Elizabeth Weir/John Sheppard Appreciation/Ship/Discussion Thread

[Eri13]

Congratulations! I've been driving for 7 years now. Geez, how time flies...I do agree with you there.

I got that. It's just that I wish for them to get lost mid-season rather than at the very end.

Ah. I like the idea of them being cut off too, I just don't want to rock the (city) ship, so to speak. For me--and this is just my opinion, I'm not speaking for anyone else--#1 priority in SGA Season 6 is getting Elizabeth back, and I'd want the whole overtone/arc focus to be on that for the first half or so. I don't know if you can effectively sell the city all of a sudden being cut off from Earth (and all that entails--how you set up the story, how you deal with intergalactic ships, allies who know Earth, etc) with also trying to get her back in a cool, battle-royale kinda way.

I pitched it for the end because I thought we could bring total focus on how Atlantis would be faced with the tough choice of having to go it alone to protect Earth. And what cooler Season Finale cliffhanger than John's smashing the dialing crystal as enemies sacked into Atlantis, and Earth trying to frantically dial them and getting no connection?

[Probie]

In Georgia, we have limitations on when and where new drivers can go, which is good IMO, because of how bad traffic is in the ATL. You have to age to 17 or 18 to get full range of driving permissions unless you're in a special circumstance.

I've opened a LJ community for us: http://community.livejournal.com/sparky_season_6/

Posted right now is the list of the Season 6 episodes. I'll put the link in my sig, so people can constantly check on the updates of the Episode lists. I'll also put up Episode synopses when we have them written.

It's complicated here:
-We can't drive before 18.
-We have limitations
-We have 6 points (young drivers) and not 12 like everybody. It's a system here. When we did an infraction (drive with a phone or drive without seat belts or drive very fast), we lose our points. When we have 0 points we can't drive. We can lose 4 points for a stupid thing.

Congratulations! I've been driving for 7 years now. Geez, how time flies...

Thank you!


I do agree with you there.




I got that. It's just that I wish for them to get lost mid-season rather than at the very end.

[Eri13]

It's complicated here:
-We can't drive before 18.
-We have limitations
-We have 6 points (young drivers) and not 12 like everybody. It's a system here. When we did an infraction (drive with a phone or drive without seat belts or drive very fast), we lose our points. When we have 0 points we can't drive. We can lose 4 points for a stupid thing.

We also have the points system, as well as a 'three strikes you're OUT' law where if you speed over a certain point 3 times you lose your license for at least a year if not more.

Probie, not buckling your seat belt is NOT a stupid thing. I want you to stay safe.

[Probie]

We also have the points system, as well as a 'three strikes you're OUT' law where if you speed over a certain point 3 times you lose your license for at least a year if not more.

Probie, not buckling your seat belt is NOT a stupid thing. I want you to stay safe.

This is the first thing I do. Don't worry. i'm a good driver. My problem is that I yell at people when I'm driving.lol
Questions for our season 6: Carson is in it? McKeller scenes in it?

[Falcon Horus]

From the moment a Belgian reaches the age of 17 years and 9 months, they can take the written exam. Once they pass that, they can either learn from their parents or take classes. The moment they hit 18 they can go in for their practical exam. First there's the obstacle course, as I like to call it. If one manages to pass that with flying colors, it's onto the road for the second part. If not, come again and try some more.

Also drivers with a learner's permit can't drive during the weekend, from 10pm Friday evening until I think 6am Monday morning.

Do you have a system with points too?

Nope, no such system, although there have been attempts to put such a system in place. But for now, no point-system.

[Scary Kitty]

Good morning, Sparkies! Happy Screw the Angst Wednesday! Holy smokes, you people have been BUSY!

*makes a note to friend the new comm*

I also prefer the "Oberoth puts Elizabeth in stasis" idea, and I do like the idea of the real Elizabeth being, if not evil, at least not totally trusting Atlantis when she's first found. The mental torture she may have endured while in Oberoth's tender mercies may have something to do with this; perhaps he tried to twist her memories of Atlantis to break her and turn her against them? Add this to the fact that it's taken Atlantis two years to find her, and that they never really did try to confirm whether or not she was dead, they just believed whatever excuses the other Replicators gave them, blahblahblah, and she's got a number of trust issues to sort out in the back half of the season along with her physical recovery.

Also, will the rogue Replicators be misguided good guys, or totally bad guys, and how might that tie into FRANibeth's ultimate fate? (She dies for good? She gives her memories to the real Elizabeth as part of saving her? Something else?)

Atlantis cutting itself off from Earth. Here's a question: When would this Season 6 be happening in relation to SGU? The Lucian Alliance's attack on the Icarus Base and obvious aims of becoming a major power in the Milky Way could provide some additional motivation for the cut-off; perhaps they're the threat to Earth? I'm guessing Air Parts 1-3 would've taken place several months after EatG and the start of Season 6, so the cut-off could come as early as the mid-season two-parter.

As for a rebellion, perhaps Atlantis will only go forward with a skeleton crew, of similar numbers to the original expedition back in Season 1, which I think was somewhere around 100. (by comparison, they had around 300 people at the end of Season 4)

I love the Pegasus coalition. This could heavily involve Teyla and even Todd and maybe have a role for Ronon. Oooh, and Ladon Radim plus those 3 judges in Inquisition. That *****y lady could be a good protagonist for Teyla.

Not to mention Elizabeth. That woman apparently lost her family and her people to the Replicators, and Elizabeth, being part Replicator, would be an obvious target for this woman's wrath. Bring it on!

Ah. I like the idea of them being cut off too, I just don't want to rock the (city) ship, so to speak. For me--and this is just my opinion, I'm not speaking for anyone else--#1 priority in SGA Season 6 is getting Elizabeth back, and I'd want the whole overtone/arc focus to be on that for the first half or so. I don't know if you can effectively sell the city all of a sudden being cut off from Earth (and all that entails--how you set up the story, how you deal with intergalactic ships, allies who know Earth, etc) with also trying to get her back in a cool, battle-royale kinda way.

It could be that IOA/SGC objections to rescuing Elizabeth, due to her being a potential threat, might provide another reason for Atlantis to break away, so that they can get Elizabeth back without interference from Earth.

I pitched it for the end because I thought we could bring total focus on how Atlantis would be faced with the tough choice of having to go it alone to protect Earth. And what cooler Season Finale cliffhanger than John's smashing the dialing crystal as enemies sacked into Atlantis, and Earth trying to frantically dial them and getting no connection?

Oooh! Another invasion of Atlantis? Which of course would be mopped up in the Season 7 premiere? That could be fun!

[Southern Red]

Whiskey? Martini? Scotch? Téquila? Vodka?

Single malt Scotch. The 18 year at least. *hands over credit card*

In Georgia, we have limitations on when and where new drivers can go, which is good IMO, because of how bad traffic is in the ATL. You have to age to 17 or 18 to get full range of driving permissions unless you're in a special circumstance.

I've opened a LJ community for us: http://community.livejournal.com/sparky_season_6/

Posted right now is the list of the Season 6 episodes. I'll put the link in my sig, so people can constantly check on the updates of the Episode lists. I'll also put up Episode synopses when we have them written.

Excellent.

Ah. I like the idea of them being cut off too, I just don't want to rock the (city) ship, so to speak. For me--and this is just my opinion, I'm not speaking for anyone else--#1 priority in SGA Season 6 is getting Elizabeth back, and I'd want the whole overtone/arc focus to be on that for the first half or so. I don't know if you can effectively sell the city all of a sudden being cut off from Earth (and all that entails--how you set up the story, how you deal with intergalactic ships, allies who know Earth, etc) with also trying to get her back in a cool, battle-royale kinda way.

I pitched it for the end because I thought we could bring total focus on how Atlantis would be faced with the tough choice of having to go it alone to protect Earth. And what cooler Season Finale cliffhanger than John's smashing the dialing crystal as enemies sacked into Atlantis, and Earth trying to frantically dial them and getting no connection?

Yes, because we need to get Elizabeth back first so she can help John and Rodney deal with being cut off. Love the finale idea. And John's face will be epic. Plus I'm thinking it will be an eyesex moment.

This is the first thing I do. Don't worry. i'm a good driver. My problem is that I yell at people when I'm driving.lol
Questions for our season 6: Carson is in it? McKeller scenes in it?

Carson definitely. McKeller is up for a vote. I'm torn. We can't really undo canon to that extent, can we? I say we think about letting them realize they're not right for each other and agreeing to just be friends at some point. Any discussion?

[Lt.Colonel John Sheppard]

i would also like to write an earth-based story where elizabeth (along with Colonel Sheppard) head back to earth so weir can see her mother.

[Lt.Colonel John Sheppard]

but seeing Sheppard destroying the control crystal would be priceless and seeing the other's faces would be nice to see as well

[Eri13]

Good morning, Sparkies! Happy Screw the Angst Wednesday! Holy smokes, you people have been BUSY!

*makes a note to friend the new comm*

I also prefer the "Oberoth puts Elizabeth in stasis" idea, and I do like the idea of the real Elizabeth being, if not evil, at least not totally trusting Atlantis when she's first found. The mental torture she may have endured while in Oberoth's tender mercies may have something to do with this; perhaps he tried to twist her memories of Atlantis to break her and turn her against them? Add this to the fact that it's taken Atlantis two years to find her, and that they never really did try to confirm whether or not she was dead, they just believed whatever excuses the other Replicators gave them, blahblahblah, and she's got a number of trust issues to sort out in the back half of the season along with her physical recovery.

Also, will the rogue Replicators be misguided good guys, or totally bad guys, and how might that tie into FRANibeth's ultimate fate? (She dies for good? She gives her memories to the real Elizabeth as part of saving her? Something else?)

Atlantis cutting itself off from Earth. Here's a question: When would this Season 6 be happening in relation to SGU? The Lucian Alliance's attack on the Icarus Base and obvious aims of becoming a major power in the Milky Way could provide some additional motivation for the cut-off; perhaps they're the threat to Earth? I'm guessing Air Parts 1-3 would've taken place several months after EatG and the start of Season 6, so the cut-off could come as early as the mid-season two-parter.

As for a rebellion, perhaps Atlantis will only go forward with a skeleton crew, of similar numbers to the original expedition back in Season 1, which I think was somewhere around 100. (by comparison, they had around 300 people at the end of Season 4)

Not to mention Elizabeth. That woman apparently lost her family and her people to the Replicators, and Elizabeth, being part Replicator, would be an obvious target for this woman's wrath. Bring it on!

It could be that IOA/SGC objections to rescuing Elizabeth, due to her being a potential threat, might provide another reason for Atlantis to break away, so that they can get Elizabeth back without interference from Earth.

Oooh! Another invasion of Atlantis? Which of course would be mopped up in the Season 7 premiere? That could be fun!

I thought about Elizabeth being the reason for the rebellion, but that quickly went to the no column for this reason: that despite how aggressively her friends would push for her, canon does not support John keeping Elizabeth if she's a major threat (see ----> Adrift/Lifeline decisions). To convince John to break with the IOA/SGC in a rebellious way, it would have to be a pretty DAMN big reason, and I can't think of anything that would make him 'go there' unless he was saving something. And he's abandoned Elizabeth in canon when she threatened Atlantis, so if she's a threat to the IOA, she's a threat to Atlantis (logic SUCKS sometimes). I just can't see a good reason for he (and the rest) to support choosing her over the IOA.

I don't like the idea of Atlantis being 'the bad guys' and that's what it would boil down to if it was them against the IOA/SGC, because we still have the SG-1 (and for those watching, SGU) universes to consider. Jack, Sam, Daniel, Vala--they're not bad, they're on Earth, they support the SGC. I don't want Atlantis to go against them.

If, on the other hand, Earth was threatened, I could see Atlantis forcibly cutting itself off to SAVE them. The SGC'd be pissed, but if the threat to Earth was really great, they'd understand.

And, yep, mop up in Season 7.

As to the Franibeth stuff, here's what I have in mind:

Spoiler:

Bulleted for brevity *LOL*

- The backstory to multi-Weir: When Oberoth captured Elizabeth in LL, he was curious (and frightened, if replicators can be) of her ability to link and control the Collective. He knew if another human could do the same thing, the replicators would be in serious danger. The only way to figure out how she did it was to test her abilities. But using the 'Real Weir' was too dangerous, given her ability to control the Collective. However, 'real Weir' couldn't be assimilated OR killed, because if they screwed up their tests, they'd lost their Control sample. So they keep her alive, in stasis. Since she was too dangerous to keep on Asuras in the event something happened and she woke up, they shipped her somewhere else.

- All copies of Elizabeth hence seen are replicants of the Control, testing her out in various scenarios to see what her logical reaction would be. We discover that Clone Weir in TMC was part of a carefully designed plan staged to look like a rebellion, as was Franibeth. However, her ability to 'convince' the programs of Ascension, etc turned staged rebellions into real ones.

- So Franibeth is not originally bad. HOWEVER--all copies of Elizabeth had a special program written in to return them to replicator control if they got too out of hand. Franibeth's was never activated because Asuras was destroyed. At that point, she and her band roamed free with nothing to check them.

- When they are 'gated', whichever bad guy (Renegade Asgard or Wraith) pick them up because they have the final Asuran Replicator from Reunion on board (the audience won't be made aware of this until later). He initiates the reprogramming line in Franibeth and uses her to help him find planets where more of the substance for making replicators can be made. I kinda like the idea of the Renegade Asgard as their accomplices, because then we could bring in the Block Replicators and the Asgard really wanting to learn to control them to their advantage.

- That Replicator also knows that the Control is out there, and how dangerous she is. But Oberoth only let a few Replicators be allowed to know her location because of the danger she posed. But all copies of Elizabeth have that also programmed into them--which means Franibeth knows her location if it can be accessed. The Asuran Replicator cannot himself get into it, however, that programming line is more complicated and because Franibeth rebuilt herself in the image of McKay's FRAN, only he knows the whole programming structure (or some other scientific blah-dee-blah).

- Todd/Wraith discover and inform Atlantis that the Renegade Asgard are up to something. The mention blocky spiders. A routine weekly check on the Franibeth replicators finds them missing. Atlantis panics. They track the blocky spiders to a planet where they find Franibeth, who attempts earn their alliance by saying the RA are trying to destroy the last of the Wraith. Atlantis is NOT happy at the use of replicators, but Franibeth assures them it's completely in their control. Plus, she tells them of a weapon that can be used to destroy the replicators if they can find it. She tricks them into digging into her base code and finding the location of 'the Control'. Once she knows this, the Renegade Asgard 'steal' her back and it's a race to get to the Control first.

- The Control, of course, is Elizabeth. Atlantis gets there first and is shocked beyond belief at 'another version' of Liz, but have no choice but to take her with them.

- When she's woken up, our Elizabeth has no idea what's going on. The last thing she remembers is five minutes ago, John escaping with Ronon. Despite her pleas to this, John's been through too much dupli-Weir crap to believe it easily.

- Atlantis does not know who to trust.

- With the Control released, the remaining Asgard has no choice but to start attempting to replicate as quickly as possible, so that he can build an army too big for her to take over. With Atlantis dragging their feet on allowing Elizabeth out, it looks like he can do this. He begins populating a 'replicator material planet' with block replicators, while concealing that he's building a new Asuras elsewhere (a double-double cross on the Renegade Asgard). Atlantis, still unaware there is a true Asuran behind things, thinks Asgard have done this and go to prevent it.

- Franibeth becomes a red herring, pretending to help Atlantis while trying to undermind them and kill the Control. Our Elizabeth, under serious lockdown on Atlantis, grows angry and frustrated that they'd believe Franibeth but have her under watch. She keeps arguing her innocence but her inability to remember anything renders her untrustworthy.

- At the last minute, as Atlantis is going to launch an ARG attack to destroy the replicator infested planet, Franibeth double crosses them, shutting down the system. the Renegade Asgard are double-crossed as their block replicators are destroyed by the planet-wide ARG and one of their ships destroyed by Asuras II. They escape, but it looks like Atlantis will be destroyed by Asuras II.

- Elizabeth takes Atlantis's shutdown as an opportunity to breaks free of lockdown, seize control of the city computer systems with her matrix-y ability, and to use her abilities launches a massive, planet-wide ARG attack on Asuras II. As the city recovers, she returns control to our crew and sets out to find Franibeth personally. Franibeth has the upper hand, but realizes in the end she cannot kill herself--Elizabeth is always about saving Atlantis in the end--so she folds, and our Elizabeth destroys her.

- In the second half of the season, Elizabeth's story would play out in my story like this:

1) Elizabeth has a hard time coping with the change in her friends. It's not been 2 years for her, so seeing John lose his boyishness, finding Teyla in love, McKeller, Carson's clone--it's all REALLY hard to deal with.
2) Elizabeth is not trusted to hold any key role on Atlantis, though she's allowed to stay. She doesn't know what to do with herself (until someone suggests she becomes a Daniel Jackson and John officially commissions her to his team).
3) Elizabeth's nanites are still there and though McKay has PROMISED they're inactive, it still makes people scared of her. She's angry and hurt by this. Work continues on how to deactivate them all, but it's slow progressing.
4) In hand with that, slowly, memories of what Oberoth did to her in the moments following her rescue start flashing back. Seems it wasn't just five minutes after her capture that she was knocked out. She endured hours of mind-probing/torture to find out what she knew about Atlantis. She was also connected to every Replicator copy made of her, so she slowly starts to see thousands of Elizabeth scenarios played out in her head. It begins to drive her crazy. Maybe we have a standalone episode dedicated to the day when her mind goes nuts and we pull a sort of Doppelganger where someone has to go in, find the real Elizabeth and save her. OOOOOOOOO! SHIPPPPPPPPYYYYYYYYY!

As you can see, I haven't given this much thought...

Single malt Scotch. The 18 year at least. *hands over credit card*

Excellent.

Yes, because we need to get Elizabeth back first so she can help John and Rodney deal with being cut off. Love the finale idea. And John's face will be epic. Plus I'm thinking it will be an eyesex moment.

Carson definitely. McKeller is up for a vote. I'm torn. We can't really undo canon to that extent, can we? I say we think about letting them realize they're not right for each other and agreeing to just be friends at some point. Any discussion?

Since I haven't see the 'subtle nuances' of the official ship, I can't vote. But yay on Carson.

[Erin87]

Oooh, yes, I did rather like the more fitted look to the updated jackets; it was more like the second version of Lizzie's jacket, but a bit more fitted and without the pocket on the sleeve. I definitely want the more functional BDU-style trousers with all those nice big pockets at the lower thigh for carrying stuff. And I would imagine they'd be more comfortable for the actors.


Eeeee! They look so cute!

Thanks. I was really happy with how Emily turned out this time.

Sweet on Michelle. She worried me a bit.

Thanks! Glad the Show Runner approves! Don't forget to add Carl B. to the list of writers, too.

Spoiler:

Glad you survived the DMV. My driver's license lady actually had a real honest to goodness beehive when I took my driving test.

It has been suggested. All suggestions for the seasons are on the previous page, an entire outline and suggestion of Season 6, including a start to how to get Atlantis back to Pegasus.

Personally, I vote fanfic, too, actually.

AND... *takes of play hat for a minute* If we're really thinking of doing something like this for fun, let's set up a few rules?

1) Let's make a pact, if enough people will support.: Please don't write anything until you get episode 'go' approval from the team. That saves people from getting feelings hurt for ideas that haven't been approved, helps us keep story continuity, and keeps this in order. We may be able to publish this on a community or something if we get really great stories.

I'll tacky up my S6 list somewhere and if your episodes been given the go ahead, it'll be labelled "GO". Otherwise, we haven't discussed enough elements of it yet for approval.

IF YOU JUMP THE GUN, WE MAY NOT CONSIDER YOUR EPISODE.

Please. This is to keep this fun.

2) As with any show, general elements are approved, but once the guidelines have been given, writers have creative liberty. But we will be checking over for OOC-ness!

3) We want majority approval for stuff here, so check over story ideas and give your vote! I'll go back day by day and update our discussion lists so people can keep track of ideas pitched.

*puts play hat back on* Okay, Already pitched:

--I need votes on

-- Weir-in-stasis-bring-back-Franibeth idea for reviving Elizabeth in the midseason 2-parter. General consensus on this, please? We have 3 for.

-- Atlantis being sent back to Pegasus: Pitch More story ideas, or do you like the idea of the Pegasus coalition calling them back? SR has approved.

-- Atlantis being lost at the end of S6: Breaking way from earth to protect Earth. Ideas, votes?

Once our 'big 3' arcs are voted on, we'll move to standalones and how those major arcs influence the minor stories.

Well, I vote yes on all of those (as well as the fanfic format). *wracks brain for ideas*
Definitely all for the Real Elizabeth in Stasis idea. That conflict with Franibeth and the mistrust would be golden I think.
I like the Coalition idea, and if they're not going to outright steal the city to go help without authorization, then having that official diplomatic plea for help seems to be like one of the only plausible ways of getting them there. *continues to wrack brain*
The scene for the finale with the dialing crystal is perfect I think - wonderfully dramatic. But just kind of bringing up a point here, I think it was mentioned in the outline that once it was safe Atlantis would try to reestablish contact with Earth. Would they try and find another dialing crystal (maybe find one like in the other version of the city in 'The Tower' or somewhere) or try to make one/get around it somehow? Another option would be just entrusting someone (like one of the Athosians) with the crystal and asking them to hide it where no one on Atlantis would know about it and be tempted to use it if things got bad. This might be getting a little ahead of things, but it's a point to consider when we get there.

Single malt Scotch. The 18 year at least. *hands over credit card*

Excellent.

Yes, because we need to get Elizabeth back first so she can help John and Rodney deal with being cut off. Love the finale idea. And John's face will be epic. Plus I'm thinking it will be an eyesex moment.

Carson definitely. McKeller is up for a vote. I'm torn. We can't really undo canon to that extent, can we? I say we think about letting them realize they're not right for each other and agreeing to just be friends at some point. Any discussion?

Personally (and I might get blasted for this) but I never had a problem with McKeller. I think that Rodney needs somebody, and if she's willing to deal with him then all power to her. However, I would be totally open to it being written a different way, to make it more palatable for everyone.

[nephtys59]

One vote (mine) against a Franibeth vs Elizabeth fight, as much as I love angst, but this is too much for me.
I watched all 5 seasons and if I could erase only one episode, Ghost In The Machine would be the one.

As to Oberoth putting in stasis Elizabeth, I think he would have done that on their homeworld and we already know the Asura planet doesn't exist anymore, so she's destroyed as well.
If Oberoth survived, that means there's a hidden replicator planet as well and I had too much replicators in SG1 to like another replicator war in Atlantis.

I like the idea of Atlantis lost and cut off from Earth at the end of the season 6

[Erin87]

I thought about Elizabeth being the reason for the rebellion, but that quickly went to the no column for this reason: that despite how aggressively her friends would push for her, canon does not support John keeping Elizabeth if she's a major threat (see ----> Adrift/Lifeline decisions). To convince John to break with the IOA/SGC in a rebellious way, it would have to be a pretty DAMN big reason, and I can't think of anything that would make him 'go there' unless he was saving something. And he's abandoned Elizabeth in canon when she threatened Atlantis, so if she's a threat to the IOA, she's a threat to Atlantis (logic SUCKS sometimes). I just can't see a good reason for he (and the rest) to support choosing her over the IOA.

I don't like the idea of Atlantis being 'the bad guys' and that's what it would boil down to if it was them against the IOA/SGC, because we still have the SG-1 (and for those watching, SGU) universes to consider. Jack, Sam, Daniel, Vala--they're not bad, they're on Earth, they support the SGC. I don't want Atlantis to go against them.

If, on the other hand, Earth was threatened, I could see Atlantis forcibly cutting itself off to SAVE them. The SGC'd be pissed, but if the threat to Earth was really great, they'd understand.

And, yep, mop up in Season 7.

As to the Franibeth stuff, here's what I have in mind:

Spoiler:

Bulleted for brevity *LOL*

- The backstory to multi-Weir: When Oberoth captured Elizabeth in LL, he was curious (and frightened, if replicators can be) of her ability to link and control the Collective. He knew if another human could do the same thing, the replicators would be in serious danger. The only way to figure out how she did it was to test her abilities. But using the 'Real Weir' was too dangerous, given her ability to control the Collective. However, 'real Weir' couldn't be assimilated OR killed, because if they screwed up their tests, they'd lost their Control sample. So they keep her alive, in stasis. Since she was too dangerous to keep on Asuras in the event something happened and she woke up, they shipped her somewhere else.

- All copies of Elizabeth hence seen are replicants of the Control, testing her out in various scenarios to see what her logical reaction would be. We discover that Clone Weir in TMC was part of a carefully designed plan staged to look like a rebellion, as was Franibeth. However, her ability to 'convince' the programs of Ascension, etc turned staged rebellions into real ones.

- So Franibeth is not originally bad. HOWEVER--all copies of Elizabeth had a special program written in to return them to replicator control if they got too out of hand. Franibeth's was never activated because Asuras was destroyed. At that point, she and her band roamed free with nothing to check them.

- When they are 'gated', whichever bad guy (Renegade Asgard or Wraith) pick them up because they have the final Asuran Replicator from Reunion on board (the audience won't be made aware of this until later). He initiates the reprogramming line in Franibeth and uses her to help him find planets where more of the substance for making replicators can be made. I kinda like the idea of the Renegade Asgard as their accomplices, because then we could bring in the Block Replicators and the Asgard really wanting to learn to control them to their advantage.

- That Replicator also knows that the Control is out there, and how dangerous she is. But Oberoth only let a few Replicators be allowed to know her location because of the danger she posed. But all copies of Elizabeth have that also programmed into them--which means Franibeth knows her location if it can be accessed. The Asuran Replicator cannot himself get into it, however, that programming line is more complicated and because Franibeth rebuilt herself in the image of McKay's FRAN, only he knows the whole programming structure (or some other scientific blah-dee-blah).

- Todd/Wraith discover and inform Atlantis that the Renegade Asgard are up to something. The mention blocky spiders. A routine weekly check on the Franibeth replicators finds them missing. Atlantis panics. They track the blocky spiders to a planet where they find Franibeth, who attempts earn their alliance by saying the RA are trying to destroy the last of the Wraith. Atlantis is NOT happy at the use of replicators, but Franibeth assures them it's completely in their control. Plus, she tells them of a weapon that can be used to destroy the replicators if they can find it. She tricks them into digging into her base code and finding the location of 'the Control'. Once she knows this, the Renegade Asgard 'steal' her back and it's a race to get to the Control first.

- The Control, of course, is Elizabeth. Atlantis gets there first and is shocked beyond belief at 'another version' of Liz, but have no choice but to take her with them.

- When she's woken up, our Elizabeth has no idea what's going on. The last thing she remembers is five minutes ago, John escaping with Ronon. Despite her pleas to this, John's been through too much dupli-Weir crap to believe it easily.

- Atlantis does not know who to trust.

- With the Control released, the remaining Asgard has no choice but to start attempting to replicate as quickly as possible, so that he can build an army too big for her to take over. With Atlantis dragging their feet on allowing Elizabeth out, it looks like he can do this. He begins populating a 'replicator material planet' with block replicators, while concealing that he's building a new Asuras elsewhere (a double-double cross on the Renegade Asgard). Atlantis, still unaware there is a true Asuran behind things, thinks Asgard have done this and go to prevent it.

- Franibeth becomes a red herring, pretending to help Atlantis while trying to undermind them and kill the Control. Our Elizabeth, under serious lockdown on Atlantis, grows angry and frustrated that they'd believe Franibeth but have her under watch. She keeps arguing her innocence but her inability to remember anything renders her untrustworthy.

- At the last minute, as Atlantis is going to launch an ARG attack to destroy the replicator infested planet, Franibeth double crosses them, shutting down the system. the Renegade Asgard are double-crossed as their block replicators are destroyed by the planet-wide ARG and one of their ships destroyed by Asuras II. They escape, but it looks like Atlantis will be destroyed by Asuras II.

- Elizabeth takes Atlantis's shutdown as an opportunity to breaks free of lockdown, seize control of the city computer systems with her matrix-y ability, and to use her abilities launches a massive, planet-wide ARG attack on Asuras II. As the city recovers, she returns control to our crew and sets out to find Franibeth personally. Franibeth has the upper hand, but realizes in the end she cannot kill herself--Elizabeth is always about saving Atlantis in the end--so she folds, and our Elizabeth destroys her.

- In the second half of the season, Elizabeth's story would play out in my story like this:

1) Elizabeth has a hard time coping with the change in her friends. It's not been 2 years for her, so seeing John lose his boyishness, finding Teyla in love, McKeller, Carson's clone--it's all REALLY hard to deal with.
2) Elizabeth is not trusted to hold any key role on Atlantis, though she's allowed to stay. She doesn't know what to do with herself (until someone suggests she becomes a Daniel Jackson and John officially commissions her to his team).
3) Elizabeth's nanites are still there and though McKay has PROMISED they're inactive, it still makes people scared of her. She's angry and hurt by this. Work continues on how to deactivate them all, but it's slow progressing.
4) In hand with that, slowly, memories of what Oberoth did to her in the moments following her rescue start flashing back. Seems it wasn't just five minutes after her capture that she was knocked out. She endured hours of mind-probing/torture to find out what she knew about Atlantis. She was also connected to every Replicator copy made of her, so she slowly starts to see thousands of Elizabeth scenarios played out in her head. It begins to drive her crazy. Maybe we have a standalone episode dedicated to the day when her mind goes nuts and we pull a sort of Doppelganger where someone has to go in, find the real Elizabeth and save her. OOOOOOOOO! SHIPPPPPPPPYYYYYYYYY!

As you can see, I haven't given this much thought...

That. Is. Completely Freakin' AWESOME!!!!
No really, there is so much love for this plan right now.

[Southern Red]

I thought about Elizabeth being the reason for the rebellion, but that quickly went to the no column for this reason: that despite how aggressively her friends would push for her, canon does not support John keeping Elizabeth if she's a major threat (see ----> Adrift/Lifeline decisions). To convince John to break with the IOA/SGC in a rebellious way, it would have to be a pretty DAMN big reason, and I can't think of anything that would make him 'go there' unless he was saving something. And he's abandoned Elizabeth in canon when she threatened Atlantis, so if she's a threat to the IOA, she's a threat to Atlantis (logic SUCKS sometimes). I just can't see a good reason for he (and the rest) to support choosing her over the IOA.

I don't like the idea of Atlantis being 'the bad guys' and that's what it would boil down to if it was them against the IOA/SGC, because we still have the SG-1 (and for those watching, SGU) universes to consider. Jack, Sam, Daniel, Vala--they're not bad, they're on Earth, they support the SGC. I don't want Atlantis to go against them.

If, on the other hand, Earth was threatened, I could see Atlantis forcibly cutting itself off to SAVE them. The SGC'd be pissed, but if the threat to Earth was really great, they'd understand.

And, yep, mop up in Season 7.

As to the Franibeth stuff, here's what I have in mind:

<snipped for space>

Since I haven't see the 'subtle nuances' of the official ship, I can't vote. But yay on Carson.

I'm loving this synopsis. I don't see any problems except the challenge of fitting it all in but I guess it would play out over most of the season.

There are no subtle nuances of McKeller unless you think a baseball bat upside the head is subtle. If we vote to continue it, I vote to slow it way down and make it subtle.

[Eri13]

I'm loving this synopsis. I don't see any problems except the challenge of fitting it all in but I guess it would play out over most of the season.

There are no subtle nuances of McKeller unless you think a baseball bat upside the head is subtle. If we vote to continue it, I vote to slow it way down and make it subtle.

Thanks to everyone for opinions--we'll let other weigh in.

As for fitting it in, I'd say about 3 eppies before mid-season, we see Franibeth being reactivated and that's about it. Maybe a mention there's a renegade Asuran still running loose somewhere.

Spoiler:

For the 2 parter, it goes:

- 1st Part: Wraith inform them the RA are up to something. Franibeth is gone. Atlantis tracks down with long range sensors. Discover Franibeth and Renegade Asgard and war against Wraith.

- She informs them of the "Control" Weapon. Small history of how it was created by Oberoth. They find its location in her base code. The Asgard attack and stage a coup once the weapon is discovered. They 'steal back' Franibeth to use her to go get it.

- Atlantis decides to go get the "Control" themselves. They find it (maybe in space so there's no additional replicator planet) and it's Elizabeth.

- SHOCK AND WOOB

- Elizabeth returns home. Speculations on what exactly happened by McKay, Woolsey and John. Massive interview ensue with her, but she remembers Lifeline, that's it. It is ordered she is to be contained at all costs. Her spidey sense begins to sense more replicators somewhere nearby. Atlantis long-range scans and finds a planet where block replicators are thriving.

CLIFFHANAAAAAAAAAGAAAAAAAHHH!

Part II

Atlantis finds out that PWARG is ready from Earth. They get it and head to the block replicator planet; catch is, it has to be fired from Atlantis (requires too much power for a ship, ship's beam not big enough for a planet, science blah-dee-blah).

Franibeth breaks in--she's escaped the Asgard and requests to be rescued so she can help them.

They trust her. Real Elizabeth is still in lockdown and ANGRY.

The attack on the Block Replicator Planet is underway; however, Franibeth seizes control of Atlantis and turns the weapons systems on the Asgard instead.

Atlantis panicks trying to find a way to overcome what she's done; Rodney magic fingers, yada yada. Franibeth contacts the one Asuran and we discover the whole plan--there is one Asuran left and he's been using Franibeth this whole time to help him.

Grand reveal of Asuras II, completely constructed, millions of replicators and that new Atlantis. Atlantis proper is shocked and dismayed.

Our Elizabeth, meanwhile, breaks out of her prison and goes on the lamb. Now they've got two renegade Elizabeth's and one bad*** planet to worry about.

Asuras II destroys the Block Replicators (hey, they're stupid versions of nanites) with their own PWARG, cloned from the one on Atlantis by Franibeth. Asuras II looks to destroy Atlantis.

Elizabeth takes over the Atlantis database. She either seizes control of the entire Asuras II collective and has them turn their PWARG on themselves, or uses Atlantis's. Either way, she PWNS the replicators.

Battle between Franibeth and Elizabeth.

Final scene: Elizabeth is allowed to walk around with guards. Balcony, John comes out to talk to her. Mentions the long road to recovery (and perhaps the long road to trust).

In the next few episodes, we see Rodney find a way to stop her nanites from posing a serious threat and they let her move about the city freely.

The backstory of what really happened to Elizabeth will be mentioned in bits & pieces after that (all that jazz about what Oberoth's master plan was). If that 'multi-Weir' storyline, where she starts to remember stuff and goes crazy over it, is approved, we could also really cover it then.