Elizabeth Weir/John Sheppard Appreciation/Ship/Discussion Thread

[Falcon Horus]

I read it wrong and went to check myself but I wrote ‘Stargate Atlantis John and Elizabeth’ and got ‘Cirka 1 570 results’ and then I saw that you had used Sparky and then it’s less. But if you take the 1 570 that John and Elizabeth got + Sparky's 426 then you'll get 1 996 results and I'll go with that (even if some might be the same we can always pretend ).

Ah see... I should have known there was a catch.

Doesn't always work though. Sadly.

[drewandian]

thanks FH...I am feeling better (and I enjoyed your little ADD moment there )

seems like I'm always in here alone *sigh*

[Falcon Horus]

Not alone - me (and my cat) are here too... Saphira's making sure I'm not going anywhere. During the weekend she has to make up for lost time as I'm not at my parents' house during the week.

[drewandian]

Not alone - me (and my cat) are here too... Saphira's making sure I'm not going anywhere. During the weekend she has to make up for lost time as I'm not at my parents' house during the week.

*waves madly* and hello to your kitty too!

I was thinking about the woobie face in GitM (which I will confess I haven't seen yet but I've seen enough caps and read the transcript) and imo I think it was an improvisation on Joe's part...we all know he wasn't pleased with how Torri was treated towards the end and I wouldn't put it past him to make that displeasure known in any means possible

[Falcon Horus]

I wouldn't put it past him either... his way of rebelling against TPTW.

[gateraid]

Again, I've been skimming, while there has been some brilliant GitM (and other topics) discussion going on, this next bit leaped out at me

I was very surprised by that last scene. I mean, how could anyone interpret it as anything but an emotional moment between them? And the devastation on John's face? Now, I heard someone claim that he was so upset because he was afraid she and her gang would destroy the city and that he still wasn't sure they had done the right thing. To which I say, Huh? I guess we could all rationalize any scene to fit our preconceived notions, but that is surely a huge stretch.

Oh for the love of....Did this come out of the same violet foreigner that suggested Weir ordered the strike on the Asurans? Don't get me wrong, I understand the Weir criticisms (and in some cases agree) but there's no need to just make stuff up. grrrr

Moving on

He was moving away from his team so he'd have a clear shot at her in case he needed to shoot her. And that expression was relief that she was finally out of his life and the sexual harassment would stop. OMG, I'm crying.

Ah, back to the Tales from the AU. Those AU caps were some of my best work

SNOW!!!! *dances*

Please send some my way.



The only good thing about skipping Doppelganger is that one can pretend Kate's alive and well... unless one doesn't care for this background character in which case... nevermind.

Rafting on the-nile...

Grrr again. DG is just LAZY WRITING. If they'd decided that they wanted to get rid of Heightmeyer (I doubt that was the case, I imagine the creative process followed similar lines to the one in Sunday - "lets do something to raise the stakes!!!") then by all means find a way to kill her off. But don't make it the stupidest way possible. What point did it actually serve? If, at the end of the episode, it was revealed that 3/4 of it was actually in John's head, it would still have been just as effective. And it might have even allowed a deeper insight into John's personality. But no, lets kill off the least likely character to come into harms way (heck, even Elizabeth actually got herself into situations involving guns and explosions) in the most facepalming way possible. And then have the two characters who had virtually no interaction with her be the most cut up about it. Fail. Fail, fail, fail.

But if she's a hologram, then how will they do the horizontal tango?

If you're a Voyager fan, you might remember the scene where the Doctor illustrates that whilst he's just a hologram (and can materialise/dematerialise) he can still pick things up, can still feel things, and is still solid. He proves this by slapping Paris to illustrate he is solid, then punches a few buttons, and when Paris slaps him back Paris's hand passes right through him. Of course the logic of this scene is undone because somehow, whilst in his 'fluid' state, he can press the buttons to make himself solid again.

Or, if you want a cruder analogy, Janeway gets the hots for a hologram. She makes him a foot taller and deletes his wife. That was the extent of it, but I'm sure you can probably imagine what other alterations could be made.

Watch the episode or read the transcript and you will know what we know. Explaining all that would be OT on the Sparky thread. The mods have been kind to us lately, so let's keep it that way.

Haven't they just?

I don't know if I would call it a misunderstanding. I think it's really best if you see the episode and form your own impressions about it; in my opinion nobody here would be exactly able to retell all the emotional implications from the episode. Several important things happen, you get to see people who were or, one might argue,still are important in John's life. As in, if you don't let go of your past it's still governing you.

Really, it's best if you watch it.

Perfect explanation

Good morning, Sparkies! Happy Pretty Friday!



Perhaps a bit of both. It was Carl Binder who wrote GitM, after all.

<snip>
And we always felt Carl Binder was the best writer of Sparky, from BIS right up to Lifeline, though some of the other writers may have unintentionally shown how close they were also.

I always wondered how intentional it was and I would love to know.

I know that Mallozzi said that Binder was the go to guy when it came to writing Elizabeth and he wrote most of the episodes that either centered around her (such as BIS and TRW) which is another reasons to love his work since who knows how much she would really have been there had he not, but anyway, I think maybe having a lot of Sheppard around seem natural. But did write a lot of good episodes such as my own personal favorite episodes of SGA ‘Echoes’, he also wrote a lot of the episodes in the later seasons that centered around Teyla and Keller so I’m really glad that he was there, otherwise we might have seen even less of the female characters (and I know he wasn’t the only one who did, it’s just that the females didn’t seem to be a priority for many of the show runners).

Wow, I didn't realise JM had said that about Carl. I've started to wonder now whether, with the benefit of hindsight and how Binder opined that he loved writing McKeller and Keller, if he wasn't hedging his bets early on by laying some (very subtle) groundwork for sparky in case TPTW changed their minds and went with that pairing.

Of course it could also be as simple as him liking Elizabeth, writing stuff for her, and wondering "who would she have this scene with" and logically write it with Sheppard, because she could be a little more revealing with him *shrugs*

[Sparky She-Demon]

If you're a Voyager fan, you might remember the scene where the Doctor illustrates that whilst he's just a hologram (and can materialise/dematerialise) he can still pick things up, can still feel things, and is still solid. He proves this by slapping Paris to illustrate he is solid, then punches a few buttons, and when Paris slaps him back Paris's hand passes right through him. Of course the logic of this scene is undone because somehow, whilst in his 'fluid' state, he can press the buttons to make himself solid again.

Or, if you want a cruder analogy, Janeway gets the hots for a hologram. She makes him a foot taller and deletes his wife. That was the extent of it, but I'm sure you can probably imagine what other alterations could be made.

Okay, I'm not a watcher of Star Trek Voyager. But I do get your point. Think you'd be up to writing something like that for John and Elizabeth?

[mandogater]

I don't know if I would call it a misunderstanding. I think it's really best if you see the episode and form your own impressions about it; in my opinion nobody here would be exactly able to retell all the emotional implications from the episode. Several important things happen, you get to see people who were or, one might argue,still are important in John's life. As in, if you don't let go of your past it's still governing you.

Really, it's best if you watch it.

The bolded part is a lesson John and I should both REALLY try to learn.

[Sparky She-Demon]

The bolded part is a lesson John and I should both REALLY try to learn.

Add me to that list as well, mandogater.

[mandogater]

Add me to that list as well, mandogater.

Okay. Maybe we should form our own club?

Hey, I just noticed I got promoted!!

Now I'm the very model of a modern Major General. I have information animal, vegetable and Sparky. Or however that tune goes.

[Sparky She-Demon]

Okay. Maybe we should form our own club?

Hey, I just noticed I got promoted!!

Now I'm the very model of a modern Major General. I have information animal, vegetable and Sparky. Or however that tune goes.

Congrats on the promotion!

I'm still a Major.

[mandogater]

Congrats on the promotion!

I'm still a Major.

Thanks, Sparky She-Demon.

Play around a bit in the fun and games section some and you'll rack up the posts. When I had the time to do that regularly, I think I averaged near 100 posts a week.

[Sparky She-Demon]

What's in the fun and games section?

[Southern Red]

Again, I've been skimming, while there has been some brilliant GitM (and other topics) discussion going on, this next bit leaped out at me



Oh for the love of....Did this come out of the same violet foreigner that suggested Weir ordered the strike on the Asurans? Don't get me wrong, I understand the Weir criticisms (and in some cases agree) but there's no need to just make stuff up. grrrr

I'm surprised that this surprises you after all you've seen and heard. LOL Yes, it's very true and was stated with absolute certainty. Repeatedly. John's concern in GitM was for the city, not Elizabeth.

What's in the fun and games section?

Fun. And games!

[Sparky She-Demon]

How do I get there?