Elizabeth Weir/John Sheppard Appreciation/Ship/Discussion Thread

[Lt.Colonel John Sheppard]

OT:

Spoiler:

okay so I'm in a little bit of a tight jam. Yesterday (Friday) I ran into a old lady friend for the first time since march. I told her that the next time she is in town that i would buy her dinner and she said she like that. I started noticing that I might feel something for her when I saw her for the first time last july since she and my best friend broke up. It wasn't until late January that she and i spent an entire Night talking that I finally realized that I like this girl alot more than I should. My friend knows that i like her but i told him we were only friends and That's it but now seeing her again all these feelings just floated back to the surface again.

what should I do?

[Anuna]

OT:

Spoiler:

okay so I'm in a little bit of a tight jam. Yesterday (Friday) I ran into a old lady friend for the first time since march. I told her that the next time she is in town that i would buy her dinner and she said she like that. I started noticing that I might feel something for her when I saw her for the first time last july since she and my best friend broke up. It wasn't until late January that she and i spent an entire Night talking that I finally realized that I like this girl alot more than I should. My friend knows that i like her but i told him we were only friends and That's it but now seeing her again all these feelings just floated back to the surface again.

what should I do?

If she's free, I guess it's okay to see her. But, I think the ebst thing, regarding your friend, is to be honest and tell him you'd like to go out with her, if that's what you'd really like.

[Fionnait]

http://twitter.com/mhaithaca Torri Higginson bouncing on stage as she learns Uruguay takes the lead. #shoreleave #worldcup
43 minutes ago via TweetDeck

Torri was for Uruguay.

[Lt.Colonel John Sheppard]

If she's free, I guess it's okay to see her. But, I think the ebst thing, regarding your friend, is to be honest and tell him you'd like to go out with her, if that's what you'd really like.

Thanks Anuna. Talking to him is not going to be easy. I've known the guy for 15 yrs. But i would like to see where my relationship with (let's call her "Elizabeth") goes and I think this dinner will do just that.

[Anuna]

Thanks Anuna. Talking to him is not going to be easy. I've known the guy for 15 yrs. But i would like to see where my relationship with (let's call her "Elizabeth") goes and I think this dinner will do just that.

*virtual hug* Those things are never easy, but I think a true friend will always appreciate your honesty about any situation.

[Lt.Colonel John Sheppard]

*virtual hug* Those things are never easy, but I think a true friend will always appreciate your honesty about any situation.

*hugs back* thanks. Well she won't be in town for at least two weeks so I'm not going to dawdle around to talk to my friend.

[KrisRussel]

Aaaaand... any news on the con? I've spoken to Katheryne recently, but we mostly flailed about how cute Torri is, does anyone know anything about Q&A? I want to know if anyone asked Torri about Complete Hero project! Or something sparky! And if she knows about season 6!!!

The con is great!!!!!!!!!!!! We're having so much fun!!!!!!!!
Torri and Eddie and Katee are so sweet and awesome!!!!!!!!
We talked to Torri for a couple of moments at her autograph booth and I told her about season 6 and she absolutely loved it! She also loved the cards and my banner that I got signed and she's convinced we're gonna do a better job writing the show than tptw ever did and she said that Torrealis and I should have done the graphics for the show
She's totally going to check it out and I'm thinking of giving her a large summary tomorrow of the arc in which Elizabeth is going to be brought back. If that's ok with you guys.

I also told her everything that Joe said about her and the message I relayed from him from Fedcon. And for the people who are going to see Joe next, you have to relay this message:
"Joe, I miss you too and I got a subscription to the Washington post that was inspired by you."
Apparently it's supposed to piss him off, so I can't wait for his reaction

After that I got to talk to Terri Osborne again and I asked her about her thoughts on the polyamarous nomads and the books that said writer is writing.
According to her, MGM would never approve a book that breaks canon and if the person checking the books approved it, he made a big mistake.
She can understand the reasoning of the writer, but the writer is applying Earth logic to an alien society and she should not do that.
She also said that if we have proof of the writer breaking canon, we should let MGM know and they will put a stop to it because they will never allow to let an outside writer break canon like that.
And according to her, MGM would never allow an outside writer to couple two main characters (like Sparky or Sheyla) in an official book.
So, yay!!!

Then the panel of Torri was up. She was so awesome and funny.
Someone asked what she would prefer to have happened: Sparky or Sheyla.
Torri: So you're asking weather John would do me or Rachel?
Sheyla would work because John and Teyla are both fighters, but Sparky would also work because John and Elizabeth compliment each other on an intelligent level and keep challenging each other.
Another question was if the chemistry that happened on screen between Elizabeth and John was something that the both of them did on purpose or if it just happened.
Torri said that they had never talked about it, but that they still had to get to know each other when the show started and that they didn't have a lot in common (he's a republican, I'm a democrat), but they did have a lot of respect for each other and she thinks some of that respect came over on the screen.
Karthryn asked about the Martin Firrell project and if he had contacted her about it. She said he hadn't, but she would love to be in it and that if we could, we should let him know that.
She called Sedge a b*tch because a director once told her Sedge stole her light.
During the panel she was following the soccer match and updated us on the score. After that we went to bar to see the last 15 minutes live, and Torri was there too. Twas funny hearing her cheer for Uruguay
We also learned that her fav colors are orange and green.

Torri was for Uruguay.

*hugs* Twas fun to hear her cheer though

[Scary Kitty]

The con is great!!!!!!!!!!!! We're having so much fun!!!!!!!!
Torri and Eddie and Katee are so sweet and awesome!!!!!!!!

Whoo Hoo!

We talked to Torri for a couple of moments at her autograph booth and I told her about season 6 and she absolutely loved it! She also loved the cards and my banner that I got signed and she's convinced we're gonna do a better job writing the show than tptw ever did and she said that Torrealis and I should have done the graphics for the show
She's totally going to check it out and I'm thinking of giving her a large summary tomorrow of the arc in which Elizabeth is going to be brought back. If that's ok with you guys.

Yep, no more pics of the cast floating on the Gateroom stairs, that's for sure.

Telling Torri in vast detail about our Elizabeth arc? I don't have a problem with that; may want to clear that with Eri and SR just to be sure, though.

I also told her everything that Joe said about her and the message I relayed from him from Fedcon. And for the people who are going to see Joe next, you have to relay this message:
"Joe, I miss you too and I got a subscription to the Washington post that was inspired by you."
Apparently it's supposed to piss him off, so I can't wait for his reaction

*snickers* SR, I think you've just gotten your marching orders! LOL!

After that I got to talk to Terri Osborne again and I asked her about her thoughts on the polyamarous nomads and the books that said writer is writing.
According to her, MGM would never approve a book that breaks canon and if the person checking the books approved it, he made a big mistake.
She can understand the reasoning of the writer, but the writer is applying Earth logic to an alien society and she should not do that.
She also said that if we have proof of the writer breaking canon, we should let MGM know and they will put a stop to it because they will never allow to let an outside writer break canon like that.
And according to her, MGM would never allow an outside writer to couple two main characters (like Sparky or Sheyla) in an official book.
So, yay!!!

That is exactly what I expected to hear; Terri's been writing tie-in fiction for a while now, so she knows how this process is supposed to work. And it reminds me yet again of the question of how those books could even have been rushed to approval the way they have been (only a few months from announcement to publication date? WTF?) yet other books that have been in the approval queue longer are being left to languish. Who got paid off to let that slide under the rug? Something is rotten in Denmark, folks.

Then the panel of Torri was up. She was so awesome and funny.
Someone asked what she would prefer to have happened: Sparky or Sheyla.
Torri: So you're asking weather John would do me or Rachel?
Sheyla would work because John and Teyla are both fighters, but Sparky would also work because John and Elizabeth compliment each other on an intelligent level and keep challenging each other.
Another question was if the chemistry that happened on screen between Elizabeth and John was something that the both of them did on purpose or if it just happened.
Torri said that they had never talked about it, but that they still had to get to know each other when the show started and that they didn't have a lot in common (he's a republican, I'm a democrat), but they did have a lot of respect for each other and she thinks some of that respect came over on the screen.
Karthryn asked about the Martin Firrell project and if he had contacted her about it. She said he hadn't, but she would love to be in it and that if we could, we should let him know that.
She called Sedge a b*tch because a director once told her Sedge stole her light.
During the panel she was following the soccer match and updated us on the score. After that we went to bar to see the last 15 minutes live, and Torri was there too. Twas funny hearing her cheer for Uruguay
We also learned that her fav colors are orange and green.

Sedge, you naughty dog!

Sparky works "because John and Elizabeth compliment each other on an intelligent level and keep challenging each other." See, she totally gets it! And yes, the mutual respect is key.

Martin Firrell's naughty, too. Everyone who's on Twitter will have to go spam his Twitter account now.

ZOMG, hanging out in the bar watching Torri watching the World Cup is epic WIN!

Torri's fave colors are orange and green? I'll make a note of that for the costume department as we look for off-duty wear for Elizabeth.

Ahhhh, I am so glad (and envious) that you're all having a great time back there! Have lots of fun tomorrow!

[Southern Red]

The con is great!!!!!!!!!!!! We're having so much fun!!!!!!!!
Torri and Eddie and Katee are so sweet and awesome!!!!!!!!
We talked to Torri for a couple of moments at her autograph booth and I told her about season 6 and she absolutely loved it! She also loved the cards and my banner that I got signed and she's convinced we're gonna do a better job writing the show than tptw ever did and she said that Torrealis and I should have done the graphics for the show
She's totally going to check it out and I'm thinking of giving her a large summary tomorrow of the arc in which Elizabeth is going to be brought back. If that's ok with you guys.

Okay, I'm here and unless Eri really objects, it's fine with me. Just give her the overall arc without specifics in case we change stuff and minimal shippy details.

I also told her everything that Joe said about her and the message I relayed from him from Fedcon. And for the people who are going to see Joe next, you have to relay this message:
"Joe, I miss you too and I got a subscription to the Washington post that was inspired by you."
Apparently it's supposed to piss him off, so I can't wait for his reaction

Uh oh big time. I know Joe reads the NY Times which, since he's a Republican and it's the most liberal paper in the universe, I don't understand. But I'm also a Republican and I read the Washington Post because it's my local paper even though it's the second most liberal paper in the universe. So Joe and I may have to talk papers. But if I do that I won't have time to ask him any of the million questions you guys want me to ask him. I may need at least an hour of his time.

After that I got to talk to Terri Osborne again and I asked her about her thoughts on the polyamarous nomads and the books that said writer is writing.
According to her, MGM would never approve a book that breaks canon and if the person checking the books approved it, he made a big mistake.
She can understand the reasoning of the writer, but the writer is applying Earth logic to an alien society and she should not do that.
She also said that if we have proof of the writer breaking canon, we should let MGM know and they will put a stop to it because they will never allow to let an outside writer break canon like that.
And according to her, MGM would never allow an outside writer to couple two main characters (like Sparky or Sheyla) in an official book.
So, yay!!!

See the thing with the books is that I'm not sure how far outside canon they are going. Unless they go back and change something, who's to say MGM doesn't want the Athosians to be polyamorous nomads? Every thing she's adding on background, even though it's unthinkable to us, may be perfectly fine to the average fan and MGM. And she hasn't said anything about actually putting any characters together. Just that she is breaking some up. At least not in public. The fact that one person does all the licensing at MGM is the big problem and we don't know exactly how to get a message to them or even if it would do any good since it would probably be ignored. It's all very confusing and hard to sort facts from rumor.

One thing we do know for sure is that she is writing Teyla as having had another child which directly contradicts her conversation with Lorne in SOW. I think someone found a few other contradictions also. And she is claiming to be following canon while she is making up whatever suits her.

Then the panel of Torri was up. She was so awesome and funny.
Someone asked what she would prefer to have happened: Sparky or Sheyla.
Torri: So you're asking weather John would do me or Rachel?
Sheyla would work because John and Teyla are both fighters, but Sparky would also work because John and Elizabeth compliment each other on an intelligent level and keep challenging each other.
Another question was if the chemistry that happened on screen between Elizabeth and John was something that the both of them did on purpose or if it just happened.
Torri said that they had never talked about it, but that they still had to get to know each other when the show started and that they didn't have a lot in common (he's a republican, I'm a democrat), but they did have a lot of respect for each other and she thinks some of that respect came over on the screen.
Karthryn asked about the Martin Firrell project and if he had contacted her about it. She said he hadn't, but she would love to be in it and that if we could, we should let him know that.
She called Sedge a b*tch because a director once told her Sedge stole her light.
During the panel she was following the soccer match and updated us on the score. After that we went to bar to see the last 15 minutes live, and Torri was there too. Twas funny hearing her cheer for Uruguay
We also learned that her fav colors are orange and green.



*hugs* Twas fun to hear her cheer though

I always thought that the political difference in Joe and Torri might create a few sparks that carried over on screen. Now we know it's true. Maybe if he had argued politics with Rachel, things would have been better with that ship. LOL I would love to have been a fly on the wall for the Republican/Democrat discussion and I'm sure they were able to argue without any real rancor. But at times she must have wanted to take his newspaper, roll it up and beat him with it. LOL

[Scary Kitty]

Uh oh big time. I know Joe reads the NY Times which, since he's a Republican and it's the most liberal paper in the universe, I don't understand. But I'm also a Republican and I read the Washington Post because it's my local paper even though it's the second most liberal paper in the universe. So Joe and I may have to talk papers. But if I do that I won't have time to ask him any of the million questions you guys want me to ask him. I may need at least an hour of his time.

I just checked on Creation's page for the Chicago con, and apparently they are going to be auctioning tickets (at a later date) to private meet and greet parties with each of the guests. Ten lucky attendees per guest meet and greet. Heheheh...

See the thing with the books is that I'm not sure how far outside canon they are going. Unless they go back and change something, who's to say MGM doesn't want the Athosians to be polyamorous nomads? Every thing she's adding on background, even though it's unthinkable to us, may be perfectly fine to the average fan and MGM. And she hasn't said anything about actually putting any characters together. Just that she is breaking some up. At least not in public. The fact that one person does all the licensing at MGM is the big problem and we don't know exactly how to get a message to them or even if it would do any good since it would probably be ignored. It's all very confusing and hard to sort facts from rumor.

One thing we do know for sure is that she is writing Teyla as having had another child which directly contradicts her conversation with Lorne in SOW. I think someone found a few other contradictions also. And she is claiming to be following canon while she is making up whatever suits her.

The thing with Teyla having had another child in the past is a big one as there is direct canon evidence against it, but even the Athosians as polyamorous nomads is highly suspect, simply because there is nothing in canon that even hints at it as a valid possibility. On the contrary, as has been pointed out here in the past, the way that the Athosians have been portrayed on the series (the importance of families staying together that we've seen with Halling and Jinto, among other things) would appear to contradict it. And we do know that the producers don't take part in the merchandising side of the business (as was reinforced yet again by Joe Mallozzi on his blog a week or so ago), so they definitely have not given their stamp of approval to that story.

Which itself brings up the other elephant in the room: that there's already a producer-approved story on the table. The script for Stargate: Extinction. Why would MGM deliberately sabotage the movie? A movie would make way more money for them than a bunch of tie-in books that the casual viewers (who make up the most sought-after segment of the audience according to the advertisers) don't even know about. Unless it's due to the fact that the lone guy working in MGM's licensing department has no idea the movie script even exists, and it's a case of the left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing. Any way you look at it, it's a trainwreck.

I always thought that the political difference in Joe and Torri might create a few sparks that carried over on screen. Now we know it's true. Maybe if he had argued politics with Rachel, things would have been better with that ship. LOL I would love to have been a fly on the wall for the Republican/Democrat discussion and I'm sure they were able to argue without any real rancor. But at times she must have wanted to take his newspaper, roll it up and beat him with it. LOL

LMAO! I've wondered at that, myself. Hmm, maybe we could slide a fun little scene along those lines into Season 6? Just as a little inside joke?

[drewandian]

*tiptoes in*
hello from Shore Leave!
*tiptoes out*

[Scary Kitty]

*tiptoes in*
hello from Shore Leave!
*tiptoes out*

*glomps you*

Hiya! You're not getting away from us that easily, missy!

[Anuna]

OMG SO MUCH WIN YOU GUYS! The news on book is most interesting, but OMG Torri's view of Sparky is exactly how we see it! And OMG, I just love that their chamistry just happened. It's the same thing with John/Elizabeth because they just happened too! Things like that just can't be forced; they're both awesome people, based on everything we've learned by now, and I love how that carried over to the svreen and gave us so much to love.

I'm okay with telling Torri about Elizabeth's arc; don't go too much into detail and tell her we love her and just have fun!

And, there should be a fic where John and Elizabeth are having a newspaper!fight.

[drewandian]

*glomps you*

Hiya! You're not getting away from us that easily, missy!

I promise to post more soon....and visit more often...but now...I'm taking my drunken backside to bed!
*hugs to all*

[Anuna]

Oh Drew, ya sure ya betcha, you'll tell us everythinggg.

Now, how are we gonna spam Mrt. Firell?