Elizabeth Weir/John Sheppard Appreciation/Ship/Discussion Thread

[Scary Kitty]

The ZPM would have to be empty, so I'd have to say use the frying pan to be on the safe side...

Spoiler:

LMAO!

Definitely more shooting... or basically a lot more of this ->

Slasher-movie-style axe-chopping... Perfect!

Being where they were in that episode a gardening tool of some sort would have been more handy.

A spade then, instead of the frying pan...

I dunno, a rake would leave deeper marks...

[JT-2]

Holy crap! Lots of interesting discussions!

And I could never see Elizabeth with anyone else but John. Nope, not ever. Oh, I also liked John's ex-wife Nancy and would have been fine with her in his life.

I'm just the opposite. I don't ship John with anyone else (although Nancy is okay) but Elizabeth I'll ship with everyone. In my world everyone must love Elizabeth.

I looked at your photos (thanks for sharing! ) and wow! I loved that

Spoiler:

postcard from San Diego, in which John is writing to Rodney! (He has a very beautiful handwriting, by the way. ) And correct me if i am wrong, but John and Elizabeth are on their honeymoon?!! Wow, so sweet!!!! I love it!!! Oh and it i so funny that he addresses the postcard to Meredith and not Rodney, LOL!!! So funny!!

Wow, most of your photos are really great, some even made me cry.

Thanks!! Yes, that was supposed to be written on their honeymoon. I was feeling romantic and cheesy and I was planning a trip to San Diego at the time.

And thanks so much for the general compliment. That makes me feel all warm and fuzzy.

Didn't they have screentime together in SG1's Pegasus Project?

Yes, a little. And yes I just posted this awhile ago, and it's a small thing that I've overanalyzed but it amuses me so shut up (I've got run on sentence disease today).

Spoiler:

Elizabeth is impressed by Cameron's knowledge:



John doesn't like it. He's the one who could have been Mensa, dammit!!

Barely, though. Elizabeth/Daniel had a lot more. And then there's all those Elizabeth/Daniel moments in Lost City and New Order. Hmm, I could probably ship that too.

Yup, that's one of my Elizabeth ships. Of course my OTP is Sparky, but I like shipping her with Daniel, Jack, Cameron, Radek, Teyla, Kate, ............

[JT-2]

And oh yeah, it seems an appropriate time for me to insert this one:

[Scary Kitty]

I'm just the opposite. I don't ship John with anyone else (although Nancy is okay) but Elizabeth I'll ship with everyone. In my world everyone must love Elizabeth.

Damn right. Even the people who claim to hate her secretly love her because she's just SO BADASS.

Of course, it's still only John (and Atlantis!) for her. But everyone else is totally crushing on her from afar.

Yes, a little. And yes I just posted this awhile ago, and it's a small thing that I've overanalyzed but it amuses me so shut up (I've got run on sentence disease today).

Spoiler:

Elizabeth is impressed by Cameron's knowledge:

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John doesn't like it. He's the one who could have been Mensa, dammit!!

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Darnit, I LOVE how beautiful Lizzeh is in early Season 3. She just GLOWED.

And oh yeah, it seems an appropriate time for me to insert this one:

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AHAHAHAH! Desk sitting FTW!

[Infinite-Possibilities]

Since I've joined gateworld I've spent a fair amount of time contemplating the nature of shippers & shipping and the mind of a fangirl vs fanboy. I've developed a couple of theories.

One of the things I learned pretty quick was that shipping was sort of like The Hulk's supposed levels of strength - it had no limit. No matter how bizarre or absurd the pairing was there was apparently somebody who shipped them somewhat. At one point I thought about trying to imagine the weirdest possible pairing I could think of as a joke and see what happened in a thread.

Anyway, I'm not really what I'd think of as a "shipper" at all so, honestly most shipping and slashing seems rather silly to me unless it's canon in the show. So in most cases I've learned not to care about it either way. John/Elizabeth was one of the rare examples where I took enough notice of it at all to become a fan.

The thing about Keller for me was that, while I never reached the levels of hating her like a lot of people did she was easily my least favorite regular on either show. But the thing that I've consistently noticed was that she didn't bother me at all in Season 4. I guess I felt she was better suited to a Zelenka type role than a McKay or Beckett one. I felt like the one person she had the best chemistry was Todd of all people. And I don't mean romantically, mind you. Actually Christopher Heyerdahl is the guy that I felt like had chemistry with everyone else on the set. But chemistry can mean many things so evidently everyone interpret such a nebulous notion differently. For example, I never ever would have imagined there was anything to McShep if I didn't already know about it's slashers.

Outside of Sparky, most other Stargate ships I'm indifferent to or not a fan of. Although I suppose there are a few I'd "support" in a non serious way. During Season 9 & 10 of SG-1, one of my personal running jokes was that I'd usually read a little too much into every scene between Cam and Vala looking for Farscape references.

The debate about authorial intent is one I don't really have a clear answer for but I tend to think that it is very important. Perhaps slightly less so outside of a book though, because there are other nuances to the finished product on TV for example.

Though I obey only one mistress at the time:

Spoiler:

But ummm... what if you ran into this?

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Seriously though, I have to... er, confess that I've never watched a full episode. The only thing I had ever really learned about the show was Mord'Sith and Confessors (and Bruce Spence). In fact, for a while I'd actually assumed the show was about Kahlen as the main character and she was the titular Seeker, whatever that was.

[Sequoia Hope]

Whoa, the thread's pretty busy today! Very interesting discussion... now I'll just add my two cents.

I loved Jewel from Firefly, and I didn't really dislike Keller. I thought the character was badly written, too young for the part and wrong for Rodney, but none of that was Jewel's fault. I actually feel sorry for her having to put up with all the hate.

I actually didn't dislike Jennifer, either. I personally thought that she was a very interesting character, and one of my favorite episodes from Season 4 (and this is saying a lot, because there weren't a lot of episodes I liked after Elizabeth left) was "Missing." We learn so much of who she is in that episode: a small-town girl who grew up too fast (that, we learned in "Quarantine"), diffident and insecure, lost and lonely, unsure of where she belonged. I liked how she contrasted from the confident and experienced members like John and Rodney. Now granted, I can understand why she may not appeal to many people, and I do agree that she could have been written better. I think that a lot of the hate towards Jewel and her character may have been fueled by the fact that she took Paul McGillion's place. Fans of Carson were already outraged at his death, and unless the character who replaced him was easily likable, they were unwilling to accept someone else in his place.

I see that too. If John and Teyla had shown that teasing side that I've seen from Joe and Rachel, I might have shipped them. But the sibling vibe is just too strong.

Hmmm, siblings? I actually haven't thought about it that way, but that is an interesting way to look at it. I personally just didn't like the idea of Sheyla to begin with. I don't know really know how to say this, but from my point of view, a romantic relationship between the two of them would have been something along the lines of "suave, sexy guy gets hot chick." It almost seemed like the show was going in that direction the way the writers wrote John and Teyla in "Rising, Part 1," and to be perfectly honest, if the show did indeed go in that direction, I don't think that Atlantis would have been as appealing to me.

And I could never see Elizabeth with anyone else but John. Nope, not ever. Oh, I also liked John's ex-wife Nancy and would have been fine with her in his life.

Can't agree on that more.

Re Jack, perhaps he was a little talkative? I do like the fic though, it's very well written

Hmmm, a bit too talkative? That's actually been nagging at me from the back of my mind... I'll have to look into that. Thanks!

[Aang]

I actually didn't dislike Jennifer, either. I personally thought that she was a very interesting character, and one of my favorite episodes from Season 4 (and this is saying a lot, because there weren't a lot of episodes I liked after Elizabeth left) was "Missing." We learn so much of who she is in that episode: a small-town girl who grew up too fast (that, we learned in "Quarantine"), diffident and insecure, lost and lonely, unsure of where she belonged. I liked how she contrasted from the confident and experienced members like John and Rodney. Now granted, I can understand why she may not appeal to many people, and I do agree that she could have been written better. I think that a lot of the hate towards Jewel and her character may have been fueled by the fact that she took Paul McGillion's place. Fans of Carson were already outraged at his death, and unless the character who replaced him was easily likable, they were unwilling to accept someone else in his place.

*waves* Hi, Carson fan over here... Yes, I was pretty crushed when I found out he died, and yes I was pretty frustrated that she was his replacement. Admittedly I'm not a huge Keller fan for the obvious reasons...but she did earn respect from me a few times. Namely, that episode "Missing" when she told Teyla that she was nervous because of how the Athosians had loved Beckett and she knew she wasn't him, the end of Kindred 2 where she promises Clone!Carson that she'll work on the cure, and the episode at the beginning of s5 where she recreates the serum to save the clone.

And I have no problem whatsoever with Jewel, it obviously had nothing to do with her or her character as to why they killed off Carson. That was just TPTB deciding the "Sunday" episode was too peaceful without a twist, really. Jewel didn't even come on the scene until after that episode...I'm just not a fan of Keller. Same as I'm not a big fan of Dr. Lam on SG-1 even though I know she had absolutely nothing to do with Janet's death. They're just...not the originals and never will be in my eyes. Keller isn't Beckett and she never will be...doesn't mean she can't be a good CMO for Atlantis, just means she's not Carson

[Brie]

Cause if we have to stick to what we know from the show there are no gay people on the expedition which is downright ridiculous to start with. That's just statistically speaking not possible.

There is actually supposed to have been a gay character on SGA,

Spoiler:

there is a scene where one of the women (it’s possible that it was Vega, I don’t remeber her first name or her military rank, but she was the dark haired soldier that first appear in Search Rescue and then as one of the members of the all-female team in ’Whisperers’) but anyway there was a scene when she is flirting with Keller that is supposed to be about that though in my opinion I’m glad that they skipped the scene, not because she’s gay but because how the whole thing was done, it seem more as if it was some straight men’s girl-on-girl fantasy rather than a serious attempt to write a gay character that works.

I'm just the opposite. I don't ship John with anyone else (although Nancy is okay) but Elizabeth I'll ship with everyone. In my world everyone must love Elizabeth.

Yup, that's one of my Elizabeth ships. Of course my OTP is Sparky, but I like shipping her with Daniel, Jack, Cameron, Radek, Teyla, Kate, ............

Damn right. Even the people who claim to hate her secretly love her because she's just SO BADASS.

Of course, it's still only John (and Atlantis!) for her. But everyone else is totally crushing on her from afar.

I feel the same way, I can easily ship Elizabeth with anyone (even if it’s mostly John), maybe it’s because Elizabeth is my favorite character on the show, or maybe it’s because, since she’s the leader, that she does have scenes with everyone and it’s the way those are written, most men especially seem to have a hard time not taking their eyes of her in the scenes she’s in, I dunno, but to me she works with everyone.

[Raelis]

Cause if we have to stick to what we know from the show there are no gay people on the expedition which is downright ridiculous to start with. That's just statistically speaking not possible.

Yeah, unless we count one incredibly minor, blink-and-you-miss-her character that was killed off in the same episode we met her... typical.

I could try to explain why I ship Kate with Teyla, but I can't really. Sure, the only one we see Kate interact with much is Teyla, and they're obviously friends. So from there I'd say it's only a small jump to imagine them as something more than just friends. Canonically speaking Teyla could be classified as straight seeing as how she's linked to male characters on at least two different occasions (although the marine referred to in McKay & Mrs Miller isn't really referred to as being male - I think, can't really remember). But Kanaan blows any doubt out of the water... And I ship them as canon couple. For the little we saw I really like them together.

I don't even think any explanations are required as far as shipping is concerned. You just like the pairing, and that's enough. I used to not understand why people ship people who have barely any screen time together... until I started shipping characters that never even met in canon myself because they just worked in my mind. I knew that if they ever met, they woud click, and it was so incredibly clear to me. It'a all about the imagination! I know people who passionately ship John/Cameron Mitchell based on their single short scene together, and while I don't ship them, I totally get where they are coming from- John and Cam are so similar on the surface, yet with so many tantalizing differences that just beg to be explored (perfect good little soldier vs rebel). One could explore it from the context of friednship or romance, and it all results in a lot of great fic being written.

I have a soft spot for Rodney/Teyla - they do have screen time together, but less than any other member of the team has with each other. Thier relationship is just... lacking, compared to all others. I desperately wanted to see more of Rodney and Teyla's friendship but I was left dissapointed. Thank God for fic! It allows to fill the gaps and see the unexpected, unexplored layers of the characters.

(1) I imagine that pairing doesn't have much fanfics either?

No, there is not. At least, not a lot of fic that is actually good. I have read a few, my favorite being Siria's epic fic "Through" on AO3. Siria is a big fan of both Teyla and Keller and has a great grasp on their characters, so it was she who sold me on the pairing.

Didn't they have screentime together in SG1's Pegasus Project?

Yes, I forgot about that. But alas, it was so little that I don't think it counts. I don't think they even talked to each other.

HEY!! Rodney/Katie wasn't dysfunctional... they were cute together. I even liked Rodney better when he was around Katie, except obviously in Quarantine. There she should have smacked him upside the head.

Heh, Quarantine was what I had in mind when I wrote "dysfucntional". Katie just could not handle Rodney in his, er, undistilled form. She's way too soft for him. And Rodney is too much for her. I think they would have hated each other very soon after the marriage. I think Katie needs a man like Carson or Lorne (the well-adjusted one). And Rodney needs a strong, fiercely intelligent, sarcastic woman with the backbone of steel who won't meekly put up with his crap. (Not that Katie wasn't intelligent. She was, just not in the way that would make Rodney take her seriously.) Rodney needs someone like Sam, except not an astrophysicist because that would make them spend too much time competing with each other.

...No matter how bizarre or absurd the pairing was there was apparently somebody who shipped them somewhat. At one point I thought about trying to imagine the weirdest possible pairing I could think of as a joke and see what happened in a thread....

...Actually Christopher Heyerdahl is the guy that I felt like had chemistry with everyone else on the set. But chemistry can mean many things so evidently everyone interpret such a nebulous notion differently...

Hee. I have read a couple of John/Todd fics out of curiosity... There's the proof for your theory that EVERY pairing has its shippers.

I think that a lot of the hate towards Jewel and her character may have been fueled by the fact that she took Paul McGillion's place. Fans of Carson were already outraged at his death, and unless the character who replaced him was easily likable, they were unwilling to accept someone else in his place.

Yes, and also many Teyla and Ronon fans hated her for having a lot of screen time and episodes that focused specifically on her, all at the expense of Teyla and Ronon who were often ignored. Also, the McShep fans hated her - for bovious reasons. Poor Jennifer.

It almost seemed like the show was going in that direction the way the writers wrote John and Teyla in "Rising, Part 1," and to be perfectly honest, if the show did indeed go in that direction, I don't think that Atlantis would have been as appealing to me.

One scene in "Hide and Seek" made me think the show wahted a love triangle between Elizabeth,John and Teyla, and I would have hated that with a bitter passion. There's no other trope that I loathe more than love triangles. Thank God I was wrong.
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[Falcon Horus]

She also hugged him in Spoils of War out on the balcony when she got emotional about her baby. He patted her awkwardly and kind of leaned against her to comfort her, but considering she was pregnant with another man's baby, I don't see how it could have been shippy. That was around the time I was so sure S4 would be the year Sheyla became canon. Boy was I happy to be wrong.

I honestly can't remember that... ...I've watched all these episodes so many times and I can't even remember half of what happened apparently.

Slasher-movie-style axe-chopping... Perfect!

Sit back, relax and enjoy the popcorn!

I dunno, a rake would leave deeper marks...

Ouch!! The grapevine would have been buzzing with horror-tales of how Rodney received his marks.

Lots of interesting discussions!

The thread's on fire.

Lots of different opinions clashing in the discussion arena - in a civil way of course.

In my world everyone must love Elizabeth.

LOL!!
Everyone should lay themselves down at her feet and worship the goddess of Atlantis. Yeah, bring on the crack-fic.

Yup, that's one of my Elizabeth ships. Of course my OTP is Sparky, but I like shipping her with Daniel, Jack, Cameron, Radek, Teyla, Kate, ............

And the list goes on...

Since I've joined gateworld I've spent a fair amount of time contemplating the nature of shippers & shipping and the mind of a fangirl vs fanboy.

It's quite honestly (IMO) one of the more interesting things to do... it's absolutely fascinating.

No matter how bizarre or absurd the pairing was there was apparently somebody who shipped them somewhat. At one point I thought about trying to imagine the weirdest possible pairing I could think of as a joke...

So, what was the weirdest pairing you could think of?

Don't forget to see if there's fic for it though, only then the ship is legimately fandom-approved.

Anyway, I'm not really what I'd think of as a "shipper" at all so, honestly most shipping and slashing seems rather silly to me unless it's canon in the show. So in most cases I've learned not to care about it either way.

I wasn't until I learned of Daniel/Janet in SG1 and learned about fanfic. Before that it all went by me... I sure don't go looking for it, it just happens - those are the best ones, like when in Warehouse 13 HG Wells and Myka work together for the first time (well Helena saving Myka's life anyway) - there was an instant "OMG - they look great together!"-moment that hit me like a ton of bricks. And bam... my favorite WH13 pairing was born.

In SGA I first fell madly in love with Kate before I fell madly in love with Kate/Teyla.

But ummm... what if you ran into this?

Then I'd be in biiiiiig trouble...

Seriously though, I have to... er, confess that I've never watched a full episode. The only thing I had ever really learned about the show was Mord'Sith and Confessors (and Bruce Spence). In fact, for a while I'd actually assumed the show was about Kahlen as the main character and she was the titular Seeker, whatever that was.

I saw a .gif of Kahlan and Cara on a friend's journal kicking some serious butt. Female characters being awesome and strong (in every sense of the word) - I wanted to see this show. So, when I downloaded the first season I was incredibly disappointed that Cara wasn't in it until the very end.

I personally thought that she was a very interesting character, and one of my favorite episodes from Season 4 (and this is saying a lot, because there weren't a lot of episodes I liked after Elizabeth left) was "Missing."

The episode which was supposed to be a big Teyla-episode.

...from my point of view, a romantic relationship between the two of them would have been something along the lines of "suave, sexy guy gets hot chick." It almost seemed like the show was going in that direction the way the writers wrote John and Teyla in "Rising, Part 1," and to be perfectly honest...

Exactly what TPTW had in mind when they started writing - I imagine.
Teyla was also one of the last characters to be filled. Rachel wasn't cast until a few days before shooting was scheduled to start.

There is actually supposed to have been a gay character on SGA,

Spoiler:

there is a scene where one of the women (it’s possible that it was Vega, I don’t remeber her first name or her military rank, but she was the dark haired soldier that first appear in Search Rescue and then as one of the members of the all-female team in ’Whisperers’) but anyway there was a scene when she is flirting with Keller that is supposed to be about that though in my opinion I’m glad that they skipped the scene, not because she’s gay but because how the whole thing was done, it seem more as if it was some straight men’s girl-on-girl fantasy rather than a serious attempt to write a gay character that works.

Yes, that would have been Vega who they killed in Whispers. And I think that missing scene was added to the DVD (don't own it, so can't check for sure).

And indeed, it probably was the fanboys squee'ing over the girl-on-girl fantasy action. Sadly...

Mallozzi dropped a few hints that there was another character whom they envisioned to be gay, but of course after the fact all of that is speculation and not actually canon since it wasn't on screen. But there's a thread on GW for it. The general consensus seems to be that it was Lorne.

[Pearl of Atlantis76]

Absolutely. Good writing is the key. Hey, I actually liked Keller and thought McKeller was sweet in SGA-Rising. I disliked both passionately on screen.

I am like you, i also didn't like McKeller on screen (mainly because i dislike the actress) but i like them in SGA-Rising, so if you are able to write them well, we can actually like them.

There are maybe four crucial scenes from s4/early s5 that if I ignore, then I don't mind Keller at all. It helps in fic that I don't have to hear her speak, that voice didn't do much for me either.

I second that!

You summed up perfectly how I feel about Sheyla too. I hope us talking about this won't get us modded again, but I feel it's important to discuss other ships in relation to how you feel about yours. Repeatedly over the years during the height of the "ship war" I tried to explain to advocates of that ship that I did see some of what they were seeing, but my objection was solely that I didn't like it. Yes, I saw all the anvils. Yes, I saw what TPTB were trying to do, but they ultimately failed. I could never see the average viewer buying it, and that opinion was proven time and time again in my own life by the people I know who don't go on forums but just assumed that Sparky was the chosen ship. Now, I know others say the opposite, but I'm just going by my own experience. Perhaps it would have helped if TPTB had given Joe and Rachel a little guidance. I think it was Rachel who later said that they never talked about how their characters felt, and Joe finally decided on his own that Shep was jealous in S4. The writers should have sat down with them and explained just where they were going so that they would have incorporated the final outcome for their relationship into their acting. In actuality, it just looked like they ignored each other for months and then one day decided to throw in a look or two. Plus the ridiculous notion that beating each other with sticks was supposed to show sexual tension. What in the world were they thinking?

Yes, i had that feeling too. I saw that specially Teyla begun to "look" more at John then, but i didn't feel the same in what concerned John towards Teyla.

I think that person may have forgotten LFP and most of S4. John and Teyla never had a harmonious relationship. She didn't get him and he ignored her except when he was ordering her around. People see what they want to see. For example, there were complaints that John let Elizabeth control him, yet how many times in S1 did we see them clash? Later I guess he just caved. So not John Sheppard.

And I could never see Elizabeth with anyone else but John. Nope, not ever. Oh, I also liked John's ex-wife Nancy and would have been fine with her in his life.

I totally agree with what you said.

Yes, THIS. Atlantis is what brought them together and changed their lives. I sometimes wonder who is more in love with Atlantis - is it Elizabeth or John? And I can't find the answer.

I think both of them are, but maybe because of different reasons.

I think he did. He also said John was going to find Elizabeth and bring her back, so all kinds of possibilities there.

Are you serious about this?

Why feel the need to apologize? As long as you're not going to go around stamping on my preferred ship (which is not J/T before anyone gets some crazy ideas), I'll be able to overlook your shortcomings...

Oh, thank you for that, LOL

No, seriously... I respect that you have Sparky as your OTP, and all others be damned. Just don't apologize for something that I know you don't care about. It only makes you look bad.

Maybe apologizing it will make me look bad, but i think that i should, because i know it is not easy (sometimes) to hear other people talking about their preferences when they are not the same as yours/ours, i would feel better, in a way, if people would do that to me.

Didn't she only hug him once? In Doppelganger, right after losing Kate?

No, she hugs him as well in Spoils of War,

Spoiler:

when they are talking in the balcony, when she is telling him that she had almost lost her child because of the Wraith Queen, remember?

[Falcon Horus]

Maybe apologizing it will make me look bad, but i think that i should, because i know it is not easy (sometimes) to hear other people talking about their preferences when they are not the same as yours/ours, i would feel better, in a way, if people would do that to me.

The only thing we have to remember - anyone really - is to respect the things all of us like (and dislike, or not like so much).

And that's all I'm going to say about it. Take that however you will, but this is the end of that conversation and I will not respond or continue this in any way shape or form.

[Pearl of Atlantis76]

I think she hugged him again in Quarantine. Or was it Spoils of War? Oh well, I suppose we'll find out when we get there in the post-a-thon.

Oh, could be... I think Lorne patted her on the shoulder in Spoils of War. He did comfort her when she was having doubts. The quarantine-hug might have been before John decided to play Spiderman without spider-part. Nah, can't remember (even though I saw that episode 6 times or so).

She hugs him again in Spoils of War. Does she hug him also in Quarantine? I don't remember that one.

Being where they were in that episode a gardening tool of some sort would have been more handy.

I agree, LOL!

A spade then, instead of the frying pan...

LOL!

She also hugged him in Spoils of War out on the balcony when she got emotional about her baby. He patted her awkwardly and kind of leaned against her to comfort her, but considering she was pregnant with another man's baby, I don't see how it could have been shippy. That was around the time I was so sure S4 would be the year Sheyla became canon. Boy was I happy to be wrong.

Yeah, i am glad you were wrong!!!!!

Thanks!! Yes, that was supposed to be written on their honeymoon. I was feeling romantic and cheesy and I was planning a trip to San Diego at the time.

And thanks so much for the general compliment. That makes me feel all warm and fuzzy.

I just loved it quite a lot! And you are welcome.

Damn right. Even the people who claim to hate her secretly love her because she's just SO BADASS.

Does that include Kavanaugh and Colonel Ellis (how i hate the man, LOL!)?

I honestly can't remember that... ...I've watched all these episodes so many times and I can't even remember half of what happened apparently.

I guess it means you need to watch them again, soon!

The thread's on fire.

Lots of different opinions clashing in the discussion arena - in a civil way of course.

Perfect, just the way it is supposed to be.

[Pearl of Atlantis76]

Darnit, I LOVE how beautiful Lizzeh is in early Season 3. She just GLOWED.

Yeah, i agree!!

The thing about Keller for me was that, while I never reached the levels of hating her like a lot of people did she was easily my least favorite regular on either show. But the thing that I've consistently noticed was that she didn't bother me at all in Season 4. I guess I felt she was better suited to a Zelenka type role than a McKay or Beckett one. I felt like the one person she had the best chemistry was Todd of all people. And I don't mean romantically, mind you. Actually Christopher Heyerdahl is the guy that I felt like had chemistry with everyone else on the set. But chemistry can mean many things so evidently everyone interpret such a nebulous notion differently. For example, I never ever would have imagined there was anything to McShep if I didn't already know about it's slashers.

Yeah, i agree with that. The only character with whom she seemed to feel comfortable was with Todd, i also had that feeling.

[Falcon Horus]

I guess it means you need to watch them again, soon!

I'll watch them (maybe) in the re-watch. I don't have time for it otherwise.