Elizabeth Weir/John Sheppard Appreciation/Ship/Discussion Thread

[mandogater]

Oh yes, i had totally forgotten about the season 2 episode "Instincts" in which she actually acts as a Wraith. Thank you for reminding me of it.

You're welcome, Pearl.

[Southern Red]

I can't believe nobody has noticed...

But we've passed 130,000 posts!


*pops open the champagne*

Woo hoo! Celebrate!

Why you make John and JT cry??

(Very pretty!)




Indeedy.




Those are some hot fics! Love them! I think my favorite of hers is War and Peace. Then for fluff she also has Hunt and Peck, which always makes me giggle.



OMG I LOVE THAT ONE! And yes, poor Lorne.


And I had meant to rec this one earlier, when it was actually Thanksgiving, but you know... laziness. Scary Kitty has Atlantis's First Thanksgiving which is a great story.

Thanks for reccing my fics. Hunt and Peck is the name of my journal, the fic is actually "I Get Misty" but who cares? That was one of my many crack fics. I haven't done one of those in a while.

I love that SK fic and would love to rec more but can't put my finger on where she hides them. Are they all in one place somewhere?

[JT-2]

Woo hoo! Celebrate!



Thanks for reccing my fics. Hunt and Peck is the name of my journal, the fic is actually "I Get Misty" but who cares? That was one of my many crack fics. I haven't done one of those in a while.

I love that SK fic and would love to rec more but can't put my finger on where she hides them. Are they all in one place somewhere?

Fixed it!!

As for SK's fics, I know where her big bang fic but not the others.

[Southern Red]

And my contribution for Smutty Tuesday. Part One is crack, and Part Two is not for kiddies.

Awww, even though I had read that before, it's worth repeating that I love it. And, no matter what anyone says, that is exactly what happened for real.

[ShipperWriter]

Awww, even though I had read that before, it's worth repeating that I love it. And, no matter what anyone says, that is exactly what happened for real.

Thanks!

So I did laundry, ran errands, cooked, watched MI4 cause I had the free time, and am happily surfing the web on my iPad Mini while watching NCIS. It's actually pretty easy for me to type on, although I have small hands, so that might help.

Need to get to work on my other fic, which may end up making up for the HS AU fic that I lost.

[ShipperWriter]

Random Sparky pic:

[Scary Kitty]

I can't believe nobody has noticed...

But we've passed 130,000 posts!


*pops open the champagne*

ZOMG, so we have! WAY TO GO, SPARKIES! LET'S PAR-TAY!!!!!!!

We were blinded by the Sparks...

I'll second that!

And my contribution for Smutty Tuesday. Part One is crack, and Part Two is not for kiddies.

Squee! I remember that fic! So cracktastically good!

Those are some hot fics! Love them! I think my favorite of hers is War and Peace. Then for fluff she also has I Get Misty, which always makes me giggle.

Those are awesome choices! And for crack, there's just no beating her Brain Damage.

And I had meant to rec this one earlier, when it was actually Thanksgiving, but you know... laziness. Scary Kitty has Atlantis's First Thanksgiving which is a great story.

*blushes* Thank you for the praise! I'm very flattered that people like it so much to reread and rec it at will. Tells me I did my job right. *hugs*

I love that SK fic and would love to rec more but can't put my finger on where she hides them. Are they all in one place somewhere?

I think all but the Big Bang fic are on my LJ; just check under the 'fanfic' tag.

[Sequoia Hope]

I can't believe nobody has noticed...

But we've passed 130,000 posts!


*pops open the champagne*

*Throws confetti*

Random Sparky pic:

Cute.

Southern Red, I love your War and Peace!

And seeing as how everyone's gone Sparky fic happy, here is Of Rolling Pins and Chocolate by Erin and Mirroring by Anuna. I absolutely love both of these.

[Zangetsu-san]

LTNS scary kitty!

Hey sparky she-demon, sparky fic of yours is excellent! Just finished reading it. So I'm curious is there any plans to write more chapters to it? I can see john and liz's twins does look like them in real life u know what I mean they're so adorable kids. Nuff said I'll give you a green smile

[Aang]

LTNS scary kitty!

Hey sparky she-demon, sparky fic of yours is excellent! Just finished reading it. So I'm curious is there any plans to write more chapters to it? I can see john and liz's twins does look like them in real life u know what I mean they're so adorable kids. Nuff said I'll give you a green smile

I'm not allowed to give any details but Sparky is planning on more chapters to her sparky fiction

[Zangetsu-san]

I'm not allowed to give any details but Sparky is planning on more chapters to her sparky fiction

Oh really! hmm interesting, she must have worked up new ideas to surprise her readers I suppose?

[Aang]

Oh really! hmm interesting, she must have worked up new ideas to surprise her readers I suppose?

All I can say is it's going to be good

[Zangetsu-san]

All I can say is it's going to be good

Sounds good I'll look forward to it soon!

[gateraid]

Okay, I've only skimmed a few pages, so I'm pretty sure I've missed a lot of good stuff.

Thoughts on John/Teyla discussion:

Whilst I agree that the author's intent should be one's guide in terms of ship (and for the rest of the story!), that becomes a little murky in terms of a show suck as SGA. They have multiple writers, and sometimes scripts get re-worked. Judging what the author's intent is can be....contentious. That said, if they'd had a bit more of a plan (as in "hey guys, this is our chosen pairing, try to drop the odd hint into your scripts every now and then - not too much though, we don't want to beat people over the head with it") then there might have been as much viewer interpretation as their currently is.

I do think that Sheyla would have worked, if they'd given it the proper attention (and I firmly believe that was their plan for s4, but practical realities got in the way).

For all those that say Sheyla is cliched (I'm not disputing this) because it is "gung-ho soldier tames hot babe", consider this: Teyla has more in common with both John and Elizabeth than they do with each other. LFP was the crucible for their relationship IMO, but it was probably because she was thinking a bit too much like Elizabeth (although given that she'd given the order not to intervene, that's open to interpretation)


Thoughts on Weir's non-rescue:

A failed rescue attempt would have been better than what happened, which gave the impression of "if she's out there, I'll find her. I'm not actually going to look for her though, coz, you know, that would be too obvious. Sure, I killed sixty-odd people last time i thought she was dead, but this time I'm just going through the motions. That's why i waited weeks to bring up the subject"

But to be honest, if they'd written it a bit better, i could have accepted it. What grated me was that the whole situation only made sense if you knew what was going on behind the scenes. For as much as they go on about wanting to secure the casual viewer, this indicated to me that they didn't really know how to write for him/her.

Falcon Horus - I'm trying to think back now as to the inspiration for that fic. Was it the series that went something like "thank you thank you thank you for taking the heat off of John and I. With the rumours going around about you two (Kate/Teyla), nobody is talking about us anymore"?

Or was it this one?

Spoiler:

Spoiler:

Sheppard: I just heard the news, Teyla. You know, about you and Kate. This is AWESOME! High 5?

Spoiler:

Teyla: *sigh* Oh all right, if you must

[JT-2]

Okay, I've only skimmed a few pages, so I'm pretty sure I've missed a lot of good stuff.

Thoughts on John/Teyla discussion:

Whilst I agree that the author's intent should be one's guide in terms of ship (and for the rest of the story!), that becomes a little murky in terms of a show suck as SGA. They have multiple writers, and sometimes scripts get re-worked. Judging what the author's intent is can be....contentious. That said, if they'd had a bit more of a plan (as in "hey guys, this is our chosen pairing, try to drop the odd hint into your scripts every now and then - not too much though, we don't want to beat people over the head with it") then there might have been as much viewer interpretation as their currently is.

Since I've got a case of insomnia I might as well respond to this issue when I didn't really have time to before. I don't think we should take authorial intent with the same weight in a TV show as opposed to a book. In a TV show you only know what you see as the final product. If you aren't involved in fandom (and yes, there are many people who are devoted watchers of shows and not involved in any online fandom. A friend of mine is a huge Bones fan and I'm always the one telling her the latest BS Hart Hanson is coming out with.)

With a novel you have 1 author who has control of the content and style of the book (outside of editing, of course). So their intent is clear in the pages. On a show there's actor interpretation, director interpretation, editor interpretation, music, etc. Now of course, in a well run series, all of that would be coordinated through the executive producers. So am I blaming the producers? Yes I am. I really think the show was only as successful as it was in SPITE of them, not BECAUSE of them. I've seen/read enough about other shows where the whole system works much, much differently than Stargate. Farscape, for instance, would listen to their actors and sometimes make changes. The directors would tell them how to play out a scene.

Thoughts on Weir's non-rescue:

A failed rescue attempt would have been better than what happened, which gave the impression of "if she's out there, I'll find her. I'm not actually going to look for her though, coz, you know, that would be too obvious. Sure, I killed sixty-odd people last time i thought she was dead, but this time I'm just going through the motions. That's why i waited weeks to bring up the subject"

But to be honest, if they'd written it a bit better, i could have accepted it. What grated me was that the whole situation only made sense if you knew what was going on behind the scenes. For as much as they go on about wanting to secure the casual viewer, this indicated to me that they didn't really know how to write for him/her.

Yes, exactly. They could have scrapped one of the crappy season 4 stories and inserted a failed rescue attempt. They wouldn't even need Torri for that, and could have included Amanda as the head military person in charge due to her experiences with the Milky Way Replicators. Just put that in between Lifeline and Reunion, and throw out... oh good grief, take your pick. I think it would have been a better transition between Torri and Amanda, actually, for that to have happened. And not the Reunion crap where Sam goes in the field but defers to John.