Elizabeth Weir/John Sheppard Appreciation/Ship/Discussion Thread

[Scary Kitty]

*runs in* My iMac is here! My iMac is here! SQUEEEEE!

*hugs JT-2* I'm sorry you're still sick. That's never fun. But you're in good company on the 'being sick makes me cranky' wagon, 'cause that happens to me too.

And yeah, in fact Joe called RP his "hot new leading lady". LOL

I was there in person to witness that one. Years later and it still makes me giggle. Joe, don't ever change your snarky ways!

And the fact that they didn't seem to see the possibility of Spanky is as puzzling as not going with Sparky. I can imagine the scene in the writers' room.

Writer 1: Okay, let's see. We have two pairs with incredible chemistry.
Writer 2: Don't forget that the fans love them.
Writer 3: Oh, and the ratings will probably go up if we put them together.
Writer 1: So, we're all agreed then.
Writers 2 and 3: Yep, we deny they exist and go with other ship options.

Oh, the irony.

Zapped into an SGA episode by accident earlier today, and realized how much I have missed seeing the intro and hearing the beautiful music. I was disappointed to see I had zapped into the intro of season 5 so I flipped on forwards and back to what I was watching. Then the second commercial block made me switch channels again, and this time I ended up in the middle of Kanaan telling Teyla to be do what she had always been doing, going out in the field and find ways to keep the people of the Pegasus safe with the help of the Atlantis crew... and the scene brought such a warm fuzzy feeling that I forgot to switch back to the nth rerun of Charmed.

Awwww, now that's a great warm and fuzzy feeling to have! *hugs FH, Teyla and Kanaan*

[gateraid]

They knew about the chemistry between Shep and Weir, no doubt about that. The commentary from Coup d'Etat proves that. But the question is were they using it as a red herring? I thought at first that any other ship idea with the two of them was the red herring, but now I'm not so sure. We can't deny the reality of what they said they intended to do, and contrary to what some other ships may think, we're not delusional. I recognize what's on my screen, and at times it did look like they meant to ship John with Teyla. Fine, if that's what you want. Enjoy your ship. But at times it also looked like Sparky was a sure thing. So, who knows. However, it didn't work out for either of them so nobody had to watch the other ship happen.

The scene that always struck me as deliberate teasing was Misbegotten's defending your honour. Not so much due to the flirt factor, but because the only reason (apparently) it was there was to show the passage of time. They could have put any scene in, or rewritten that one when they saw how it turned out.

Personally, with all we got from John in S4-5, I can enjoy the angst and move on with no rancor. Well, except maybe toward TPTB. And look at us, after all these years, still enjoying what might have been. We saw it. We loved it. It still makes us squee. Sparky FTW!

It's open to interpretation I guess, but it seemed like John went through the wringer in the last two years. Everyone else managed to move forwards with their lives, with new families, new relationships, two bosses that got promoted to the top job over him, friends back from the dead only to leave again (both of them)....hopefully season six works out better for him. That Mayel bird seems pretty cool, what could go wrong there?

Oh, and your fic was great. *puts away red pen* You get inside John's head in a really good way. I can just see him going through that thought process.

I think if you truly went through it with the red pen you'd run out of ink I can see him thinking those things, to a point. That sort of stuff might occupy 5% of his thoughts, or maybe even less. I don't like the way that fic made him seem emo.

Good morning, Sparkies! Happy Pretty Friday!



No, that's not cynical, it's just realistic. I think SR is right that some of TPTW were probably viewing/using Sparky as a red herring. Fortunately for all of us, real life events prevented them from going in the direction they had intended. What we ended up with, frustrating as it was, has proved to be a better result simply by virtue of being open-ended enough to give every group a little something to be happy about. If that makes sense.

What's the expression, the best designs happen by accident? I'd never thought about it like that, but I suppose they did end up by giving something to everyone.

I also liked your latest ficlet, too. You really got into John's headspace and the self-doubt and guilt that we've seen only hinted at in various episodes. Great stuff!

That's why I'm not overly fond of it. I don't think he spends a lot of time thinking about that sort of stuff, and writing the whole thing from that perspective made it seem like he did.

Great job on this fic Gateraid Im writing a little ficlet as we speak shall post when I am done =D

Thank you Looking forward to it

I am home sick again today.
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Feel better soon

Agreed. I think M&M wanting to keep SG-1 alive was the number one reason, but I don't doubt this was a small reason as well. Denied.

I'm never sure what to think with those guys. Looking at some of their statements now, with the benefit of hindsight, it sounds like they came up with a few different ways of bridging the two series. Instead they went with delete Weir, insert Carter.

They also knew about the sexual chemistry of Spanky. Gero says that in the Duet commentary. Which makes me go back to the stubborn and egotistical PTB theory once again. Apparently being sick makes me cranky.

Playing DA here, it would've made more sense to have the love triangle involve Sheppard, Ronon and Teyla. It would've been possible to twist previous stuff to suit it - Ronon not making a move because he wasn't sure if they were involved, Ronon asking about Teyla in Sunday because he was trying to see if Shep had feelings for her....*evil grin*

Awww, sorry you're sick. Wish I could bring up some chicken soup. It's miserable and rainy here, which makes me want to do nothing.

And yeah, in fact Joe called RP his "hot new leading lady". LOL

And the fact that they didn't seem to see the possibility of Spanky is as puzzling as not going with Sparky. I can imagine the scene in the writers' room.

Writer 1: Okay, let's see. We have two pairs with incredible chemistry.
Writer 2: Don't forget that the fans love them.
Writer 3: Oh, and the ratings will probably go up if we put them together.
Writer 1: So, we're all agreed then.
Writers 2 and 3: Yep, we deny they exist and go with other ship options.

I know we've talked about this before, but it's always baffled me that they couldn't see what great chemistry Teyla had with practically everyone (Ronon, Kate, Carson, Lorne) except for Sheppard. Maybe that's my bias creeping in, but the two of them seemed to get more awkward as time went by, not less.

Zapped into an SGA episode by accident earlier today, and realized how much I have missed seeing the intro and hearing the beautiful music. I was disappointed to see I had zapped into the intro of season 5 so I flipped on forwards and back to what I was watching. Then the second commercial block made me switch channels again, and this time I ended up in the middle of Kanaan telling Teyla to be do what she had always been doing, going out in the field and find ways to keep the people of the Pegasus safe with the help of the Atlantis crew... and the scene brought such a warm fuzzy feeling that I forgot to switch back to the nth rerun of Charmed.

That must be the ep where they're discussing who wears the pants in that relationship during the commentary. Teyla, naturally

[Falcon Horus]

That must be the ep where they're discussing who wears the pants in that relationship during the commentary. Teyla, naturally

Kanaan's definitely the doormat in that relationship. But that makes them such a cute couple... and I bet he's one romantic guy.

[JT-2]

Kanaan's definitely the doormat in that relationship. But that makes them such a cute couple... and I bet he's one romantic guy.

Of course he's the doormat. Little tiny Teyla can kick even huge Ronon's ass. Who in their right mind is going to say "uh honey, I think it was your turn to do the laundry"?

[JT-2]

It's open to interpretation I guess, but it seemed like John went through the wringer in the last two years. Everyone else managed to move forwards with their lives, with new families, new relationships, two bosses that got promoted to the top job over him, friends back from the dead only to leave again (both of them)....hopefully season six works out better for him. That Mayel bird seems pretty cool, what could go wrong there?

I've read in several different post-EatG fics where people mention how everyone has found their own slice of happiness except for John.... that the pattern breaks with him. Poor John. Let me hug him.

Hey, even the McShep people saw it. I must have gotten this link from people here, as gateraid is one of the commenters. See the second picture.
http://monanotlisa.livejournal.com/1094333.html


ps - less than an hour til Fringe!

[Lt.Colonel John Sheppard]

speaking of fringe i was watching an interview where this would be a perfect time for new fans to come in cause they said they were going to "re-introduce the characters" whatever that means.

[gateraid]

Kanaan's definitely the doormat in that relationship. But that makes them such a cute couple... and I bet he's one romantic guy.

Of course he's the doormat. Little tiny Teyla can kick even huge Ronon's ass. Who in their right mind is going to say "uh honey, I think it was your turn to do the laundry"?

In this country, the expression is "cook me some *?<$%^@ eggs". It's a line from an iconic kiwi movie. I imagine Kanaan wouldn't be able to walk for weeks if he said something like that

I've read in several different post-EatG fics where people mention how everyone has found their own slice of happiness except for John.... that the pattern breaks with him. Poor John. Let me hug him.

Hey, even the McShep people saw it. I must have gotten this link from people here, as gateraid is one of the commenters. See the second picture.
http://monanotlisa.livejournal.com/1094333.html


ps - less than an hour til Fringe!

*snort* the Rodnina discussion, I'd forgotten about that.

Re the Adrift/Shep one, from a ship neutral perspective, it's valid. Even if he didn't have shippy feelings for her, it would knock him around for a while. That said, I think it's a little unrealistic that he didn't show much interest in anybody for the next two years, aside from Larrin. Surely there must've been a conversation about it at some point, even if it was just teasing.

[Infinite-Possibilities]

The only things I really know about Fringe is that it's really weird and dark looking and it has Denethor and Spock in it.

[Southern Red]

*runs in* My iMac is here! My iMac is here! SQUEEEEE!

*hugs JT-2* I'm sorry you're still sick. That's never fun. But you're in good company on the 'being sick makes me cranky' wagon, 'cause that happens to me too.



I was there in person to witness that one. Years later and it still makes me giggle. Joe, don't ever change your snarky ways!



Oh, the irony.



Awwww, now that's a great warm and fuzzy feeling to have! *hugs FH, Teyla and Kanaan*

*joins in the iMac squee*

Teyla and Kanaan were so sweet because they went through so much to be together. And maybe because TPTB didn't have time to mess it up. LOL

The scene that always struck me as deliberate teasing was Misbegotten's defending your honour. Not so much due to the flirt factor, but because the only reason (apparently) it was there was to show the passage of time. They could have put any scene in, or rewritten that one when they saw how it turned out.

It was obviously deliberate and flirty flirty. Plus added to the way he defended her in the Woolsey scene just pointed out how in sync they were.

It's open to interpretation I guess, but it seemed like John went through the wringer in the last two years. Everyone else managed to move forwards with their lives, with new families, new relationships, two bosses that got promoted to the top job over him, friends back from the dead only to leave again (both of them)....hopefully season six works out better for him. That Mayel bird seems pretty cool, what could go wrong there?

*snort*

It's funny to read the posts on the episode threads from S5 and see how many agree that John was just not himself and it had something to do with Elizabeth. Well, duh.

I think if you truly went through it with the red pen you'd run out of ink I can see him thinking those things, to a point. That sort of stuff might occupy 5% of his thoughts, or maybe even less. I don't like the way that fic made him seem emo.

I think there was a lot more going on in John's head than we were shown. Joe's wonderful expressions told us that and showed us the depth of John's emotions.

I know we've talked about this before, but it's always baffled me that they couldn't see what great chemistry Teyla had with practically everyone (Ronon, Kate, Carson, Lorne) except for Sheppard. Maybe that's my bias creeping in, but the two of them seemed to get more awkward as time went by, not less.

I think maybe they did realize that and not give them as many scenes together as before. If they were attempting to show us that they had hidden feelings, it certainly fell flat.

Kanaan's definitely the doormat in that relationship. But that makes them such a cute couple... and I bet he's one romantic guy.

He was certainly understanding and caring with her in Broken Ties. I loved their scenes together.

speaking of fringe i was watching an interview where this would be a perfect time for new fans to come in cause they said they were going to "re-introduce the characters" whatever that means.

Don't believe a word of it. If you don't at least have some rudimentary knowledge of what's going on, you will be scratching your head the whole time. I'd say, at this point, just enjoy Joe and if you like the set up, go back and start with the pilot and watch straight through. Walter is one of the best characters ever devised, and his relationship (not shippy) with Asterisk, Ostrich, Asteroid, Andromeda Astrid is just lovely.

[TheLadyMore]

The only things I really know about Fringe is that it's really weird and dark looking and it has Denethor and Spock in it.

I should be watching it, but my roommate dragged me into watching Supernatural. Like what I am seeing though I am watching it from season 7

[JT-2]

Don't believe a word of it. If you don't at least have some rudimentary knowledge of what's going on, you will be scratching your head the whole time. I'd say, at this point, just enjoy Joe and if you like the set up, go back and start with the pilot and watch straight through. Walter is one of the best characters ever devised, and his relationship (not shippy) with Asterisk, Ostrich, Asteroid, Andromeda Astrid is just lovely.

I had seen the pilot episode only before this one, and I was lost. Most of it went flying over my head. Joe was still awesome, though. That's all I'm gonna say.

[mandogater]

And the fact that they didn't seem to see the possibility of Spanky is as puzzling as not going with Sparky. I can imagine the scene in the writers' room.

Writer 1: Okay, let's see. We have two pairs with incredible chemistry.
Writer 2: Don't forget that the fans love them.
Writer 3: Oh, and the ratings will probably go up if we put them together.
Writer 1: So, we're all agreed then.
Writers 2 and 3: Yep, we deny they exist and go with other ship options.

For some reason I can see this conversation or something very similar having actually happened in the writer's room, LOL.

Hope you feel better soon JT-2.

[Southern Red]

I had seen the pilot episode only before this one, and I was lost. Most of it went flying over my head. Joe was still awesome, though. That's all I'm gonna say.

I haven't seen it yet, but I hear he wasn't on there nearly long enough. We'll watch tonight, after football.

[Falcon Horus]

Of course he's the doormat. Little tiny Teyla can kick even huge Ronon's ass. Who in their right mind is going to say "uh honey, I think it was your turn to do the laundry"?

In this country, the expression is "cook me some *?<$%^@ eggs". It's a line from an iconic kiwi movie. I imagine Kanaan wouldn't be able to walk for weeks if he said something like that

Kanaan trying to explain what happened to him.... can you imagine the grinning from the others?

[Scary Kitty]

Good morning, Sparkies! Happy Sparky!Family and College Football Saturday!

Ah, so many good posts to respond to, but I still have to figure out how to highlight text with a Magic Trackpad.

Managed to miss the first 20 minutes or so of Fringe last night; I'm assuming Joe was in that part, 'cause I didn't see him in the rest of the episode. Walter is an absolute nutter, that's for sure.