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    Good morning, Sparkies! Happy Canon Monday!

    Originally posted by Luz View Post
    This is why I stopped paying attention to them and other ptb, because they never make any sense. Just give me my shows and shut up, that's all I need from them.
    Well, some PTB are good and actually listen to the fans. Marvel Studios, I'm saluting you.

    Originally posted by JT-2 View Post
    MG has a brain?

    MG has a personality?
    *snorts*

    Originally posted by JT-2 View Post
    Although, to be fair, I can't think of a single TV show where that part actually happens.
    Very true. They'd probably have gotten hit with a stronger content rating if they had.

    Originally posted by JT-2 View Post
    Loved that line!
    I know, right? He even sounds bored when he says it, like I'm so done with fighting the Wraith, let's get this over with and go home so I can finish my coffee break, blahblahblah. Too funny!

    Originally posted by JT-2 View Post
    Now I'm picturing it too. *giggles*
    And hoping the vase breaks for good measure.
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    Sparky is on screen. Therefore, it is canon. Elizabeth is still out there. And John WILL bring her home.

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      Originally posted by Scary Kitty View Post
      Well, some PTB are good and actually listen to the fans. Marvel Studios, I'm saluting you.
      Well, I'm not a Marvel fan, so I wouldn't know about that.

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          Originally posted by Sparky She-Demon View Post
          And why is it that the boring ones got all the attention?
          That’s a very good question!

          Originally posted by Scary Kitty View Post
          Brilliant posts! I think the fact that all these great characters with such amazing development potential coming about by "accident" is ultimately the real legacy, and the real disappointment, of SGA. All these years later, and it's still a source of tremendous frustration for me to watch and know that it could have been so much better.

          But then, that's what we have SGA Rising for.
          And I am really grateful for that!!!!

          Originally posted by Southern Red View Post
          On another subject, I just finished Exogenesis and liked it very much. Lots of action with perfect characterizations. No overt ship of any kind, but if you squint you can find just about any ship you can imagine. And
          Spoiler:
          there is a Sparky scene near the end that perfectly fit their relationship on the show.
          Why, oh why, didn't these women get picked to write the S6 tie-in books?
          I guess I will have to get that one as well.

          Originally posted by Annelantis View Post
          I thought it was brilliant that John Sheppard was a military flyboy but had an intelligence to rival the "smart guys". He was obviously smart with numbers but it was also the way he saw things and argued and came up with plans that were "out of the box" so to speak.It really set him apart from SG-1's military lead, Jack. But as time went on they just dumbed him down, culminating in that "wonderful" moment in season 5 when Rodney and Daniel laugh about how he could have been MENSA. That just really annoyed me.
          John and Jack are totally different. I can’t understand why certain people are able to compare them, I think they are opposites.

          And I really hate that part in season 5 when Rodney and Daniel laugh of John and the fact John could have been MENSA.

          Originally posted by Annelantis View Post
          The Elizabeth was lost in season 4. And instead of being upset about losing his boss and his friend, he was [/I]excited[/I] about getting her job! That was just plain wrong.
          I agree. In some occasions, Rodney did feel guilty. I specially remember the end of This Mortal Coil, but in others he also showed that he didn’t care.

          Originally posted by Luz View Post
          In general there is this notion from mainly SG1 fans of SG1 as the superior show. Which is to be expected, with it being their favorite. Personally I don't agree, at all. And when people try to use the ten years it lasted as proof of its superiority, I check out.
          SGA was and will always be my favourite!!!

          TPTB clearly always showed which one was their favourite. Maybe they shouldn’t have created Atlantis then.

          I can’t say I am a fan of SG1. I liked it but I don’t consider myself a fan of the show. SGA is definitely my favourite and both shows can’t be compared in my opinion. I am definitely a huge fan, of the first 3 seasons of SGA!!!!

          Originally posted by JT-2 View Post
          1) That candlelight dinner scene with John and Teyla, while exciting the Sheyla shippers, must have confused the hell out of everyone else.
          It sure looked pretty weird and confusing at the time. And the conversation itself was pretty weird too. And how come John didn’t remember saving her, if he actually did it. And why did Ford showed up out of the blue?

          Originally posted by JT-2 View Post
          1a) John's blood loss fueled hallucination features Teyla wearing Pebbles Flintstone hair? At least Michael hallucinates her looking attractive and grown up.


          Originally posted by JT-2 View Post
          2)I hated, hated, hated that they used a Simpsons joke for John. That's Jack's thing. This is ATLANTIS, not SG-1.
          That’s exactly what I think!!! We never heard John talking about the Simpsons, never! On the other hand, we all know Jack is a huge fan of the Simpsons. It was really stupid!!! I still wonder, why did they end SG1, if they loved it so much!!!! You are absolutely right!! This is Atlantis not SG-1, they shouldn’t be compared!!!
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              Originally posted by Scary Kitty View Post
              I could swear I heard somewhere that Michael had Clone!Carson give him the ATA gene.
              I don't remember hearing that but then again, Ford never got the gene on screen but could fly a jumper in Siege Part 3. I guess anything is possible with enough hand waving or a big enough plot hole.
              I tell you Teal'c, hockey is the coolest game on Earth!

              Did you not say it is played on ice, O'Neill?

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                I took a nap. Feel SO much better now. What a long, long day.

                Originally posted by Scary Kitty View Post
                Well, some PTB are good and actually listen to the fans. Marvel Studios, I'm saluting you.
                Farscape PTB actually encouraged their actors to discuss their characters with them. I don't know which is more common place in the entertainment field (I suspect it's Stargate's "we rule the world so you shut up"). Sad to say.


                Originally posted by Scary Kitty View Post
                Very true. They'd probably have gotten hit with a stronger content rating if they had.
                Even birth shows like those on TLC or Discovery Health don't show or even discuss that part. I bet there have been plenty of birthing moms out there who hadn't done any research who were shocked as hell with that. "What do you mean I'm not done? This is the part where the happy music plays and we fade out!"

                Originally posted by Scary Kitty View Post
                I know, right? He even sounds bored when he says it, like I'm so done with fighting the Wraith, let's get this over with and go home so I can finish my coffee break, blahblahblah. Too funny!
                And get back into his courting sweater.


                Originally posted by Nolamom View Post


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                That's really awesome! I can't green you so here's some ALTERNATIVE GREEN.



                Originally posted by Pearl of Atlantis76 View Post
                I agree. In some occasions, Rodney did feel guilty. I specially remember the end of This Mortal Coil, but in others he also showed that he didn’t care.
                Yeah, that's the writers not being smart and just using whatever whim they are feeling at the time. They were thinking more like themselves ... "we're happy Torri is gone and Amanda is here (it's like we didn't have to give up our favorite SG-1)" instead of thinking how the characters would. But then when they feel it can get some good mileage, they make him more like Rodney would really be, IMHO, and that's upset at losing one of his friends and one of the few people he always respected. Of course, this is a place where actor feedback would have helped out. The only reason I think John was more consistently sad was because of Joe's stubbornness (we <3 you, Joe).




                Originally posted by Pearl of Atlantis76 View Post
                It sure looked pretty weird and confusing at the time. And the conversation itself was pretty weird too. And how come John didn’t remember saving her, if he actually did it. And why did Ford showed up out of the blue?
                I will always wonder if Torri had agreed to do GitM, would they have used her for this cameo. But I suppose that's giving them too much credit.


                Originally posted by Pearl of Atlantis76 View Post
                That’s exactly what I think!!! We never heard John talking about the Simpsons, never! On the other hand, we all know Jack is a huge fan of the Simpsons. It was really stupid!!! I still wonder, why did they end SG1, if they loved it so much!!!! You are absolutely right!! This is Atlantis not SG-1, they shouldn’t be compared!!!
                They ended SG-1 because they had to, not because they wanted to. If they could have kept RDA working for them forever, I think they would have kept it going as long as they could. SG-1 was clearly their love.



                Originally posted by mandogater View Post
                I don't remember hearing that but then again, Ford never got the gene on screen but could fly a jumper in Siege Part 3. I guess anything is possible with enough hand waving or a big enough plot hole.
                Well said.

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                  Originally posted by mandogater View Post
                  I don't remember hearing that but then again, Ford never got the gene on screen but could fly a jumper in Siege Part 3. I guess anything is possible with enough hand waving or a big enough plot hole.
                  The explanation TPTW gave later was that Ford dialed the jumper's DHD and the jumper basically flew itself on autopilot. If you remember from Rising, Ford dialed the jumper's DHD to open the space gate back to Atlantis when they were trying to escape the Wraith, so TPTW's explanation for Ford being able to "fly" the jumper in The Siege seems plausible. Sort of.

                  Originally posted by JT-2 View Post
                  I took a nap. Feel SO much better now. What a long, long day.
                  *hugs you*

                  Originally posted by JT-2 View Post
                  Farscape PTB actually encouraged their actors to discuss their characters with them. I don't know which is more common place in the entertainment field (I suspect it's Stargate's "we rule the world so you shut up"). Sad to say.
                  I think you're right about which methodology is the prevalent one. Babylon 5 is another good one where the creator listened to the actors/fans and had a great open door policy. To this day, J. Michael Straczynski is still a big fan favorite.

                  Originally posted by JT-2 View Post
                  Even birth shows like those on TLC or Discovery Health don't show or even discuss that part. I bet there have been plenty of birthing moms out there who hadn't done any research who were shocked as hell with that. "What do you mean I'm not done? This is the part where the happy music plays and we fade out!"
                  I don't know whether to laugh or cringe at that.

                  Originally posted by JT-2 View Post
                  And get back into his courting sweater.
                  OMG! How could I forget the courting sweater! Hmm, come to think of it, I don't recall him ever wearing it after Season 3. Do you suppose he put it away in mourning for Lizzeh?

                  Originally posted by JT-2 View Post
                  Yeah, that's the writers not being smart and just using whatever whim they are feeling at the time. They were thinking more like themselves ... "we're happy Torri is gone and Amanda is here (it's like we didn't have to give up our favorite SG-1)" instead of thinking how the characters would. But then when they feel it can get some good mileage, they make him more like Rodney would really be, IMHO, and that's upset at losing one of his friends and one of the few people he always respected. Of course, this is a place where actor feedback would have helped out. The only reason I think John was more consistently sad was because of Joe's stubbornness (we <3 you, Joe).
                  In Joe We Trust.

                  Originally posted by JT-2 View Post
                  I will always wonder if Torri had agreed to do GitM, would they have used her for this cameo. But I suppose that's giving them too much credit.
                  Way too much credit.

                  Originally posted by Nolamom View Post
                  http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j55/Nolamom/Shippiness/th_JohnElizabethSketch.jpg

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                  That's fantastic!
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                  Sparky is on screen. Therefore, it is canon. Elizabeth is still out there. And John WILL bring her home.

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                    Originally posted by Nolamom View Post
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                    Awesome picture, I love it
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                        And yes, I am back! ^^ Glad to see you all again.
                        How're you?
                        My tour was amazing, we visited so many places and met a lot of wonderful people. Though it was quite exhausting also, now my friend and me literally dream about one more holiday, this time lazy and somewhere by the warm sea. Ah, dreams

                        mandogater, here are photos for you! Later will be more, much more (maybe I upload them on Tumblr, not sure about this so far), and that's just sth to begin with
                        A little warning: photos are quite big, so I just share their links. Enjoy!
                        Xi'an:
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                        Shanghai:
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                        Hong Kong:
                        http://i.imgur.com/bjUPdFY.jpg
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                          Originally posted by JT-2 View Post
                          I took a nap. Feel SO much better now. What a long, long day.



                          Farscape PTB actually encouraged their actors to discuss their characters with them. I don't know which is more common place in the entertainment field (I suspect it's Stargate's "we rule the world so you shut up"). Sad to say.
                          I remember Robert Picardo saying that on Star Trek every time they wanted to change the dialogue even a little bit, they had to call for a PTB to approve it. He seemed to think Stargate was more accommodating. And I think RDA got to do just about anything he wanted to. So, it must have had to do with the individual actor and how much they liked him/her. Joe is the prime example of what happens when you stand up to them.


                          Even birth shows like those on TLC or Discovery Health don't show or even discuss that part. I bet there have been plenty of birthing moms out there who hadn't done any research who were shocked as hell with that. "What do you mean I'm not done? This is the part where the happy music plays and we fade out!"
                          Having gone through it thinking I was fully prepared after reading the books, watching the videos and going through childbirth classes, there was still stuff that surprised me. Why didn't my mom tell me about the part after they take away that cute little bundle? That's when you need the drugs. Anyway, we've scared off the guys, so moving on.


                          I will always wonder if Torri had agreed to do GitM, would they have used her for this cameo. But I suppose that's giving them too much credit.
                          That is an excellent question. If they did, the scene would have become instantly shippier, so I'm thinking no. But if, as MG claimed indirectly, the scene wasn't meant to be foreshadowing of Sheyla, maybe they wouldn't have thought about it, which would have made them even more clueless than I previously thought.

                          Wow, what a sentence. Don't judge me on that, it's early and I haven't had enough coffee.

                          Originally posted by Varda View Post
                          And yes, I am back! ^^ Glad to see you all again.
                          How're you?
                          My tour was amazing, we visited so many places and met a lot of wonderful people. Though it was quite exhausting also, now my friend and me literally dream about one more holiday, this time lazy and somewhere by the warm sea. Ah, dreams

                          mandogater, here are photos for you! Later will be more, much more (maybe I upload them on Tumblr, not sure about this so far), and that's just sth to begin with
                          A little warning: photos are quite big, so I just share their links. Enjoy!
                          Xi'an:
                          http://i.imgur.com/vK7jJ1n.jpg
                          Shanghai:
                          http://i.imgur.com/WGQleJz.jpg
                          Hong Kong:
                          http://i.imgur.com/bjUPdFY.jpg
                          Welcome back and gorgeous shots. The last one in particular looks like a postcard.
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                            Good afternoon, Sparkies! Happy Smutty Tuesday!

                            Originally posted by Varda View Post
                            And yes, I am back! ^^ Glad to see you all again.
                            How're you?
                            My tour was amazing, we visited so many places and met a lot of wonderful people. Though it was quite exhausting also, now my friend and me literally dream about one more holiday, this time lazy and somewhere by the warm sea. Ah, dreams

                            mandogater, here are photos for you! Later will be more, much more (maybe I upload them on Tumblr, not sure about this so far), and that's just sth to begin with
                            A little warning: photos are quite big, so I just share their links. Enjoy!
                            Xi'an:
                            http://i.imgur.com/vK7jJ1n.jpg
                            Shanghai:
                            http://i.imgur.com/WGQleJz.jpg
                            Hong Kong:
                            http://i.imgur.com/bjUPdFY.jpg
                            Glad you had fun on your trip! Those are some great pictures.

                            Originally posted by Southern Red View Post
                            I remember Robert Picardo saying that on Star Trek every time they wanted to change the dialogue even a little bit, they had to call for a PTB to approve it. He seemed to think Stargate was more accommodating. And I think RDA got to do just about anything he wanted to. So, it must have had to do with the individual actor and how much they liked him/her. Joe is the prime example of what happens when you stand up to them.
                            Indeed.

                            Originally posted by Southern Red View Post
                            That is an excellent question. If they did, the scene would have become instantly shippier, so I'm thinking no. But if, as MG claimed indirectly, the scene wasn't meant to be foreshadowing of Sheyla, maybe they wouldn't have thought about it, which would have made them even more clueless than I previously thought.

                            Wow, what a sentence. Don't judge me on that, it's early and I haven't had enough coffee.
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                            Sparky is on screen. Therefore, it is canon. Elizabeth is still out there. And John WILL bring her home.

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                              And "Casualties of War" and "Rising" are own their way!!!!

                              Originally posted by JT-2 View Post
                              4)I'm pretty sure AT was treated an a Special Guest Star, just like Paul McGillion was, just like everyone ever important not in the credits was... except Torri.
                              Da*m TPTB!!!!

                              Originally posted by JT-2 View Post
                              5)That "Let me play with your insides" line was so, so awful. Clearly they were trying to invoke some Kaylee there. The problem being that Kaylee FIT on Firefly but not as Chief Medical Officer Keller on Stargate Atlantis.
                              Why in the world, would the head of the medical department, joke with such a thing, is she a kid or what!? That was just stupid!!! How professional was that?!!

                              Originally posted by Luz View Post
                              I loved the episode, I thought it episode was a nice friendship piece. As I said before, John being heroic makes me feel all warm inside. And John whump, god, I need some air.
                              I have to admit that I also like the scenes where John is trapped under the debris with Ronon.

                              Originally posted by JT-2 View Post
                              Good one! Quality snark there, Pearl.
                              Thank you, JT. I guess I can have my moments, hehe!

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                              This is excellent, you are so talented!

                              Originally posted by Sparky She-Demon View Post
                              Hiya Pearl. How's it going?
                              Oops, sorry Sparky, it seems I missed you, last time.

                              Originally posted by Scary Kitty View Post
                              I could swear I heard somewhere that Michael had Clone!Carson give him the ATA gene.
                              Originally posted by mandogater View Post
                              I don't remember hearing that but then again, Ford never got the gene on screen but could fly a jumper in Siege Part 3. I guess anything is possible with enough hand waving or a big enough plot hole.
                              I guess when we will watch “The Prodigal” this might be answered.

                              Originally posted by JT-2 View Post
                              Yeah, that's the writers not being smart and just using whatever whim they are feeling at the time. They were thinking more like themselves ... "we're happy Torri is gone and Amanda is here (it's like we didn't have to give up our favorite SG-1)" instead of thinking how the characters would.
                              Da*m TPTB!!!!
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                                Hey guys,

                                Been off working hard for the last few days. It's been busy at work and I haven't had a chance when I get home to look in.

                                I loved the snarkfest that was the Search and Rescue postathon. I may be controversial here but I quite like this episode. The dream at the beginning did and still does baffle me, mind you, though it was nice to see Ford again. I loved the talk between John and Ronon whilst they're trapped and John's resignation to his fate. I also love Rodney helping Teyla to give birth (and yes, as a woman who has been there, it was not that easy, not by a long shot!) but Rodney's face and fear over it is just fantastic. I also think it is easily AT's best ep as Carter in Atlantis (though not difficult) but she seemed more like Sam. Her face when Woolsey tells her she's not going back is pretty priceless. As for Teyla giving her son the middle name of John I always thought it was because he was a good friend, had saved her and her child and was also the reason for the fight against the Wraith, etc.

                                Anyway, that's all. Hope everyone is well. I am going to type up chater 13 but will prbably look in over the course of the evening.
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