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      Originally posted by Raelis View Post
      Well, as I said, I did not think John came out of that scene looking much better,honestly. It wasn't appropriate to behave the way he did with Rodney (playing silly pranks on him so soon after Elizabeth's dissapearance). But anyway, that scene sucked. However, it doesn't discount the following scenes in This Mortail Coil and Seer that did show Rodney's grief and guilt with regards to Elizabeth. I guess if you're determined to be angry with him, you can ignore those scenes and focus on the one where he behaved callously. Me, I just see that Reunion scene as an extremely unfortunate attempt on the writers' part ot bring in some levity after several very angsty episodes. It was bad, to put it mildly, so bad that I never rewatch it, but I'm not going to hold it against the characters who I know both cared about Elizabeth deeply.


      I was going to add a Sheyla tag to Ghost of the Machine section of the list which I advise you do not read if you don't want to be pissed off even more. I was pissed as hell after reading. But the list is for all pairings, so I guess I have to be fair. If you have any favorite fics dealing with this episode in a Sparky way, please, share the links, and I'll add them too.
      I am not against the other characters nor am I angry with Rodney. There are also some scenes in which I don’t entirely agree with John’s behaviour in what concerns Elizabeth, maybe the same ones you are pointing out, but what I was really trying to say is that it was weird to see Rodney as the one who is feeling the guiltiest. I am not saying he didn’t feel guilty at some point, because I know he did. But I don’t know, I think it was the first time I red a fic from another character point of view and I was surprised with what I red, it was weird. I think that from now on I will continue reading the Sparky fics oriented and leave the other fics alone, at least the ones related with Elizabeth but that are from another character point of view.

      And believe me, you don’t need to warn me not to read about Sheyla oriented fics, as soon as I spot them, I just “turn around” and leave! But thank you anyway for the warning.

      I might have a few fics that I like related to Ghost in the Machine. I will have a look at my list of fics.

      Oh yes, of course, you have to be fair to everyone, I totally agree with that. If we don’t like them, we just don’t read them, but other people, who appreciate them, have the right to know about their fics as well.
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        Originally posted by Falcon Horus View Post
        This reminds me of a story I heard in the news yesterday. A 60-something year old professor was caught in a Dutch university watching porn on his computer. However, he had the computer hooked up to the big screen, and yes the (security) camera's in the classroom were active, so everyone could watch as well. He claimed when they confronted him that he had opened the webpage by accident. He was obviously suspended.
        I guess he wasn't a language professor. If he was, he might have come up with a better cover story.
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          Originally posted by Pearl of Atlantis76 View Post
          98.9% of the fics that I read are Sparky related. Today I decided to read a
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          Rodney centric one based on Ghost in the Machine. And my gosh, it is amazing how things really depend on the point of view of the writer and I guess also of the reader, because in this particular fic, Rodney is the one that is feeling all guilty about what happened to Elizabeth and then when Sheppard’s team are together talking about what happened to Elizabeth, Rodney is the one who feels the guiltiest.

          But that’s not what surprised me the most. What surprised me the most, and made me shake my head a lot of times, was the fact that John, in this fic, went to get glasses of water, pretending it was the champagne that they didn’t have, so that they would all toast to Elizabeth in a way of saying goodbye to her! Come on, I know that John would never be able of doing that!

          I am feeling that the writer of this particular fic didn’t quite see the end of the episode, I mean we all know who was the one that was left standing alone near the gate (probably feeling guilty in some (or many) ways),and lets say that it was not Rodney!
          I've read a gen fic once that contained such thinly veiled Elizabeth hatred I wanted to scream. Turns out the writer was a John/Ronon slash writer who obviously disliked Elizabeth. The entire thing was so out of character. I'm not objecting to any ship or slash in it as there wasn't any (and hey, everyone is absolutely free to ship or slash whatever they want, just as we are). It was the general characterizations of the team's relationships with Elizabeth that were all wrong. The comment was made how they all hate dealing with the "administrative blather" with Elizabeth and then Teyla didn't want to have to talk to Elizabeth. That's not the relationships that I remember on screen. Remember Sunday? It was her day off but she was planning on having lunch with Elizabeth. But the people of this community on LJ all praised the fic. I have since dropped the SGA Newsletter and only follow the Sparky community. I have found some gen fic and John whump fic that is great and respects the characters, but then I find ones like that story I mentioned and it gets me so angry that it's not worth it.


          Originally posted by Raelis View Post
          Well, as I said, I did not think John came out of that scene looking much better,honestly. It wasn't appropriate to behave the way he did with Rodney (playing silly pranks on him so soon after Elizabeth's dissapearance). But anyway, that scene sucked. However, it doesn't discount the following scenes in This Mortail Coil and Seer that did show Rodney's grief and guilt with regards to Elizabeth. I guess if you're determined to be angry with him, you can ignore those scenes and focus on the one where he behaved callously. Me, I just see that Reunion scene as an extremely unfortunate attempt on the writers' part ot bring in some levity after several very angsty episodes. It was bad, to put it mildly, so bad that I never rewatch it, but I'm not going to hold it against the characters who I know both cared about Elizabeth deeply.


          I was going to add a Sheyla tag to Ghost of the Machine section of the list which I advise you do not read if you don't want to be pissed off even more. I was pissed as hell after reading. But the list is for all pairings, so I guess I have to be fair. If you have any favorite fics dealing with this episode in a Sparky way, please, share the links, and I'll add them too.
          Yeah, that whole thing in Reunion was just Bad Writing. Mallozzi is clueless. That's not my Rodney and not my John. I think at least Joe managed to make John seem a bit downbeat underneath the joking. Maybe that's just me, though.


          Originally posted by Nolamom View Post
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          Am I the only one who thinks Elizabeth's face looks kinda weird in that second one?

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            Originally posted by JT-2 View Post
            I've read a gen fic once that contained such thinly veiled Elizabeth hatred I wanted to scream. Turns out the writer was a John/Ronon slash writer who obviously disliked Elizabeth. The entire thing was so out of character. I'm not objecting to any ship or slash in it as there wasn't any (and hey, everyone is absolutely free to ship or slash whatever they want, just as we are). It was the general characterizations of the team's relationships with Elizabeth that were all wrong. The comment was made how they all hate dealing with the "administrative blather" with Elizabeth and then Teyla didn't want to have to talk to Elizabeth. That's not the relationships that I remember on screen. Remember Sunday? It was her day off but she was planning on having lunch with Elizabeth. But the people of this community on LJ all praised the fic. I have since dropped the SGA Newsletter and only follow the Sparky community. I have found some gen fic and John whump fic that is great and respects the characters, but then I find ones like that story I mentioned and it gets me so angry that it's not worth it.




            Yeah, that whole thing in Reunion was just Bad Writing. Mallozzi is clueless. That's not my Rodney and not my John. I think at least Joe managed to make John seem a bit downbeat underneath the joking. Maybe that's just me, though.




            Am I the only one who thinks Elizabeth's face looks kinda weird in that second one?
            I've noticed that I tend to only read shippy fics, both for SGA and SG1, although I have found a few gen fics here and there that I've enjoyed. I even tried to write a Shep whump fic once...it got a lot of good reviews but I still felt like it had some shippy undertones, despite my best efforts to keep it gen as the recipient isn't a shipper.

            I thought the same thing about the pic....
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              yeah, I'm not happy with that manip. Will have to re-do it.
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                Originally posted by Pearl of Atlantis76 View Post
                But I don’t know, I think it was the first time I red a fic from another character point of view and I was surprised with what I red, it was weird. I think that from now on I will continue reading the Sparky fics oriented and leave the other fics alone, at least the ones related with Elizabeth but that are from another character point of view.
                I can understand that. Personally, I welcome any opportunity to see another character's point of view, especially if it was not fleshed out enough in the show. It helps fill in the blanks and get a more complete experience, a better feel for the characters. For example, I think that the friendships between Rodney and Teyla and Rodney and Ronon were not very well developed on the show. So I go out of my way to read Ronon/Rodney/Teyla friednship fic because it gives me something I wanted from the show but never got. I love reading fic from Ronon's POV that shows what he really thinks about Rodney, and vice versa. In a way, seeing Elizabeth's departure from other characters' point of view (not just John's) is the same thing.

                But I udnerstand how this can be not everyone's cup of tea. I love all the characters in SGA, so I love reading about them all, all POVs. But in another fandom I read ship fic only.

                I might have a few fics that I like related to Ghost in the Machine. I will have a look at my list of fics.
                Cool! If you find any, please leave the links with a brief descirption in that Episode tags thread, and I'll add them.


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                I've read a gen fic once that contained such thinly veiled Elizabeth hatred I wanted to scream. Turns out the writer was a John/Ronon slash writer who obviously disliked Elizabeth. The entire thing was so out of character. I'm not objecting to any ship or slash in it as there wasn't any (and hey, everyone is absolutely free to ship or slash whatever they want, just as we are). It was the general characterizations of the team's relationships with Elizabeth that were all wrong. The comment was made how they all hate dealing with the "administrative blather" with Elizabeth and then Teyla didn't want to have to talk to Elizabeth. That's not the relationships that I remember on screen. Remember Sunday? It was her day off but she was planning on having lunch with Elizabeth. But the people of this community on LJ all praised the fic.
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                I sympathize. I've read a lot of fic that set my teeth on edge In fact, I had the misfortune of reading one such fic just yesterday. I thought about leaving a comment explaining what I found wrong with it characterization-wise, but then I thought there was no point. The author would obviously disagree with me, and it's both useless and presumptuous to try and change people's minds on the way they interpret a TV show. So yeah, the only thing left to do is to grit my teeth and forget I ever read that.

                Regarding the fic you mentioned: I actually think it's in character for the team to dislike the administrative stuff, if only because they all strike me as people of action. But that would not mean they equate Elizabeth with 'adminsitrative blather'; it's quite obviousl from the show that they don't see her in that way. They all have plenty of respect and fondness for her. So if the author tried to convey that Elizabeth was nothing more than an annoying bureaucrat to the team, then it means I must have watched a different show.

                Yeah, that whole thing in Reunion was just Bad Writing. Mallozzi is clueless. That's not my Rodney and not my John. I think at least Joe managed to make John seem a bit downbeat underneath the joking. Maybe that's just me, though.
                That's actually my least favorite scene in all of Stargate franchise. But I have no doubt that both Rodney and John loved Elizabeth and missed her, and there/s enough canon to prove it, so I just pretend that scene never happened. Although it's not the only scene where characterization was sacrificed for 'comic relief'. Rodney was the most frequent victim of this. Even that fact that he's fairly good with guns in some episodes and completely, comically useless in others proves this. Anything to try and make him 'funny', characterization and consistency be damned. As a Rodney fan, I found it insulting.


                Am I the only one who thinks Elizabeth's face looks kinda weird in that second one?
                No, you're not. I actually thought it was someone else's face at first.
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                  Here, a much more flattering picture of Elizabeth.

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                    Oh, I assure you, it's her face!
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                    better manip - with just slight adjustments
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                      Originally posted by JT-2 View Post
                      I've read a gen fic once that contained such thinly veiled Elizabeth hatred I wanted to scream. Turns out the writer was a John/Ronon slash writer who obviously disliked Elizabeth. The entire thing was so out of character. I'm not objecting to any ship or slash in it as there wasn't any (and hey, everyone is absolutely free to ship or slash whatever they want, just as we are). It was the general characterizations of the team's relationships with Elizabeth that were all wrong. The comment was made how they all hate dealing with the "administrative blather" with Elizabeth and then Teyla didn't want to have to talk to Elizabeth. That's not the relationships that I remember on screen. Remember Sunday? It was her day off but she was planning on having lunch with Elizabeth. But the people of this community on LJ all praised the fic. I have since dropped the SGA Newsletter and only follow the Sparky community. I have found some gen fic and John whump fic that is great and respects the characters, but then I find ones like that story I mentioned and it gets me so angry that it's not worth it.
                      I only read Sparky fics because every time I try to read something else, I never make it through. I still follow the SGA Newsletter for the "daily_flan" community because of all the yummy pics, but sometimes even the titles of the fics make me shudder. I remember a fic once by a very prominent fic writer that had John reluctant to spend time with Elizabeth for fear that someone would think they were involved, and everybody else avoided her because she was cold and seemed to have no personality. Now why do you need to rewrite canon like that in order to make the reader believe John is interested in someone else? SGA-R is certainly not doing that.

                      Yeah, that whole thing in Reunion was just Bad Writing. Mallozzi is clueless. That's not my Rodney and not my John. I think at least Joe managed to make John seem a bit downbeat underneath the joking. Maybe that's just me, though.
                      I too was shocked and offended by that whole lovefest. I wanted to slap them both.

                      I think doing the fic lists are a great idea. Is someone going to do a Sparky list? That will probably be the longest one. LOL
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                        Originally posted by Southern Red View Post
                        I think doing the fic lists are a great idea. Is someone going to do a Sparky list? That will probably be the longest one. LOL
                        There absolutely has to be a Sparky list. I mean, Sam/Jack shippers made a massive one. We can do it too! I'm doing an Episode Tag list which includes all pairings and gen fic. If any one of you guys is willing to tackle a Sparky-specific list, it'd be awesome!

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                            Good morning, Sparkies! Happy Fluffy Thursday!

                            Originally posted by Southern Red View Post
                            I only read Sparky fics because every time I try to read something else, I never make it through. I still follow the SGA Newsletter for the "daily_flan" community because of all the yummy pics, but sometimes even the titles of the fics make me shudder. I remember a fic once by a very prominent fic writer that had John reluctant to spend time with Elizabeth for fear that someone would think they were involved, and everybody else avoided her because she was cold and seemed to have no personality. Now why do you need to rewrite canon like that in order to make the reader believe John is interested in someone else? SGA-R is certainly not doing that.
                            Yeah, we sure didn't have to rewrite canon to give John a relationship with someone else. After all, Joe asked for it!

                            Originally posted by Southern Red View Post
                            I too was shocked and offended by that whole lovefest. I wanted to slap them both.
                            Or maybe shove them out an airlock.

                            Originally posted by Southern Red View Post
                            I think doing the fic lists are a great idea. Is someone going to do a Sparky list? That will probably be the longest one. LOL
                            (This is legal notice that any attempt to censor or delete, for the purpose of oppressing fair and open discussion, any statement made by me will be considered a violation of my right to free speech as guaranteed by the First Amendment of the United States Constitution, and will be dealt with in accordance with federal law.)
                            Sparky is on screen. Therefore, it is canon. Elizabeth is still out there. And John WILL bring her home.

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                              Originally posted by JT-2 View Post

                              Regarding the fic you mentioned: I actually think it's in character for the team to dislike the administrative stuff, if only because they all strike me as people of action. But that would not mean they equate Elizabeth with 'adminsitrative blather'; it's quite obviousl from the show that they don't see her in that way. They all have plenty of respect and fondness for her. So if the author tried to convey that Elizabeth was nothing more than an annoying bureaucrat to the team, then it means I must have watched a different show.
                              There's one little part of your post that I want to address. I think the whole reason we have different ships and different fan groups is that some things are obvious to some of us in totally different ways. It used to drive me bananas when someone pointed out a moment that was just so obviously shippy, but I just could not for the life of me see why. Now I realize we all see what we want to see to a certain extent, and I've learned to mostly handwave the way out in left field arguments for or against something that everyone is supposed to see.

                              A good example is that group in earlier years that thought Elizabeth was a bad leader and totally blamed her for every bad decision ever made. Michael, for example, which meant they had to completely overlook the time when Carson took full responsibility, and the times when John agreed with her and said so. Obvious to them, misperception to me. Logic has no place in fandom. If I've said it once, I've said it a thousand times.


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