Elizabeth Weir/John Sheppard Appreciation/Ship/Discussion Thread

[VampyreWraith]

It's not because it's scifi that it's not necessary to be a bit realistic. It's maybe why I didn't like the last season.
But for the promotion, I'm ok with it. But please, give a promotion to Lorne.lol

Yes promote Lorne, he's been a Major at least since season7 of SG1 i think.

[Southern Red]

It's not because it's scifi that it's not necessary to be a bit realistic. It's maybe why I didn't like the last season.
But for the promotion, I'm ok with it. But please, give a promotion to Lorne.lol

Yes promote Lorne, he's been a Major at least since season7 of SG1 i think.

Yes, Lorne is waaaayyy overdue. I think we can get some good jokes from Ronon about John's promotion also. "A bird colonel? What the hell does that mean?" Then he tells some elaborate story about how on Sateda the ranks were named after weapons. LOL

[Fionnait]

Yes, Lorne is waaaayyy overdue. I think we can get some good jokes from Ronon about John's promotion also. "A bird colonel? What the hell does that mean?" Then he tells some elaborate story about how on Sateda the ranks were named after weapons. LOL

I totally dig that

[Anuna]

Yes, Lorne is waaaayyy overdue. I think we can get some good jokes from Ronon about John's promotion also. "A bird colonel? What the hell does that mean?" Then he tells some elaborate story about how on Sateda the ranks were named after weapons. LOL

"Are you going to grow feathers now?"

[Southern Red]

"Are you going to grow feathers now?"

*snerk* "Bird? Bird? You mean like tweet tweet." "Bite me, Chewie." And Elizabeth overhears this bizarre conversation and questions their sanity. LOL

[Flowerbud]

Remember that John got promoted at the beginning of S2 which would now be 4 years at that rank. It's a bit early but considering what he's done in the meantime not unheard of. And being military commander of a base like Atlantis would definitely be a Colonel's job. But since it's fiction we can explain it any way we want.



I like this idea, especially the flashback part. Plus I'm thinking John should receive a few medals. If Cam got the Medal of Honor, John certainly should also.

He definitely deserves a medal. A Purple Heart for sure. Receiving a Medal of Honor is supposed to be a rare event, but like you wrote if Cam can get one for just flying a fighter jet and shooting at Goould or whoever it was, John should get one for the multiple times he has saved Earth. Maybe because he has a bad reputation with the brass at Earth and they don't really understand the dangers of the Pegasus galaxy, he's been passed over. John is definitely not in it for the glory.

[Southern Red]

He definitely deserves a medal. A Purple Heart for sure. Receiving a Medal of Honor is supposed to be a rare event, but like you wrote if Cam can get one for just flying a fighter jet and shooting at Goould or whoever it was, John should get one for the multiple times he has saved Earth. Maybe because he has a bad reputation with the brass at Earth and they don't really understand the dangers of the Pegasus galaxy, he's been passed over. John is definitely not in it for the glory.

Very very true. He deserves a bunch of purple hearts. And since he saved Earth in EatG, he should get the MOH.

[Anuna]

Very very true. He deserves a bunch of purple hearts. And since he saved Earth in EatG, he should get the MOH.

Agreed. It's finally time for him to get an official recognition for all his loyalty and bravery.

[Scary Kitty]

Good afternoon, Sparkies! Happy Canon Monday!

The only thing about that is that if she did come back, Weir would've died. No ifs, buts, maybes, just dead. Being rehabilitated and sent back to earth is still a loose end, so presumably she would've had to die to close the storyline. They'd have been better off to write half a dozen or so Weir eps, and do them all in s4, either killing Weir at the end, or erasing her memory (I suppose a bit like

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Donna

in Dr Who)

In GitM? I figured they were just going to leave it uncertain as to whether or not GitM Weir was the real Weir or just another duplicate, to tie into that idea Mallozzi had floated around after TMC aired and then again after SGA was canceled about how the Replicators could've been hiding the real Weir somewhere else and were lying about it, blah blah blah. Of course, that's the way it ended up anyway...

I like the idea of promoting John after the mid-season 2 parter. (Lorne, too--but for some reason I want him to be Major until John's a Full Bird. Is that just me? Poor Lorne-y). But I wonder--should we do it before Gravity or as a result of Gravity? Might be funny to have Ronon empathing John being all egoistic about it. But I think we could fit it in anywhere in the back half of the season. Or perhaps John is celebrating his promotion ceremony as Gravity starts or something?

But it's a great idea to start mentioning his rank when the City gets cut off in the season finale, too, as a counterpoint to whether Elizabeth can handle stepping in as leader when Woolsey's unable to do it. Not quite a HZ argument but perhaps close...

Lorne so needs a promotion. I agree, though, I don't quite like the idea of them both being light colonels at the same time, either. I actually would like to see John's promotion come as close to the end of the season as we can make it, so after Gravity sounds good.

On promoting John, he has 4+ years in grade and it seems the SGC has some leeway on expediting promotions; Sam and Cam both made full Colonel (apparently the credits on the DVD movies were messed up; Cam's a full bird too) after 3 years. And he is, technically, "Commander, Allied Forces, Pegasus".

Just to add to that, there's also the variable of years in the service. In "Sunday" we got to see John's various medals and awards on his dress uniform; one of them is the Longevity Service Award, which is awarded for every four years of service. John has the ribbon plus three bronze leaves, so if all his awards are up to date, that means that as of "Sunday" he had been in the Air Force for at least 16 years and possibly as many as 19. I have Sunday tentatively placed in the late autumn of 2006; if we go by the 16 year mark, then he'd be around 19-20 years by the time we get to the second half of Season 6 (which I'm assuming will be in 2010?), which is a little early for John to get a promotion. If we go by the 19 year mark, then he'd be around 22-23 years in 2010, which is right on the outer edge of the "zone" for him to get the promotion.

Heee, and yours was literally the only fic like that, that I've read. (you also wrote it after I bugged you to write a kiss - fic, if I recall correctly.) I love that story.

Actually, I was thinking about what you suggested in your comment, only I'm not sure how clear I was regarding my own thoughts and ideas (because I'm still trying them out in my head and sort - of imagining the scenes as I go) -- I thought about Atlantis getting notified that John is up for a promotion. Someone Important (General Landry? Jack? Who should do this) should come over, or John is scheduled to go to earth and be promoted. At the beginning of 'Gravity' there is a toast scene, something like the one we saw in "Aurora", only much much happier. But, I hope you understand what I mean; something intimate, involving only John's close friends (Elizabeth, Rodney, Carson, Ronon, Teyla and Kanaan - because he should definitely be a part of her life in this sort of way; and Woolsey? Anyway. they're having a toast and congratulating John, and he is a little thoughtful because desk job is mentioned, because this is something he never thought would happen - it's a great moment to explore his character in more depth and hint on his issues and fears. This scene could also be a flashback.

Then, we fast forward to present when he is imprisoned, interrogated, and being left utterly alone, in complete quiet and dark, when he has to face himself. In the meantime, his friends are looking for him, and they will eventually find him. I want him to make a full circle and perhaps redefine his goals, his own sense of self worth, the way he sees his duties and his professional growth. I definitely want to tackle his backstory - regarding which I'm really loving the suggestion by VampyreWraith from some time ago - that he was somewhere where he wasn't supposed to be, his mom was coming to pick him up and got killed in a carcrash.

What do you think, guys?

I LOVE IT! That's a fantastic idea; I love the use of the flashback/flashforward here, too.

I like this idea, especially the flashback part. Plus I'm thinking John should receive a few medals. If Cam got the Medal of Honor, John certainly should also.

At the very least the Silver Star, or better yet, the Air Force Cross. I think one of the reasons why they gave Cam the MoH was because he almost died in Antarctica and no one expected him to recover. One doesn't have to die to get the MoH, but it's become far less common in recent years to award it to someone still living.

Yes, Lorne is waaaayyy overdue. I think we can get some good jokes from Ronon about John's promotion also. "A bird colonel? What the hell does that mean?" Then he tells some elaborate story about how on Sateda the ranks were named after weapons. LOL

*snerks*

"Are you going to grow feathers now?"

LOL!

*snerk* "Bird? Bird? You mean like tweet tweet." "Bite me, Chewie." And Elizabeth overhears this bizarre conversation and questions their sanity. LOL

Okay, we so have to put that exchange into the episode!

He definitely deserves a medal. A Purple Heart for sure. Receiving a Medal of Honor is supposed to be a rare event, but like you wrote if Cam can get one for just flying a fighter jet and shooting at Goould or whoever it was, John should get one for the multiple times he has saved Earth. Maybe because he has a bad reputation with the brass at Earth and they don't really understand the dangers of the Pegasus galaxy, he's been passed over. John is definitely not in it for the glory.

*snickers* I remember reading one fic where Stargate Command had people saving up their injury reports to turn in for a Purple Heart, almost like turning in cereal box tops for a mail-in prize, because there were just so many injuries in the line of duty that if they did the awards the normal way, it would attract waaaay too much attention.

[ddc]

Cam question

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Just curious, when did Cam become a full colonel? I don't remember that.

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Not sure exactly but sometime after Season 10. We know from John's congratulating her that Sam's promotion was shortly before she took command of Atlantis. Sam and Cam are both wearing Eagles on their flight suits in Continum so the latest Cam would have been promoted was while Sam was in Atlantis. My guess is that both of them were promoted (and probably got some new medals) after the Ori were defeated.

[Anuna]

@SK - duly noted, that bit about Ronon and John's conversation regarding "full birds". LOL. hey, I am not a native speaker. To me it sounds just as strange as it would to Ronon.

[VampyreWraith]

ddc Thanks.

[nephtys59]

There's nothing you can do about it. You're taken ... captured ... bound ... enslaved!!!

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I redesigned my old website on Altervista, now Sparky is there, safe with A/T and growing
And in the home page I put links to SS6 and SGA Rising

[VampyreWraith]

There's nothing you can do about it. You're taken ... captured ... bound ... enslaved!!!

Spoiler:

I redesigned my old website on Altervista, now Sparky is there, safe with A/T and growing
And in the home page I put links to SS6 and SGA Rising

Thats a nice site; and I liked A/T too.

[Scary Kitty]

@SK - duly noted, that bit about Ronon and John's conversation regarding "full birds". LOL. hey, I am not a native speaker. To me it sounds just as strange as it would to Ronon.

Hey, that just means you've got a better ear for spotting odd turns of phrase that might have Ronon and Teyla scratching their heads than we do!

There's nothing you can do about it. You're taken ... captured ... bound ... enslaved!!!

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I redesigned my old website on Altervista, now Sparky is there, safe with A/T and growing
And in the home page I put links to SS6 and SGA Rising

Muahahahahah! That's great!