think. I could see, as SR mentions, him being unsure of what to do, though I don't think it's going to be as awkward as Adrift because by GITM he really, really wants her back, so he's willing to push the limit a little bit.

But I could see a really, really nice scene where, as the self-destruct is counting down, John places his hand on the wall (maybe he's made his way through the lockdown to the operating room, and can see her) and says something more personal to her than we're used to seeing from him? It would be the last thing said to 'Atlantis' after everyone else's confessions.

You know what might be fun? What if we have him tell her: (this is on the brain since I just saw it) 'do you remember, when I had that bug on my throat and we were stuck in the gate, there was something I wanted to tell you but you wouldn't let me? This is it: _______________').

Whatever he says, it's what stops the self-destruct and let Rodney/Carson/Jeannie finish the operation. It keeps in canon with John being the closest to Elizabeth, but doesn't overstep the bounds of shippiness.

AAAAAAHHHH! That's it! That's perfect!

I should explain about those Teyla and Ronon notes I left. Neither of those episodes will be Teyla- or Ronon-centric. But in an effort to break away from what's been done in the past, within those stories Teyla and Ronon need to have a voice, so they're not wallpaper. I felt like having Teyla be stronger voiced in the episodes surrounding Box of Dreams would be a good triple-set for Teyla.

I guess I don't want it forgotten that Teyla 1) has the wraith gift and 2) would weigh in about races in the Pegasus in relation to the Wraith. And I want Ronon to start developing a little more, which is why he throws his hat in with the coalition despite being an Atlantis team member.

Okay, now it makes sense. And I agree wholeheartedly, we need to bring both of them up to the forefront in stories where it makes sense that they would have a greater involvement. Just like having Elizabeth be the one to lead diplomatic negotiations, because, well, she's the diplomat.

With lots of tense staring/lip licking.

How about.... "I'm glad I came along. I'm glad you taled me, um... into it. I know you didn't want this (touches the wall with one hand tentatively, then pulls his hand away) - but I'm glad you're alive. (heavy, personal tone of voice) Please, 'Lizbeth..."

*flails*

[Eri13]

With lots of tense staring/lip licking.

How about.... "I'm glad I came along. I'm glad you taled me, um... into it. I know you didn't want this (touches the wall with one hand tentatively, then pulls his hand away) - but I'm glad you're alive. (heavy, personal tone of voice) Please, 'Lizbeth..."

Yes, plz. Except 'Elizabeth'. I have a fondness for the "E"s in E-names.

[Scary Kitty]

Eri, I had a thought on the episode you proposed where Elizabeth would be meeting Todd for the first time... After the meeting, maybe when Todd's being escorted back to his ship/the gate/however he got there, he makes some comment to John (or maybe someone else) about being impressed with Sheppard's/Atlantis's "Queen" (Elizabeth). After Todd referred to Sheppard as being a "brother" in Common Ground, I can see Todd thinking along those lines.

[Anuna]

Yes, plz. Except 'Elizabeth'. I have a fondness for the "E"s in E-names.

Pooping on my parade again, eh? Just kidding. I'm fine with either. As long as John uses his heavy - like - honey voice.

Eri, I had a thought on the episode you proposed where Elizabeth would be meeting Todd for the first time... After the meeting, maybe when Todd's being escorted back to his ship/the gate/however he got there, he makes some comment to John (or maybe someone else) about being impressed with Sheppard's/Atlantis's "Queen" (Elizabeth). After Todd referred to Sheppard as being a "brother" in Common Ground, I can see Todd thinking along those lines.

I wonder what happens when Elizabeth realizes that Todd is the Wraith from Common Ground?

[Scary Kitty]

Pooping on my parade again, eh? Just kidding. I'm fine with either. As long as John uses his heavy - like - honey voice.

That low, husky Voice that he only uses for her. *melts*

I wonder what happens when Elizabeth realizes that Todd is the Wraith from Common Ground?

*cackles* Ohhhhhh, to be a fly on the wall in that scene!

[Eri13]

Good morning, Sparkies! Happy Pretty Friday!

I am so there! Everyone up for a round of chai lattes afterward?

SOY CHAI! MMMMMMMMMMMM.

I imagine he'll be climbing the walls. Perhaps literally as well as figuratively, if he's not in the same room with her.

Or, just to play devil's advocate, what if he thinks, "I pulled away from her before, and I ended up losing her." So he's afraid that if he pulls away again, he risks losing her again, just after they got her back. And he's torn because he doesn't know what to do.

In Outcast, one of the Replicators got beamed into the upper atmosphere, and burned up on reentry; the other one was (without her knowledge) inserted into a virtual reality, and the nanites that made up her physical body were turned off and disassembled. In Miller's Crossing, Jeannie ended up in much the same state that Weir was in following TRW; she had a few inactive nanites floating around in her body.

As for Weir's nanites in Adrift, I think those were still a combination of a few of the original neutronium-based Replicator nanites from Niam, and the organic nanites. This time, all the remaining original nanites would be purged from her body somehow (they break down into their component elements and are flushed out through sweat, tears, etc.). The organic nanites that are left are literally bonded to her body at a genetic level, and they may be weaker in terms of how they interface with computers because they're organic instead of mechanical.

I like this a lot. Perhaps some of her nanites were removed and placed into these duplicates in order to form that link? That could be the basis of the medical procedures performed on her; it's part of Oberoth's scientific experiments on Weir, her nanites, and how her hybrid form works.

AAAAAAHHHH! That's it! That's perfect!

Okay, now it makes sense. And I agree wholeheartedly, we need to bring both of them up to the forefront in stories where it makes sense that they would have a greater involvement. Just like having Elizabeth be the one to lead diplomatic negotiations, because, well, she's the diplomat.

*flails*

I like that idea for the cloning of the Weir--plus it makes an easier explanation for how her 'soul' ended up in different bodies (because even though we've been told replicators have a machine that can do the 'mental transition' thing, it's not exactly an easy process).

I'm starting to get a better sense of how the nanite thing will work. But I appreciate further insight from others! I'll try and make complete thoughts for this so all writers can 'get it'.

[Eri13]

Eri, I had a thought on the episode you proposed where Elizabeth would be meeting Todd for the first time... After the meeting, maybe when Todd's being escorted back to his ship/the gate/however he got there, he makes some comment to John (or maybe someone else) about being impressed with Sheppard's/Atlantis's "Queen" (Elizabeth). After Todd referred to Sheppard as being a "brother" in Common Ground, I can see Todd thinking along those lines.

Pooping on my parade again, eh? Just kidding. I'm fine with either. As long as John uses his heavy - like - honey voice.

I wonder what happens when Elizabeth realizes that Todd is the Wraith from Common Ground?

I think we can compromise that 'honey' voice. But I'm very protective of my "E"'s. *lightsaber*

Ooo! Nuna's right, so he'd already know about how impressive she is. *rubs hands gleefully* I LOVE the Queen implication!

- SK, can you comment on that in the story on the comm?

[Eri13]

Alright...hopefully this will be my last multi-post for administrative purposes...

Do we have a majority agreed for the Wraith arc inclusion in our Season 6, and the McKay episode? I've heard favorable on both, but I'd like at least 5-6 members to step up and approve (including our show runner).

Once I get that approval, then I'll alter the comm to reflect it, and we'll be set on our episode list. Then we can delve further into the episodes that need exposition.

[Southern Red]

Pooping on my parade again, eh? Just kidding. I'm fine with either. As long as John uses his heavy - like - honey voice.



I wonder what happens when Elizabeth realizes that Todd is the Wraith from Common Ground?

And when Todd meets Elizabeth. Todd is very tuned into John. Will he sense any emotion perhaps?

Alright...hopefully this will be my last multi-post for administrative purposes...

Do we have a majority agreed for the Wraith arc inclusion in our Season 6, and the McKay episode? I've heard favorable on both, but I'd like at least 5-6 members to step up and approve (including our show runner).

Once I get that approval, then I'll alter the comm to reflect it, and we'll be set on our episode list. Then we can delve further into the episodes that need exposition.

Huh, what? Me? Yes. *stamps approval*

[nephtys59]

Step up and approve

[Scary Kitty]

SOY CHAI! MMMMMMMMMMMM.

*clinks glasses*

I think we can compromise that 'honey' voice. But I'm very protective of my "E"'s. *lightsaber*

Ooo! Nuna's right, so he'd already know about how impressive she is. *rubs hands gleefully* I LOVE the Queen implication!

- SK, can you comment on that in the story on the comm?

*salutes*

Alright...hopefully this will be my last multi-post for administrative purposes...

Do we have a majority agreed for the Wraith arc inclusion in our Season 6, and the McKay episode? I've heard favorable on both, but I'd like at least 5-6 members to step up and approve (including our show runner).

Once I get that approval, then I'll alter the comm to reflect it, and we'll be set on our episode list. Then we can delve further into the episodes that need exposition.

You've got a 'GO' vote from me on both ideas! Let's do it!

Oh, and something else to consider on the Wraith arc... whatever happened to the remainder of Michael's hybrids? He brought quite a few with him in The Prodigal, but I can't imagine he brought them all. And there's his various labs scattered over many planets with all his experiments to consider. I wonder if anyone's stumbled onto them yet... Or maybe that's something we can hold in reserve for Season 7.

And when Todd meets Elizabeth. Todd is very tuned into John. Will he sense any emotion perhaps?

Oh, I'd say so. That Todd's a pretty canny fellow.

[Erin87]

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Ooo, de-stress! I so need that!

If I remember correctly, the general idea was to have Elizabeth sedated while her nanites were connected to the city. I was thinking, that a way for John to communicate with her would be the hologram room, where she takes the place of the familiar ancient figure and John could conviince her to trust him once again ... just my 5 cents

That's kinda cool...

I like all of that for HOM. That's something I could see with canon Elizabeth.

I should explain about those Teyla and Ronon notes I left. Neither of those episodes will be Teyla- or Ronon-centric. But in an effort to break away from what's been done in the past, within those stories Teyla and Ronon need to have a voice, so they're not wallpaper. I felt like having Teyla be stronger voiced in the episodes surrounding Box of Dreams would be a good triple-set for Teyla.

I guess I don't want it forgotten that Teyla 1) has the wraith gift and 2) would weigh in about races in the Pegasus in relation to the Wraith. And I want Ronon to start developing a little more, which is why he throws his hat in with the coalition despite being an Atlantis team member.

Okay, I get it now. Yeah, I definitely agree that the wallpapering should end.

Finally--a story suggestion that is cliched, but I think could be SO FUN.

For the McKay standalone, has their been a 'groundhog day' type story in SG? I know not in SGA, but in SG-1? Supernatural did it a little while ago with Dean getting killed a different way everyday and Sam trying to figure out how to stop it, and it was super fun (and a little disturbing).

I'd propose starting off the episode with Rodney looking on, horrified, as the city explodes.

Then, all of a sudden Rodney wakes up in his room. Why? Because he's relived this day in Atlantis over and over and doesn't know how to break the cycle of his causing the city to explode (or something else drastic). Rodney needs to figure out how to prevent it, or he can't break the cycle--he just keeps waking up in the same day over and over. The first few scenes would show all the interactions he goes through during that day, so we set up what he's going to see and who he's going to interact with.

Then, as the days relive themselves, we see him interacting those same scenes in different ways. Like maybe one day he's very sweet with Keller, then in the next he blows her off.

The whole reason this came about in my head was a blatant way to drop Sparky smack in front of the audience. Let's say each day there's a scene where Rodney is trying to explain about the explosion to John and Elizabeth and each time they assure him they trust him to fix the problem. But every time they do, it's John starting and Elizabeth finishing, or Elizabeth starting and John finishing--them working in tandem, as they always do.

So by about the 3rd or 4th time Rodney goes through this and he's terribly frustrated because he knows what they're going to say and how they're going to say it, he starts off the conversation with "have you two ever thought about skipping the underlying sexual tension thing and just going straight to it? Because at this point I'd say it's pretty damn obvious how you feel about each other.' And then march out of the room, leaving them awkwardly uncomfortable.

Ah, the possibilities of what Rodney could do or say throughout Atlantis!!!

LOL! Love the scene with John and Liz! I can so picture Rodney exploding like that.
And yeah, the repeating day thing has been done before, like was mentioned, but I'm sure we could find some way to put an SGA spin on it. This idea has a lot of fun potential.

You've got my approval on the Wraith arc for this season.
Oh, and a belated Probie!

[Falcon Horus]

What do you think--the groundhog day scenario is sorta scenes a faire, but is this too similar an idea to that one? Or do you think a rerunning 'day in the life' would be fun for SGA and Rodney?

We could diversify it a little by making Rodney realize the only way he can fix things is to make Zelenka solve the problem, giving Zelenka his hero's moment.

I have to say yes, for the simple reason that I want to see Rodney fail miserably at saving himself. Just like the time he blew up 5/6th of a solar system.

[Scary Kitty]

I have to say yes, for the simple reason that I want to see Rodney fail miserably at saving himself. Just like the time he blew up 5/6th of a solar system.

*snerks*