Elizabeth Weir/John Sheppard Appreciation/Ship/Discussion Thread

[Scary Kitty]

Good morning, Sparkies! Happy Smutty Tuesday!

I often feel there is a line that gets crossed when fangirling a character. I can't pinpoint exactly what it is but it's that moment when things get too personal and a little too dirty. I think there is a difference between talking about finding someone attractive and talking about someone's package. The former I'm okay with, but the latter is when things get uncomfortable. As long as there isn't too much focus on body parts over the whole person, and people can tell the difference between an actor and the character they're playing there is still some respect.

Ugh, don't even get me started on real person fic. *shudders*

I can put up with mistakes as long as I'm entertained. If I love the characters I probably won't care if a show is the cheesiest most contrived silliest thing ever. But when I get bored, that's when I start to pay attention to the mistakes.

Oh, absolutely! It's just that the non-entertaining/annoying parts of those particular episodes JT-2 was talking about outweighed the good parts.

Agreed 100%. There are tons of things like that in episodes that I like but I don't really care because I'm too entertained. But then you get to season 5 and I just don't care about the show any more. Then I start getting annoyed more easily.

Exactly!

For example, the fact that Ford was piloting the jumper in Siege 3 is not canon-compliant (I don't care what kind of hand waving Gero tried to do). I have also read someone say that Lizzeh's hair changes in its curliness throughout Progeny but I never noticed because I was too involved in the story. But it was such a good episode that I can overlook it.

Really? Lizzeh's hair kept changing in Progeny? Huh, never noticed. I was too busy squeeing over all the awesome Sparky moments.

[Luz]

But I remember the con I went to and how a young woman a few people behind me in the picture line grabbed him and tried to put her leg around him. Idiot. But Joe, being Joe, never lost his cool and wasn't rude to her. He did jump about 3 feet however. Makes you wonder what goes through people's heads. And if you bring up that con to Mr. SR, the first thing he will remember is how amazed he was at the number of people who talked about the characters and the actors interchangeably.

This is horrible, poor Joe. These are the people who ruin it for everyone else. Those and the ones who sent hate to the actors' significant ones, and the ones who show the cast and crew their porny fic are the worst, ew.

Agreed 100%. There are tons of things like that in episodes that I like but I don't really care because I'm too entertained. But then you get to season 5 and I just don't care about the show any more. Then I start getting annoyed more easily.

For example, the fact that Ford was piloting the jumper in Siege 3 is not canon-compliant (I don't care what kind of hand waving Gero tried to do). I have also read someone say that Lizzeh's hair changes in its curliness throughout Progeny but I never noticed because I was too involved in the story. But it was such a good episode that I can overlook it.

I'd never even thought of that until you mentioned it, lol.

Lizzie's hair is funny because there are times when it'll get curlier from one scene to the next. So I amused myself picturing Elizabeth going to the bathroom between meetings to retouch her do. We actually used to discuss Elizabeth's hair a lot here. We couldn't decide whether she straightened her curly hair or curled her straight hair. The fact that her hair got curly between The Rising and Hide and Seek made us more inclined to believe she'd misplaced her hair straightener.

Also, in The Siege 3 her hair keeps getting curlier and curlier, but my theory is that she didn't have the time to straighten it. The make-up, that I cannot explain. There are some scenes in the middle of the action where she seems to have applied heavier mascara and blush from one scene to the other.

Really? Lizzeh's hair kept changing in Progeny? Huh, never noticed. I was too busy squeeing over all the awesome Sparky moments.

I always noticed Lizzie's hair but it didn't bother me because she was there to distract me.

[ShipperWriter]

Good morning! I had a great weekend - went to the beach, swam, played volleyball, hung out with friends, went to Busch Gardens with my sister, and ate too much. And got sunburned.

Yup. Great weekend.

I'd never even thought of that until you mentioned it, lol.

Lizzie's hair is funny because there are times when it'll get curlier from one scene to the next. So I amused myself picturing Elizabeth going to the bathroom between meetings to retouch her do. We actually used to discuss Elizabeth's hair a lot here. We couldn't decide whether she straightened her curly hair or curled her straight hair. The fact that her hair got curly between The Rising and Hide and Seek made us more inclined to believe she'd misplaced her hair straightener.

Also, in The Siege 3 her hair keeps getting curlier and curlier, but my theory is that she didn't have the time to straighten it. The make-up, that I cannot explain. There are some scenes in the middle of the action where she seems to have applied heavier mascara and blush from one scene to the other.

I always noticed Lizzie's hair but it didn't bother me because she was there to distract me.

It's the humidity. I'm sorry, I don't know why I keep going back to that. Probably because I live in FL and the humidity is around 100% right now.

[Southern Red]

Back from Star Trek and loved it. They have really done a great job of casting, and yes to LCJS, I see a lot of Sheppard in Kirk also.

OT. This happened on the ride home.

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SR: I have to get busy looking for a mother of the groom dress.

Mr. SR: Don't you have something you can wear?

SR:

Mr. SR: Uh...

SR: The Southern Belle is hooking me up with her personal shopper at Nordstrom.

Mr. SR:

[Brie]

SW and SR, thanks for posting those pics of John, I really needed more reasons not to be able to get to work on my essay for school

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j55/Nolamom/Shippiness/atl_108_1271_manip.jpg~original

Another awesome manip.

I can put up with mistakes as long as I'm entertained. If I love the characters I probably won't care if a show is the cheesiest most contrived silliest thing ever. But when I get bored, that's when I start to pay attention to the mistakes.

I’m with you on that one, I can accept errors if you can tell that TPTB didn’t do it on purpose and if it’s still, as you said, entertaining, but when it comes to SGA it became obvious that most of the writers didn’t even care towards the end and they didn’t even try and write it in a way that worked and then it can just be tiresome to watch.

[Pearl of Atlantis76]

I loved the update but

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I will admit that I somehow managed to put two and two together already through this update and the previous once that once I read the final sentences I said “I knew it”, but it was still awesome and I loved the little scene between John and Franibeth, though now I can’t wait until I get to find out how things will go from here, haha, it’s a bit funny how for around two season we had no Elizabeth and now we might get two, at least possibly depending on who the primus is

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I must admit that at first I didn’t think that Franibeth was the real Elizabeth, then the conversation between John and her in this last (amazing!!!) part made me feel a little bit confused, but now I am totally sure. The one they found on the stasis pod is definitely our Elizabeth!!! And I want so desperately to know what happens next!!!! I am guessing things will still be a little bit hard in the next part, I am even guessing that probably they would not be able to take her with them now…?!!! I mean the Wraith are attacking, I am wondering if they will have to leave her behind once again!!?? Oh my gosh, I so want to read the next part, if this part was exciting, I am guessing the next one will be even more!!! *Squeeeee*

The way tptb handled this whole deal was a disservice to the characters. That they would give so easily, after the things we've seen Sheppard do to rescue his people, and we're supposed to believe he'd just stop looking because some replicator told him she's dead? Even from the start it's inconceivable. They've made it unscathed from some impossible situations but they just abandoned Elizabeth and didn't bother to organize a rescue operation? Remember that discussion about not leaving people behind no matter what that Sheppard and Weir had back in The Rising? Are they trying to tell us this Sheppard wouldn't have even tried?

Specially Elizabeth being the leader, I mean I am not saying that she should be treated differently from other members of the expedition, but I mean she was the leader, she was the “president” of Atlantis, she was the “governor” of Atlantis. Would it have been on Earth, would Elizabeth have been a president of a country wouldn’t her search, and possible rescue, be made a priority?

I was catching up (altho I did skip the post-a-thon snark)...and I'm one of those Torri/Elizabeth fans who still hasn't worked up the gumption to watch past Lifeline. I have the whole set of DVDs, treated myself last summer when Amazon had them for a super amazing price, but just haven't been able to bring myself to watch. I dunno if I can do SGA w/out Torri. I'll have to start a rewatch and work my way up...and maybe just watch the last two seasons real quick-like....

The one thing I *don't* worry about is feeling/seeing the sparkyness....I know that'll still be there, me being a hopeless romantic and all

I respect the opinions and feelings of the fans that stopped watching SGA after Elizabeth’s departure. But I also think that you have to watch seasons 4 and 5 at least once (Well maybe “Trio” and “Brain Storm” you should totally skip them, those two episodes not even fast forwarding I am able to re watch them. ), because you still have John there, and in spite of everything, we can still “see” Sparky there when you look at him.

I would advise taking the opposite attitude. Watching the ones with Torri will only make the lack of her piss you off more. Watch the ones without her knowing you won't see her with the idea of enjoying or not enjoying them on their own merit. For example, I would hate for anyone not to experience the glory that is Vegas because she's not in it.

I agree, the feeling you will get by seeing John’s sadness on the episodes in which Elizabeth is not there, although it is a very heartbreaking one, is also very beautiful, very Sparky. And the John from Vegas couldn’t be more Sparky!!!

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And maybe it is just me that thinks this way, but to me Vegas was the aknowledgment of Sparky, I mean the medic he couldn’t save and to whom he was romantically involved, she was definitely Elizabeth!!!

Oh, and I could basically quote everyone on this page and agree with them. "Identity", "Brain Storm", "Tracker"... those could all go.

Oh I couldn’t agree more!! And in fact those episodes I have them Time stamp marked, I mean, I have written down the parts, the time stamp, in which John is in them and will only watch those parts, I completely skip the rest of these episodes.

Usually my problem with tv is that male protagonists are put on a pedestal by tptb. They can do no wrong, even when they're the worst of the worst the audience is supposed to side with them and understand them no matter what. It irks me and it's one of the reasons why I've gradually stopped watching as much tv as I used to. I got tired of the glorification of the male protagonist.

Though if this was their attempt at trying to make Sheppard look bad, it only made me love him more. And I kind of don't wanna know how it'd have been if they'd liked Sheppard.

Same here!!! JF played Sheppard a vulnerable, dorky and awkward person, and I think those are some of the reasons why I love Sheppard. He looked like one of us, not like a super hero that can’t be compared to us “normal” human beings.

Mmm, I agree though I must say that I will never understand in what universe anyone would find Rodney to be all that entertaining, I mean he can be when there are other characters around who can balance him out (and by that I don’t mean Keller because she was more on his side and just kept encourage his behavior) but I mean like John or Elizabeth or even Ronon because they knew how to bring Rodney back to earth and kept him from well, getting too full of himself and getting to over the top.

I so agree with this!!! I liked, loved Rodney on the scenes he was interacting with both John and Elizabeth. The three of them were so cool together. My favourite scenes are definitely the ones from "The Storm" and "Echoes", well, among others. I think i always liked all the scenes in which the three were interacting. Oh and I also liked him with Carson!

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[Luz]

Okay, so I watched TMC and SR was right, it's so shippy.

Also, if the repli-team's word is all the "proof" there is for believing Elizabeth is dead, I'm quite happy with taking it as hearsay and go on believing Lizzie is still out there.

And, omg, this scene

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asdjdhfjshgjhssdaf!!!His face!!!!11!

Further confirmation that this arc was the shippiest thing ever. It was so focused on Sheppard/Weir and how much they cared about and missed each other.

[poundpuppy29]

[ShipperWriter]

Okay, so I watched TMC and SR was right, it's so shippy.

Also, if the repli-team's word is all the "proof" there is for believing Elizabeth is dead, I'm quite happy with taking it as hearsay and go on believing Lizzie is still out there.

And, omg, this scene

Spoiler:

asdjdhfjshgjhssdaf!!!His face!!!!11!

Further confirmation that this arc was the shippiest thing ever. It was so focused on Sheppard/Weir and how much they cared about and missed each other.

*wibbles*

I need to go work on some "Sparky reunited and it feels so good" fic. I also need to sleep. Which of these is more important?

[Southern Red]

Okay, so I watched TMC and SR was right, it's so shippy.

Also, if the repli-team's word is all the "proof" there is for believing Elizabeth is dead, I'm quite happy with taking it as hearsay and go on believing Lizzie is still out there.

And, omg, this scene

Spoiler:

asdjdhfjshgjhssdaf!!!His face!!!!11!

Further confirmation that this arc was the shippiest thing ever. It was so focused on Sheppard/Weir and how much they cared about and missed each other.

Told you so. That face is, in a way, even better than the Adrift face because it isn't just showing his emotion over losing her but is showing what it means to him to get her back. And then one heartbreaking second later, he finds out it's not the real her. This is the John we see in most of PM.

[Sequoia Hope]

(Fandom seems to have captured me again. First the revival of Atlantis Rising, now this.)

Nine more days, then I'm out of school.

Just wanted to pop in and say hi. Also, remember how a while back, when I said that I had an idea on how to procure SGA episodes so I could make a fanvid? Well, my method worked. And before people start asking, I'm being very serious when I say that I didn't do anything illegal. Trust me. Anyway, I'm currently in production right now - expect a Sparky tribute from me in late June, if not sooner.

[Luz]

Told you so. That face is, in a way, even better than the Adrift face because it isn't just showing his emotion over losing her but is showing what it means to him to get her back. And then one heartbreaking second later, he finds out it's not the real her. This is the John we see in most of PM.

Poor John

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you're whumping him like there is no tomorrow. Not that I'm complaining. I'm all for character development and he was so neglected in the show.

[Southern Red]

(Fandom seems to have captured me again. First the revival of Atlantis Rising, now this.)

Nine more days, then I'm out of school.

Just wanted to pop in and say hi. Also, remember how a while back, when I said that I had an idea on how to procure SGA episodes so I could make a fanvid? Well, my method worked. And before people start asking, I'm being very serious when I say that I didn't do anything illegal. Trust me. Anyway, I'm currently in production right now - expect a Sparky tribute from me in late June, if not sooner.

Welcome back and yay for summer. SGA-R has excited quite a few people. Watch for the next part soon.

[Brie]

Okay, so I watched TMC and SR was right, it's so shippy.

Also, if the repli-team's word is all the "proof" there is for believing Elizabeth is dead, I'm quite happy with taking it as hearsay and go on believing Lizzie is still out there.

And, omg, this scene

Spoiler:

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h2...er/je-4x10.gif

asdjdhfjshgjhssdaf!!!His face!!!!11!

Further confirmation that this arc was the shippiest thing ever. It was so focused on Sheppard/Weir and how much they cared about and missed each other.

You really do want to just give him a hug in that scene (though I think he wants a hug from his Liz right then more than anything).

[ShipperWriter]

Part 4 of "Primum Movens" is up at SGA-R!!!

*runs off to read*

Ten minutes later...

*runs back in*

ETA:

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OMGOMGOMGOMG

That is all.