Elizabeth Weir/John Sheppard Appreciation/Ship/Discussion Thread

[Sequoia Hope]

I know it's already midnight there on the East Coast, but I hope that you've had a happy birthday, Southern Red!

Scary Kitty, that cake looks delicious! Has it been completely devoured, or is there still some left?

More good points. I don't see how anyone could possibly have watched Seige 2 and missed the personal connection when John went on the mission. And when he returned, he looks around, says "I'm home" and she comes and hugs him. They are relatively alone, soft music is playing, the camera is focused on just them....romantic?....how can you think that is romantic?

But the ultimate question is, why didn't they take our reaction to heart, say "OMG, we've got a gold mine here" and run with it? I remember one time an online poll site did one on Atlantis ship. The response was so overwhelmingly in favor of Sparky and so many people responded that again we shut down the servers and they never were able to finish the poll as far as I know. If I remember correctly, Sparky got way over 75% of the votes.

"Gold mine." When you put it that way, it's as if the producers just threw something that would have pleased so many fans out the window. It's true that not all viewers would have been pleased with the decision to bring Sparky on-screen, but then again, it's virtually impossible to please all fans. Taking that into account, TPTW should have went in the "majority wins" direction. Do they even have a legit reason for not wanting to bring Sparky on-screen, because I honestly will never understand how they could have been so thick-headed and denying about the most popular ship on Atlantis.

Spoiler:

The fact that Elizabeth was taken away from him and from Atlantis, made it seem that all the things he had done were not good enough for the world to become less hostile and in a way for the world to give him some kind of reward, in a way the hostile world did the opposite, it punished him by taking Elizabeth away from him.

Good point there. I feel like John has lost more than a man like him ever deserved to lose. He has done nothing but try to make the universe a better place, and this is how he is rewarded? "Enemy at the Gate" comes to mind. I remember how the last scene of that episode showed the team looking out over the Golden Gate Bridge, and I couldn't help but observe how lonely John looked. Is he destined to be a solitary man for all of his life?

Of course, Atlantis Rising answers that question...

But now, I just suddenly remembered GateWorld's September 2007 interview with Torri, in which one of the questions was, "Do you think someone like Elizabeth is just destined to live her life alone?" Torri had answered how if she ever survived her journey in Atlantis and returned to Earth, she would engage in a relationship. At the time, though, she had her hands full as her city's leader and had no spare time or energy to devote to a significant other.

By the end of Season 5, I noticed that there is a rather interesting juxtaposition: two individuals who look as if they are destined to be alone. One of them was Atlantis' first leader, and she is floating in space; the other is Atlantis' military commander, and he is regretting his losses back on Earth.

So my question now is: are they destined to be alone their entire lives? Will they ever meet again, and what will happen if they do? I hope Atlantis Rising answers these questions...

I totally agree with you on this. Sure we are all pissed off at TPTW for what they have (not) showed us, but seeing it from John’s point of view, I truly believe, that he definitely processed the situation before acting on his instincts, in my mind I believe the words Elizabeth had spoken to him in Rising (when he was trying to go and rescue Colonel Sumner and the others) were probably playing in his head, and that made him thoroughly consider the risks of such a mission.

Very good point there. If you observe carefully, you'll realize that John's conversation with Carter on the balcony in Season 4's "Reunion" is nearly identical to John's conversation with Elizabeth on the balcony in Season 1's "Rising, Part 2." Both times, John wanted to go back for someone he had left behind, and both times, his request had initially been denied, with Elizabeth and Carter both saying that unless he could come up with a plan that had even a remote chance of succeeding, there was nothing that they could do. I do believe that when John talked to Carter, he had remembered the same conversation with Elizabeth from three years ago. He remembered how he had wanted to immediately act on his instincts without considering the risks, and this time around, he was careful to look before leaping. He realized that Elizabeth wouldn't have wanted him to launch a rescue mission for her if it was going to be much too dangerous and risky. At the end of the day, I think that he didn't do what he wanted to do in order to honor Elizabeth's wishes.

So many great comments and posts in the last week and I haven't had the time to really read through all of them but some and they have been great read. I might go back and comment on some of them when I get the chance but though that I should at least say this much and post some late-valentine's day Sparky pics.

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I love that picture of Elizabeth from "Intruder." Her face breaking out into a smile and sigh of evident relief when John is beamed onto the Daedalus says so much. Is it just me, or does she look younger, prettier, and more love-stricken than usual?

Thanks to all.

Does anyone else get more greetings from online friends than RL family and friends? My BFF in real life had the flu and completely missed Christmas. It's Feb and she hasn't sent out her gifts yet, and she didn't even send me a card or email for my birthday. I guess I expect too much. Whereas, I've never missed any of her big days ever. If I was sick, I would ask Mr SR to at least put a card in the mail.

Thanks everybody for making this birthday extra special. I'm glad I brought up the OL vs RL friend issue because I've been thinking about it for a while. In a lot of cases, I think our RL friends become habit. We had something in common with them at one time, which may have changed or faded, and now they are either so much like family we just can't make a break or we don't want to cause drama by breaking off the friendship. In my own case, I know I will never do anything intentionally to hurt my BFF even though she drives me up the wall when we are together. It's not just me because Mr. SR, SR Jr and now Miss M all agree. The woman is all about her stuff and never shows any interest in anyone else's stuff. Prime example that made us all LOL later after she left.

The first time she met Miss M (that's SR Jr's fiancee for all you newbies), it was to see their new house with all the VT football stuff all over the place. BFF looks at Miss M and says "I hate football. Hockey is much more fun." Miss M blinked a few times and offered her a glass of wine. It was just a priceless BFF moment, clueless and without thought.

OL friends all share a common interest and love talking about it. If you get PO'd at someone, you can just leave or turn it into a joke. There is none of the personality trouble except when you run into someone who is annoying and then you can block them. RL needs a mute button.

A couple of months ago, I wrote an essay and did a speech in my literature class about why social networking is detrimental to society. I actually felt like a hypocrite doing it, because I'm not completely against social networking; if I was, I wouldn't even be a member of this thread. Like Southern Red said above, I also believe that social networking is useful for people who have a common interest, and I think that we've developed some pretty close online relationships here on the Sparky thread due to our common passion. However, I still chose that topic to research just to remind myself that it is important to use social networking wisely and not to abuse it. Something new I learned while researching was how in real life, people communicate not only through spoken words, but also through body language, hand gestures, and even the tone of voice. However, there is none of that on social networking sites, and the words you see on the computer screen don't necessarily evoke any tangible emotions. As a result, people who spend too much time on social networking sites only know how to communicate through a keyboard and don't know how to deal with real life emotions in a spoken conversation.

This is why I still value real life relationships over online relationships; I don't want to lose the relationships I have with real life family and friends. I spend hours cooped up in my room each day with nothing but my homework, books, and laptop, but I value the time I have to talk my family at dinner. Though I'm considered an introvert, I talk to people at school and have pretty healthy relationships with many friends and teachers. While I check my e-mail several times a day because it's the best way for people to contact me, I only chat occasionally with close friends whom I have an actual real life friendship with. I have a Facebook, but I only got it for the purposes of joining my school's Facebook group, and I don't friend anyone. I've always wondered if this is the reason why no one ever remembers my birthday (and for those of you who want to know, it's next Sunday, February 24 ) - I honestly find it very sad how people only seem to remember each other's birthdays through Facebook reminders. What's wrong with simply marking it on your calendar and remembering to prepare something special for that day? To me, it means more if a friend remembers my birthday because she remembered herself than if she remembered only through a Facebook reminder.

[Southern Red]

is that like a regional accent?

You do get to know personalities and the person *inside* when you know folks online. Looks don't matter. I've formed mental images of certain individuals - some of which are surprisingly accurate, others are completely off-base, in a physical sense. A lot of friends I interact with here on GW, I've made little personal pixel images of - which I've shared. Collections here It's always done with a lot of love. (I have NEVER made an image of someone I don't like!)

Love those. I do the same thing, and seldom get it right.

*phew* all caught up! Had SEVEN kids here for a junk food picnic/sleepover last night...they had a blast. Boys are all tucked in and sound asleep now I'm loving the time i get with them, I've really missed them.

There were a lot of good points made here both about the hints at ships in Sunday and the hug in The Siege...for a while I thought I'd have more to add but then I finished catching up and as usual don't. Except to say that I agree with Pearl and offended is NOT one of the reactions I detected from John when Elizabeth hugged him....bewildered maybe but not offended.

As for the Existentialism conversation...I'm starting to think I wasted my money going to college and that I'm not quite as smart as I thought I was because I don't get it...at all. (I even spelled it wrong and had to use spell check to fix it...) I'm going to reread that post and see if I have anything intelligent I can add, but don't hold your breath...

Brie I'm glad you enjoyed the fic

I might be here for the postathon tomorrow...depends on how long it takes to get my laundry done

oh and SR my own sisters didn't even text or call on my birthday, let alone do anything for me and they live a 5 minute walk away (and never hesitate to call when they need to borrow money or need a free babysitter). I too have better, more stable and reliable relationships with my OL friends than my RL friends.

No darling, if you don't understand existentialism, that makes you even smarter. As I said earlier, even the followers of that philosophy don't understand it or agree on anything. The emptiness of the whole belief system is really sad to me. I see it as yet another convoluted way to deny God, but that may just be me.

A little late but, Happy Birthday, Southern Red!!!!!!



I have too give Miss M a lot of credit. I know I would have stuck my foot in my mouth in her spot.

RL REALLY needs a mute button.

Happy (somewhat belated) Birthday, SR!
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Thanks you two and thanks again for all the other greetings I got. I had a lovely dinner with my family at a fancy French place. And just a couple of tables away we spied Newt Gingrich and his wife. For all those who don't know, he is a former Speaker of the House and Presidential candidate. Everyone ignored them and they seemed to be having a lovely time. We tried not to stare. Miss M and I failed.

[Falcon Horus]

Something new I learned while researching was how in real life, people communicate not only through spoken words, but also through body language, hand gestures, and even the tone of voice. However, there is none of that on social networking sites, and the words you see on the computer screen don't necessarily evoke any tangible emotions. As a result, people who spend too much time on social networking sites only know how to communicate through a keyboard and don't know how to deal with real life emotions in a spoken conversation.

You almost make it sound like it's (my) our own fault (I) we don't have friends outside of the virtual ones. But you seem to forget there are a whole plethora of other factors that could potentially contribute to a socially awkward offline life, and therefor it's sometimes an insurmountable problem when one has difficulty connecting with people outside the keyboard.

Me, I'm an extreme introvert with autistic tendencies and extremely socially awkward. Talking to strangers or starting up conversations scares the living daylights out of me. Try making friends like that in real life when saying a simple hello is like climbing Mount Everest. Let alone try finding a girlfriend... *sigh*

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On a different note... @SR - I know who Newt Gingrich is. Well, I know he was a presidential candidate anyway.

[Scary Kitty]

Good morning, Sparkies! Happy Lazy Sunday and... S-minus 4 hours and 45 minutes to the Sunday post-a-thon! Boxes of tissues and bottles of whiskey have been strategically deployed throughout the room and will be constantly reloading. We'll need 'em. Curse you, TPTW.

Scary Kitty, that cake looks delicious! Has it been completely devoured, or is there still some left?

It's just like the kleenex and whiskey. Constantly reloading so it never runs out.

"Gold mine." When you put it that way, it's as if the producers just threw something that would have pleased so many fans out the window. It's true that not all viewers would have been pleased with the decision to bring Sparky on-screen, but then again, it's virtually impossible to please all fans. Taking that into account, TPTW should have went in the "majority wins" direction. Do they even have a legit reason for not wanting to bring Sparky on-screen, because I honestly will never understand how they could have been so thick-headed and denying about the most popular ship on Atlantis.

No, they didn't have a legit reason. They just wanted to bully through that they were right and we were wrong. Didn't work out so well for them, did it? *smirks*

So my question now is: are they destined to be alone their entire lives? Will they ever meet again, and what will happen if they do? I hope Atlantis Rising answers these questions...

Well, you'll just have to wait and see...

Very good point there. If you observe carefully, you'll realize that John's conversation with Carter on the balcony in Season 4's "Reunion" is nearly identical to John's conversation with Elizabeth on the balcony in Season 1's "Rising, Part 2." Both times, John wanted to go back for someone he had left behind, and both times, his request had initially been denied, with Elizabeth and Carter both saying that unless he could come up with a plan that had even a remote chance of succeeding, there was nothing that they could do. I do believe that when John talked to Carter, he had remembered the same conversation with Elizabeth from three years ago. He remembered how he had wanted to immediately act on his instincts without considering the risks, and this time around, he was careful to look before leaping. He realized that Elizabeth wouldn't have wanted him to launch a rescue mission for her if it was going to be much too dangerous and risky. At the end of the day, I think that he didn't do what he wanted to do in order to honor Elizabeth's wishes.

That's entirely possible. TPTW could've done a better job making that idea clear, rather than just shoving it under the rug, though.

No darling, if you don't understand existentialism, that makes you even smarter. As I said earlier, even the followers of that philosophy don't understand it or agree on anything. The emptiness of the whole belief system is really sad to me. I see it as yet another convoluted way to deny God, but that may just be me.

It's not just you. The whole thing is like trying to herd cats.

Thanks you two and thanks again for all the other greetings I got. I had a lovely dinner with my family at a fancy French place. And just a couple of tables away we spied Newt Gingrich and his wife. For all those who don't know, he is a former Speaker of the House and Presidential candidate. Everyone ignored them and they seemed to be having a lovely time. We tried not to stare. Miss M and I failed.

You and Miss M crack me up! Glad you had a great time!

You almost make it sound like it's (my) our own fault (I) we don't have friends outside of the virtual ones. But you seem to forget there are a whole plethora of other factors that could potentially contribute to a socially awkward offline life, and therefor it's sometimes an insurmountable problem when one has difficulty connecting with people outside the keyboard.

Me, I'm an extreme introvert with autistic tendencies and extremely socially awkward. Talking to strangers or starting up conversations scares the living daylights out of me. Try making friends like that in real life when saying a simple hello is like climbing Mount Everest. Let alone try finding a girlfriend... *sigh*

I can't stand calling strangers on the phone. Family and friends, no problem, but it sure makes it hard to schedule appointments...

[Falcon Horus]

I can't stand calling strangers on the phone. Family and friends, no problem, but it sure makes it hard to schedule appointments...

My colleagues probably hate me for it but I'll rarely if ever pick up another one's phone. If I don't know who's going to be on the other side, I ignore the ringing entirely. Luckily our department doesn't get that many outside calls.

[JT-2]

I can't stand calling strangers on the phone. Family and friends, no problem, but it sure makes it hard to schedule appointments...

My phone phobia is a well known thing among my family, friends, and coworkers. I'm much better than I used to be, though. I used to ask others to make my calls all the time. I only do that occasionally now.

[drewandian]

so it's my belief system and believing that there IS SOMETHING more out there that makes it hard to wrap my mind around existentialism? It's comforting to know I didn't waste all that time and money after all...lol

I used to be terrified of making phone calls...til I had a job where I had to call people and tell them their credit card payment was declined. It was a nightmare but I learned something from it.

I still have trouble approaching a group of people I know and saying hi, tho, which is why I'm sitting alone in 're concourse of my church while the boys are at Sunday school....

[Brie]

Hello everyone! I’m looking forward to tonight’s post-a-thon even if it’s a difficult one to watch.

You almost make it sound like it's (my) our own fault (I) we don't have friends outside of the virtual ones. But you seem to forget there are a whole plethora of other factors that could potentially contribute to a socially awkward offline life, and therefor it's sometimes an insurmountable problem when one has difficulty connecting with people outside the keyboard.

Me, I'm an extreme introvert with autistic tendencies and extremely socially awkward. Talking to strangers or starting up conversations scares the living daylights out of me. Try making friends like that in real life when saying a simple hello is like climbing Mount Everest. Let alone try finding a girlfriend... *sigh*

I can't stand calling strangers on the phone. Family and friends, no problem, but it sure makes it hard to schedule appointments...

Thank you for posting this and thanks to everyone for their posts on this whole topic, and that’s not meant as a good thing in any other way then that it means a lot to hear other people who goes through the same thing you do because it’s such a problem that more people understand than they let on mostly because it’s one of those things that really are not talked about and in many cases is almost frowned upon because some feels as if it’s just something that some people maybe create to make up for their own short comings and forget or don’t realize that it’s actually a problem that many really suffers from. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve heard things like “why aren’t you out there making friends?” etc. but it’s not that easy.

I am also having a problem with making phone calls, I will never understand why but whenever I’m supposed to make a phone call I pace for like an hour while I stare at the phone and then I have to write down exactly what I’m going to say because I’m afraid that I will mess up (even if I never does), things are better for me now after I worked with taking phone calls from stranger but it’s still hard to call them in return.

[Southern Red]

I know it's already midnight there on the East Coast, but I hope that you've had a happy birthday, Southern Red!

Scary Kitty, that cake looks delicious! Has it been completely devoured, or is there still some left?



"Gold mine." When you put it that way, it's as if the producers just threw something that would have pleased so many fans out the window. It's true that not all viewers would have been pleased with the decision to bring Sparky on-screen, but then again, it's virtually impossible to please all fans. Taking that into account, TPTW should have went in the "majority wins" direction. Do they even have a legit reason for not wanting to bring Sparky on-screen, because I honestly will never understand how they could have been so thick-headed and denying about the most popular ship on Atlantis.

They claimed that it was because she was his boss. Lame if you ask me because that would have been very easy to change. Maybe after all those years of teasing Jack/Sam they didn't want to do that again. I don't know. I know they also said they wouldn't do Teyla/Ronon because it was too obvious. Good grief.

Good point there. I feel like John has lost more than a man like him ever deserved to lose. He has done nothing but try to make the universe a better place, and this is how he is rewarded? "Enemy at the Gate" comes to mind. I remember how the last scene of that episode showed the team looking out over the Golden Gate Bridge, and I couldn't help but observe how lonely John looked. Is he destined to be a solitary man for all of his life?

Joe Flanigan brings this up every chance he gets. He talks about standing out there on the balcony all alone while everybody else is in a relationship. Poor poor John. And I remember the one request he made of our SGA-R project was that John would get a girlfriend. I wonder if he is going to like what we did?

But now, I just suddenly remembered GateWorld's September 2007 interview with Torri, in which one of the questions was, "Do you think someone like Elizabeth is just destined to live her life alone?" Torri had answered how if she ever survived her journey in Atlantis and returned to Earth, she would engage in a relationship. At the time, though, she had her hands full as her city's leader and had no spare time or energy to devote to a significant other.

I think that is what they tried to show with Mike in Sunday and ultimately failed, but instead made Mike a John archetype that only reinforced Sparky.

By the end of Season 5, I noticed that there is a rather interesting juxtaposition: two individuals who look as if they are destined to be alone. One of them was Atlantis' first leader, and she is floating in space; the other is Atlantis' military commander, and he is regretting his losses back on Earth.

So my question now is: are they destined to be alone their entire lives? Will they ever meet again, and what will happen if they do? I hope Atlantis Rising answers these questions...

This idea is part of the appeal of Sparky to me. Star-crossed lovers destined to keep being reunited.

Very good point there. If you observe carefully, you'll realize that John's conversation with Carter on the balcony in Season 4's "Reunion" is nearly identical to John's conversation with Elizabeth on the balcony in Season 1's "Rising, Part 2." Both times, John wanted to go back for someone he had left behind, and both times, his request had initially been denied, with Elizabeth and Carter both saying that unless he could come up with a plan that had even a remote chance of succeeding, there was nothing that they could do. I do believe that when John talked to Carter, he had remembered the same conversation with Elizabeth from three years ago. He remembered how he had wanted to immediately act on his instincts without considering the risks, and this time around, he was careful to look before leaping. He realized that Elizabeth wouldn't have wanted him to launch a rescue mission for her if it was going to be much too dangerous and risky. At the end of the day, I think that he didn't do what he wanted to do in order to honor Elizabeth's wishes.

I've often wondered if the parallelism in those two scenes was intentional. They failed to make it clear, though, that in The Rising John had a good plan but in regards to rescuing Elizabeth, he did not. They even went so far as to have Carter mention that his attitude had changed because of his association with Elizabeth, so that tells me they wanted us to believe that John was more cautious. As you said, I think he was honoring her wishes also.

A couple of months ago, I wrote an essay and did a speech in my literature class about why social networking is detrimental to society. I actually felt like a hypocrite doing it, because I'm not completely against social networking; if I was, I wouldn't even be a member of this thread. Like Southern Red said above, I also believe that social networking is useful for people who have a common interest, and I think that we've developed some pretty close online relationships here on the Sparky thread due to our common passion. However, I still chose that topic to research just to remind myself that it is important to use social networking wisely and not to abuse it. Something new I learned while researching was how in real life, people communicate not only through spoken words, but also through body language, hand gestures, and even the tone of voice. However, there is none of that on social networking sites, and the words you see on the computer screen don't necessarily evoke any tangible emotions. As a result, people who spend too much time on social networking sites only know how to communicate through a keyboard and don't know how to deal with real life emotions in a spoken conversation.

This is why I still value real life relationships over online relationships; I don't want to lose the relationships I have with real life family and friends. I spend hours cooped up in my room each day with nothing but my homework, books, and laptop, but I value the time I have to talk my family at dinner. Though I'm considered an introvert, I talk to people at school and have pretty healthy relationships with many friends and teachers. While I check my e-mail several times a day because it's the best way for people to contact me, I only chat occasionally with close friends whom I have an actual real life friendship with. I have a Facebook, but I only got it for the purposes of joining my school's Facebook group, and I don't friend anyone. I've always wondered if this is the reason why no one ever remembers my birthday (and for those of you who want to know, it's next Sunday, February 24 ) - I honestly find it very sad how people only seem to remember each other's birthdays through Facebook reminders. What's wrong with simply marking it on your calendar and remembering to prepare something special for that day? To me, it means more if a friend remembers my birthday because she remembered herself than if she remembered only through a Facebook reminder.

You make some very good points. This would be a great topic for a debate club, and I can see valid points on both sides. Social media have opened up a whole new world for so many people who find it hard to interact with others. For those it is a blessing. But, for most people, it is better to strike a balance, and I think most of us do. Facebook has put me back into touch with tons of high school friends, and I love reading about their lives and occasionally chatting with them. As with anything, the problem comes when you do it obsessively and/or get into conflicts with people you disagree with. If it's not fun, I'd say don't do it.

I think social media are here to stay and we have to work them into our lives so they fit for us. They are what you make of them, and like violent games or movies, don't control you.

I can't stand calling strangers on the phone. Family and friends, no problem, but it sure makes it hard to schedule appointments...

My phone phobia is a well known thing among my family, friends, and coworkers. I'm much better than I used to be, though. I used to ask others to make my calls all the time. I only do that occasionally now.

I knew we were friends for a reason. I'm the same way, only I can't stand to call people I know. Strangers don't bother me. I can make appointments or talk to whomever calls me with no problem. I just hate hate to call anyone. I just know it's a bad time and they won't want to talk to me.

so it's my belief system and believing that there IS SOMETHING more out there that makes it hard to wrap my mind around existentialism? It's comforting to know I didn't waste all that time and money after all...lol

Bingo. Give the little lady a big prize.

[Pearl of Atlantis76]

"Gold mine." When you put it that way, it's as if the producers just threw something that would have pleased so many fans out the window.

I believe that’s exactly what they did.

it's virtually impossible to please all fans.

Of course they wouldn’t have been able to please everyone, but I wonder how many did they actually pleased with the way things turned out.

Do they even have a legit reason for not wanting to bring Sparky on-screen

If they did, they never showed it to us. Maybe if they would have explained why they created Sparky and then they took it away, maybe most fans wouldn’t have been so disappointed and angry.

So my question now is: are they destined to be alone their entire lives?

I believe they are destined to be with each other, but the hostile world doesn’t seem to want that. So maybe that’s why Elizabeth ended up floating in space and John in a way “floating” on Earth/Atlantis, is this making any sense? I mean John is actually not living his life. The only thing he seems to be doing now is protecting Atlantis and his friends, without caring for his own life, he doesn’t seem to be capable of doing anything else, he is totally devoted to Atlantis, so devoted that he didn’t even want to go on holidays, remember the conversation from the episode “Brain Storm”, he doesn’t want to waste time going to Earth, he knows he doesn’t belong there anymore, and that’s what made him look even more lonely at the end of “Enemy at the Gate”.

Will they ever meet again, and what will happen if they do?

I am hoping

Spoiler:

to see them meet again, yes!!! But a lot of questions will come up if (once!) that happens. A lot of thinking will probably be made by them both, I mean they will realise a second chance will be given /was given to them, so I am sure they will look at things in a way differently, I mean I believe none of them will want to waste what they ended up loosing and now gaining once more! Of course I believe their sense of duty might some how interfere on their decisions, and of course we still don’t know, if and when Elizabeth will return, in what conditions she will be. But I am hopeful something for the better will happen between them.

I hope Atlantis Rising answers these questions...

Atlantis Rising will hopefully

Spoiler:

(definitely!!!!) answer those questions; I am putting all my faith on this season 6!!!!!

If you observe carefully, you'll realize that John's conversation with Carter on the balcony in Season 4's "Reunion" is nearly identical to John's conversation with Elizabeth on the balcony in Season 1's "Rising, Part 2."

That’s exactly the scene / part that makes me think of that, because Carter then says something similar to what Elizabeth told him in “Rising”.

I do believe that when John talked to Carter, he had remembered the same conversation with Elizabeth from three years ago.

I totally agree with you on this, yes! And then he ended up not having time to plan anything that wasn’t risky in order to go and save/search for Elizabeth, because then “This Mortal Coil” happened and they learned and believed in what the Replicator Elizabeth told them then, that the real Elizabeth was dead. But that doesn’t necessarily excuse the fact they should have gone and check it for themselves.

At the end of the day, I think that he didn't do what he wanted to do in order to honor Elizabeth's wishes.

Yeah, in a way I also believe in that.

I love that picture of Elizabeth from "Intruder." Her face breaking out into a smile and sigh of evident relief when John is beamed onto the Daedalus says so much. Is it just me, or does she look younger, prettier, and more love-stricken than usual?

It’s not only you. I believe she was launching/ beaming sparks all over the place then!!!!

[Pearl of Atlantis76]

Joe Flanigan brings this up every chance he gets. He talks about standing out there on the balcony all alone while everybody else is in a relationship. Poor poor John. And I remember the one request he made of our SGA-R project was that John would get a girlfriend. I wonder if he is going to like what we did?

I am guessing that will depend on how the relationship will end up being, a happy one, or not so much.

I think that is what they tried to show with Mike in Sunday and ultimately failed, but instead made Mike a John archetype that only reinforced Sparky.

I couldn’t agree more!

Star-crossed lovers destined to keep being reunited.

This is definitely so romantic!!! *happy sigh*

[Scary Kitty]

S-minus 1 hour and 25 minutes until the Sunday post-a-thon!

Thank you for posting this and thanks to everyone for their posts on this whole topic, and that’s not meant as a good thing in any other way then that it means a lot to hear other people who goes through the same thing you do because it’s such a problem that more people understand than they let on mostly because it’s one of those things that really are not talked about and in many cases is almost frowned upon because some feels as if it’s just something that some people maybe create to make up for their own short comings and forget or don’t realize that it’s actually a problem that many really suffers from. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve heard things like “why aren’t you out there making friends?” etc. but it’s not that easy.

I am also having a problem with making phone calls, I will never understand why but whenever I’m supposed to make a phone call I pace for like an hour while I stare at the phone and then I have to write down exactly what I’m going to say because I’m afraid that I will mess up (even if I never does), things are better for me now after I worked with taking phone calls from stranger but it’s still hard to call them in return.

OMG, I've done the script thing too! It does help. And it helps even more to know that I'm not the only one who has this problem. *HUGS YOU ALL LIKE CRAZY*

They claimed that it was because she was his boss. Lame if you ask me because that would have been very easy to change. Maybe after all those years of teasing Jack/Sam they didn't want to do that again. I don't know. I know they also said they wouldn't do Teyla/Ronon because it was too obvious. Good grief.

Good grief, indeed. Sometimes, obvious is totally the right way to go.

Joe Flanigan brings this up every chance he gets. He talks about standing out there on the balcony all alone while everybody else is in a relationship. Poor poor John. And I remember the one request he made of our SGA-R project was that John would get a girlfriend. I wonder if he is going to like what we did?

Considering John got to get some, I think he'd probably like it.

This idea is part of the appeal of Sparky to me. Star-crossed lovers destined to keep being reunited.

And hopefully not be parted again.

[Scary Kitty]

S-minus 45 minutes to the Sunday post-a-thon!

[Brie]

I’m here and my DVD is ready and so am I.

I love that picture of Elizabeth from "Intruder." Her face breaking out into a smile and sigh of evident relief when John is beamed onto the Daedalus says so much. Is it just me, or does she look younger, prettier, and more love-stricken than usual?

It’s not only you. I believe she was launching/ beaming sparks all over the place then!!!!

I agree with you on that scene but it’s not only Elizabeth, you could see that John kept his eyes on her as well, especially when he says “…I’ll check the rest later” it was like he said with his eyes “you can check it later”.

[Brie]

and I noticed that we are now on the final disk of season 3, things are getting sad now.