Elizabeth Weir/John Sheppard Appreciation/Ship/Discussion Thread

[KrisRussel]

I think "Gravity" will be a great opportunity to do that. And I just have an idea, regarding John's mother, that would work well, and would be realistic. And since it willa fect the rest of the storyline, especially regarding Elizabeth's breakdown, I'm going to share it.

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This is one of my fanfic ideas and I'm not certain I'll ever get to use it in fanfiction - I might - but I don't see why it couldn't be used in our Season 6. We are led to assume that John's mom died long before John's dad and her loss was something that influenced John profoundly. I remember us discussing car accidents and things like that. How about this - what if she had degenerative neurological condition like Alzheimer's, or Huntington's chorea? It's gradual, progressive, it's very painful to see a loved one go through something like that. It's something that could cause the divide between John and his father, especially if Patrick Sheppard felt guilty over not being able to help his wife, so he stayed away from home under the excuse of working. You can tell John would be mad at him for that.

Which would explain why John is so particularly freaked out by events that make him lose his mind, so to speak. Then, it also sheds a new light on John's reactions regarding Rodney in "The Shrine", and his behavior in other episodes. Finally, it would affect his reactions over Elizabeth's condition during S6, and God, just think about TRW and the nanites that made her believe something that wasn't real. Even his initial decision not to revive her in Adrift, by using the nanites, can be seen in a new light.

Any thoughts, guys?

Oh by the way. Do we have a name for John's mom? I think we could use one. Also. Other characters have parents too. Names?

Ooooh, I really really love that idea!! And since we never got a backstory for John's mom, we can use it in s6 and make it canon

A name for John's mom? It should be something that sounds soft like Anne or Sarah or something...

[Probie]

Love him with his glasses.

Time to go to a restaurant. I'm so french. Do you want to know why? I will eat frog legs again. Yes again because I ate frog legs two days ago. I'm killing every frog on this planet.lol
usually, I don't eat this but this restaurant is magic.
See you later.

[Southern Red]

Yes we do! *BIG HUGS*



I sense a motivational poster in the making.



We could always have them come across a cache of those guns so that John could have one, and they'd have spares that John could try (and fail) to offer Elizabeth when he insists that she has to be armed to go off-world...

Hmm, now that's a question. Just where did these guns come from? Are they Satedan, or is it something that both Ronon and the Travelers picked up from somewhere else? I don't think that was ever answered on the show.

I'll see what I can do on the poster.

That's a good question. We must decide.

I think "Gravity" will be a great opportunity to do that. And I just have an idea, regarding John's mother, that would work well, and would be realistic. And since it willa fect the rest of the storyline, especially regarding Elizabeth's breakdown, I'm going to share it.

Spoiler:

This is one of my fanfic ideas and I'm not certain I'll ever get to use it in fanfiction - I might - but I don't see why it couldn't be used in our Season 6. We are led to assume that John's mom died long before John's dad and her loss was something that influenced John profoundly. I remember us discussing car accidents and things like that. How about this - what if she had degenerative neurological condition like Alzheimer's, or Huntington's chorea? It's gradual, progressive, it's very painful to see a loved one go through something like that. It's something that could cause the divide between John and his father, especially if Patrick Sheppard felt guilty over not being able to help his wife, so he stayed away from home under the excuse of working. You can tell John would be mad at him for that.

Which would explain why John is so particularly freaked out by events that make him lose his mind, so to speak. Then, it also sheds a new light on John's reactions regarding Rodney in "The Shrine", and his behavior in other episodes. Finally, it would affect his reactions over Elizabeth's condition during S6, and God, just think about TRW and the nanites that made her believe something that wasn't real. Even his initial decision not to revive her in Adrift, by using the nanites, can be seen in a new light.

Any thoughts, guys?

Oh by the way. Do we have a name for John's mom? I think we could use one. Also. Other characters have parents too. Names?

Also a good suggestion. I like it if it doesn't conflict with any of our other plans. You know I don't remember so ask Eri.

Hehe, I just found this photo of Joe at Fedcon on one of my friend's fb page... He looks so nerdy and I just had to share

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http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-..._3861520_n.jpg

I love it. I've seen those glasses before in certain private family pics that never should have been posted because now we've lost the connection due to fan stupidity. Anyway, they look like the ones Mr. SR was issued in the Marines. The only thing missing is the band around the back of his head. OMG. And could that shirt be any more preppy? Just my style. Hee.

[Anuna]

Ooooh, I really really love that idea!! And since we never got a backstory for John's mom, we can use it in s6 and make it canon

A name for John's mom? It should be something that sounds soft like Anne or Sarah or something...

I like Anne. It's classical and sensible and very lovely.

I'm not sure if this kind of backstory messes up anything in our plans - I'm not sure, but we won't be certain until our mastermind - that is Eri - shows up and says what she thinks of this idea.

[Fionnait]

Spoiler:

This is one of my fanfic ideas and I'm not certain I'll ever get to use it in fanfiction - I might - but I don't see why it couldn't be used in our Season 6. We are led to assume that John's mom died long before John's dad and her loss was something that influenced John profoundly. I remember us discussing car accidents and things like that. How about this - what if she had degenerative neurological condition like Alzheimer's, or Huntington's chorea? It's gradual, progressive, it's very painful to see a loved one go through something like that. It's something that could cause the divide between John and his father, especially if Patrick Sheppard felt guilty over not being able to help his wife, so he stayed away from home under the excuse of working. You can tell John would be mad at him for that.

Any thoughts, guys?

If we go for something like that I'd vote for something that usually has an early onset. Alzheimer's usually comes very late and even "early onset" Alzheimers comes around 60. Huntington's would be a good candidate, but you will have the dilemma of autosomal dominant inheritance, so does John have the gene or not? What about multiple sclerosis or Parkinson's?

Hehe, I just found this photo of Joe at Fedcon on one of my friend's fb page... He looks so nerdy and I just had to share

[SPOILERS]http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs323.ash1/28295_117552291611988_100000716526771_144820_3861520_n.jpg[/IMG]

I love!

[Anuna]

If we go for something like that I'd vote for something that usually has an early onset. Alzheimer's usually comes very late and even "early onset" Alzheimers comes around 60. Huntington's would be a good candidate, but you will have the dilemma of autosomal dominant inheritance, so does John have the gene or not? What about multiple sclerosis or Parkinson's?

I think a big question with these conditions is heritability. Maybe this is why John didn't have kids with nancy, maybe he was afraid. MS and Parkinson's sound as good canmdidates. I need to refresh my knowledge in neuroscience, though. That was almost ten years ago.

[Probie]

After Lassie, it's House.lol
I'm for the Huntington or Parkinson. (strange sentence...). The backstory of John is very sad.

SR: Preppy? Don't understand this word?

[Scary Kitty]

I think "Gravity" will be a great opportunity to do that. And I just have an idea, regarding John's mother, that would work well, and would be realistic. And since it willa fect the rest of the storyline, especially regarding Elizabeth's breakdown, I'm going to share it.

Spoiler:

This is one of my fanfic ideas and I'm not certain I'll ever get to use it in fanfiction - I might - but I don't see why it couldn't be used in our Season 6. We are led to assume that John's mom died long before John's dad and her loss was something that influenced John profoundly. I remember us discussing car accidents and things like that. How about this - what if she had degenerative neurological condition like Alzheimer's, or Huntington's chorea? It's gradual, progressive, it's very painful to see a loved one go through something like that. It's something that could cause the divide between John and his father, especially if Patrick Sheppard felt guilty over not being able to help his wife, so he stayed away from home under the excuse of working. You can tell John would be mad at him for that.

Which would explain why John is so particularly freaked out by events that make him lose his mind, so to speak. Then, it also sheds a new light on John's reactions regarding Rodney in "The Shrine", and his behavior in other episodes. Finally, it would affect his reactions over Elizabeth's condition during S6, and God, just think about TRW and the nanites that made her believe something that wasn't real. Even his initial decision not to revive her in Adrift, by using the nanites, can be seen in a new light.

Any thoughts, guys?

Oh by the way. Do we have a name for John's mom? I think we could use one. Also. Other characters have parents too. Names?

Oooh, that'd be heartbreaking for John. I'm not sure if we ever finalized anything for John's mother; Eri might remember. I have to admit, I also have the same concerns as Fionnait with regards to how all these conditions are genetically inherited; do we really want to deal with the specter of whether or not John (or his children) might end up with it as well? Gotta think long term, here.

Hehe, I just found this photo of Joe at Fedcon on one of my friend's fb page... He looks so nerdy and I just had to share

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-..._3861520_n.jpg

OMFG. *dies laughing*

Ooooh, I really really love that idea!! And since we never got a backstory for John's mom, we can use it in s6 and make it canon

A name for John's mom? It should be something that sounds soft like Anne or Sarah or something...

Heh, I keep thinking of Anne as a middle name for Elizabeth.

[Fionnait]

I think a big question with these conditions is heritability. Maybe this is why John didn't have kids with nancy, maybe he was afraid. MS and Parkinson's sound as good canmdidates. I need to refresh my knowledge in neuroscience, though. That was almost ten years ago.

You can always do the gene test with Huntington's... Alzheimer's, MS and Parkinson's are all genetically predisposed, but it doesn't mean you'll get it. It only increases your risk slightly, so that would be no reason not to have kids. Your welcome to ask me any medical questions about these conditions. That would mean all this neuroscience education finally would pay off *g*

[Southern Red]

I like Anne. It's classical and sensible and very lovely.

I'm not sure if this kind of backstory messes up anything in our plans - I'm not sure, but we won't be certain until our mastermind - that is Eri - shows up and says what she thinks of this idea.

I like Anne. Elegant and regal.

If we go for something like that I'd vote for something that usually has an early onset. Alzheimer's usually comes very late and even "early onset" Alzheimers comes around 60. Huntington's would be a good candidate, but you will have the dilemma of autosomal dominant inheritance, so does John have the gene or not? What about multiple sclerosis or Parkinson's?



I love!

I know someone who had early onset Alzheimer's and died in her 50's, but I know that's rare. Parkinson's would work. Mr. SR's stepmother died at age 65 of Lupus. It was unusual also in that it came on and didn't slow down. She only lasted 2 years from the diagnosis. A young boy having to watch someone die like she did would have been horrendous.

And on a lighter note, ask and ye shall receive.

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[Fionnait]

Mr. SR's stepmother died at age 65 of Lupus. It was unusual also in that it came on and didn't slow down. She only lasted 2 years from the diagnosis. A young boy having to watch someone die like she did would have been horrendous.

That really unusual. Usually it strikes young females... But then again, diseases rarely adhere to textbooks. I'm sorry for Mr. SR

[Anuna]

Oooh, that'd be heartbreaking for John. I'm not sure if we ever finalized anything for John's mother; Eri might remember. I have to admit, I also have the same concerns as Fionnait with regards to how all these conditions are genetically inherited; do we really want to deal with the specter of whether or not John (or his children) might end up with it as well? Gotta think long term, here.

Hrm. well, since we are the writers, we can decide he doesn't have bad genes and doesn't get these conditions. It's realistic to be afraid of the, of course, but same goes for number of health conditions, like herat conditions (didn't John's father die of heart - condition?), diabetes, kidney diseases, all sorts of stuff. And even if something IS genetically predisponed, like Fionnait said *points below* it doesn't mean the person would get it, or transfer the genes to his/hers children. However, i like storylines like this one, they make the character more real and give him or her concernes people in real life are often facing.

You can always do the gene test with Huntington's... Alzheimer's, MS and Parkinson's are all genetically predisposed, but it doesn't mean you'll get it. It only increases your risk slightly, so that would be no reason not to have kids. Your welcome to ask me any medical questions about these conditions. That would mean all this neuroscience education finally would pay off *g*

Good, good! I feel I might have more questions for you. You do know more about these than me

[Southern Red]

After Lassie, it's House.lol
I'm for the Huntington or Parkinson. (strange sentence...). The backstory of John is very sad.

SR: Preppy? Don't understand this word?

If you want the amusing definition, go here. And check out the looks on this site. I mean Joe could model for them. These are my peeps baby! LOL I just bought my new hot pink flip flops for the summer so I'm all set.

That really unusual. Usually it strikes young females... But then again, diseases rarely adhere to textbooks. I'm sorry for Mr. SR

Thanks, it was a tough year. His mother died just a few months later also. Weird. But he was an adult. I can imagine what John went through especially not being close to his dad.

[nephtys59]

Eeeeee! They're so cute! Heeheehee!

Darnit, we need to figure out a way to get Sedge on Atlantis after Elizabeth comes back in Season 6! Elizabeth needs her dog! And can't you just picture John playing fetch with Sedge? Squee!

Well I had in mind that for my fic Sounds Of Freedom (my ideal Season 7 ending), Sheppard was going to bring the dog back from Earth as a surprise for Elizabeth, but I'm stuck

[Scary Kitty]

I like Anne. Elegant and regal.



I know someone who had early onset Alzheimer's and died in her 50's, but I know that's rare. Parkinson's would work. Mr. SR's stepmother died at age 65 of Lupus. It was unusual also in that it came on and didn't slow down. She only lasted 2 years from the diagnosis. A young boy having to watch someone die like she did would have been horrendous.

And on a lighter note, ask and ye shall receive.

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a1...ceae0fd1f5.jpg

Hah! Love it.

*huggles SR and Mr. SR*

Hrm. well, since we are the writers, we can decide he doesn't have bad genes and doesn't get these conditions. It's realistic to be afraid of the, of course, but same goes for number of health conditions, like herat conditions (didn't John's father die of heart - condition?), diabetes, kidney diseases, all sorts of stuff. And even if something IS genetically predisponed, like Fionnait said *points below* it doesn't mean the person would get it, or transfer the genes to his/hers children. However, i like storylines like this one, they make the character more real and give him or her concernes people in real life are often facing.



Good, good! I feel I might have more questions for you. You do know more about these than me

John's father died of a heart attack, but there was nothing about what exactly brought it on. He could very well have had an underlying condition; David did say something about "looking after Dad," so it sounds like Patrick might have been ill for a while before he died.

Oh, I know we can give John a more favorable outcome. I'm just kind of concerned that this might be a little too distracting, given all the other things we've got in the pipeline for John this season.