Elizabeth Weir/John Sheppard Appreciation/Ship/Discussion Thread

[Probie]

Me again!
There is an old episode of NCIS on the French TV and Torri is in it.
Very omportant information for you.lol

[Probie]

The best french verb I could find is pleurer. John et sur le point de pleurer. Does that make sense?

I can't wait to see you and your Mom's responses either!

I understand now. Thanks.
You don't know what you wrote in French?

[Erin87]

Erin! That was such a beautiful fic! And it was just the happy pick-me-up I needed after tangling with my computer's naughty network connection. Thank you for that!

I feel the same way. And kissing John would definitely be better than watching fireworks.

WHAT?! You are worried for my mom....
My dad and I are the victims here. She slept in the car so she's fine. My dad, no. He's sleeping now. I tried to hide me in my room but mom is still with me.
I can't escape her.lol

Erin: Excellent!

AWESOME! Love, love, LOVED this! Fireworks are HUGE in my family and this......this was pure heaven. THANK YOU!

Thanks very much guys! "pure heaven"... wow! Hee. Glad you all liked it.

And the boredom continues so here's another wallpaper that I played with. Vegas!baby and Cash.

Spoiler:

Very nice. Love it.

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Fantastic recap, Eri! You really do give an excellent analysis of these episodes.
My answers to the discussion questions coming later. I think I want to re-watch the episode first.

[Eri13]

I understand now. Thanks.
You don't know what you wrote in French?

Not really. I know a little in how it relates to Spanish (they're both similar languages in structure and word origin) so the saying "et sur le point" I sort of get but I used a French-English online dictionary to find out the French version of 'mourn'.

I hope it's somewhat correct and not offensive.

[Probie]

Not really. I know a little in how it relates to Spanish (they're both similar languages in structure and word origin) but I used a French-English online dictionary to find out the French version of 'mourn'.

I hope it's somewhat correct and not offensive.

Don't worry. It's not offensive. I didn't understand the sense of your question but now yes and thanks to you.
Merci!
French is a complicate language. I have some trouble with it too.lol

[Scary Kitty]

Adrift Q&A!

In spoiler tags because damn, it's long!

Spoiler:

1) Adrift is an interesting episode--not as uplifting as the resolution of The Siege and not as disjointed as No Man's Land. How did you feel about it as a Season premiere?

As the second part of a three-part storyarc, it's an effective bridge episode. As far as season premieres go, it's pretty decent, though it obviously still leaves a lot of things to be resolved in Lifeline. The special effects are always good eyecandy. As is watching John's angst.

2) The opening sequence is a series of cut scenes showing the failing of Atlantis paralleled to the 'failing' of Elizabeth. What did that sequence mean to you? As a fan of Elizabeth, what can you say about its significance in the long run?

As I said before, Elizabeth is the heart and soul of Atlantis. Before I Sleep seemed to play with that idea as well, and I liked seeing the acknowledgement of Elizabeth's real impact on life in Atlantis, even given the story's context of her getting the boot from the show.

3) John steps straight into the role of leader right from the beginning, quietly reminding Rodney that he needs to be informed of all decisions. How did this character move strike you? Was it in character for John? What about as the story progresses--how did he handle everything?

It was very much in character for John; he had to do much the same thing in Rising after Sumner was taken by the Wraith. He handled everything as well as anyone could under the circumstances they were facing.

4) What stood out to you about the infirmary scene where Keller breaks the news to John of Elizabeth's condition? What do you think John was really feeling at that point?

Despair. I think Elizabeth had become this rock of stability for John in the midst of this crazy world they'd entered. And now that rock was crumbling and he likely felt like he had nothing solid to hold onto, that he was totally alone.

5) Was the asteroid belt problem necessary? We're always aiming to amp up the action on Atlantis, but was this overkill?

Hmm. On the one hand, they did need something to keep up the level of danger that Atlantis was in. But on the other hand, yeah, it was probably too much. I think that they could've easily kept the peril immediate with more power failures and doing dangerous repair work without the asteroids.

6) In a key moment in Adrift, Rodney and Keller come up with a plan to reactivate Elizabeth's nanites in order to save her. John is highly opposed to this plan. Was this an anti-Sparky moment, or out of character for Mr. 'leave no one behind?' Or was it completely Sparky and totally in character? Defend or debate John's actions!

It was totally Sparky and totally in character. Certainly John knows that Elizabeth is willing to do the necessary thing and sacrifice for the safety of Atlantis. After what happened in The Real World, I think John had a sense of what Elizabeth felt about the nanites and the potential danger she's carried with her ever since.

7) Keller's move is a little cutthroat, doing anything to save her patient. Was this sensible for her? Should she have respected the nanite situation more? Why doesn't John direct any of his vehemence towards her?

I got the feeling that John maybe wasn't aware that it was Keller, rather than McKay, who came up with the idea of turning the nanites back on. The idea was very much morally questionable, and had me questioning if Keller was really looking out for her patient, or if she was trying to prove something.

8) How did you like Ronon's 'quiet' scenes with Elizabeth? Were they within character for Ronon? Do you wish we'd had more of these, or was this enough to demonstrate his softer side?

I think this was in character for Ronon. He never really got a chance to properly mourn for the loss of Melena and Sateda, and I think that his scenes with Elizabeth here shows how much he's bonded with her as a leader and friend and how her presence and acceptance of him changed his life. In a sense, it kind of parallels how Elizabeth accepted John as well; yet another reason why I think Ronon understands John's feelings better than anyone else.

I do wish we'd gotten to see more of Ronon's softer side.

9) Was it sensible for Rodney to ignore John and reactive the nanites in Elizabeth? Honestly, were you more on Rodney's side or more on John's?

It wasn't sensible of Rodney, but it was understandable. And yeah, I was more on Rodney's side because of course I wanted Elizabeth to stay alive and find a way to help her, but I could see John's point of view about wanting to keep Atlantis safe too.

10) Sam and Dr. Lee pop in occasionally, with no real added benefit to the story (though their significance will be explained in Lifeline). Did you mind them here? Why do you think they were included?

No doubt they were included here in order to set up their appearance in Lifeline. It did get kind of distracting and took time away from the story on Atlantis.

11) Why do you think John goes so far as to order the EMP to deactivate Elizabeth, instead of waiting to see what would happen? What would you imagine was going through his mind as he was fighting with Rodney?

What was going through John's mind? Anger. That Rodney went behind his back, that he couldn't do anything to help Elizabeth and maybe the fear that he was partly to blame for her being hurt. I think it was a lot of the fallout from First Strike finally spilling over.

12) Why do YOU believe John couldn't visit Elizabeth in the infirmary after she was healed?

I think he was scared. Scared of his feelings, probably a little scared of how Elizabeth had changed, and ashamed of feeling that way about someone he cared about. And perhaps trying to protect himself emotionally by keeping himself separate from her so that he could make the hard decisions that he must've known would need to be made.

13) Elizabeth is obviously not happy about the nanites being reactivated in her. What do you see as her biggest concern? Why does she feel her life is not as important as Atlantis?

She knows that she's a danger to Atlantis with the nanites activated; they tried to turn her completely into a Replicator once before, and they could do so again. She's not willing to risk the lives of everyone else on Atlantis just to stay alive herself.

14) Were you surprised that the 'solution' to the Adrift problems seem to lie on Asuras? How sensible is this resolution to the episode, considering the attack on Atlantis only one episode ago?

I wasn't surprised as much as resigned to the fact that this was put in to screw over Elizabeth. It was not sensible at all, but really, what could they do at that point?

15) Remember that Adrift is supposed to start directly after First Strike ends. Did you get that feeling from this episode, that they were connected? Is it easy to watch the two of them back to back, as it is with The Siege? Or had things 'fundamentally' changed for you at this point?

I definitely got the multi-part vibe from Adrift, and I think it really needs to be watched in concert with FS and Lifeline to get the full impact of the overall story.

Sparky bonus

A) How Sparky do you consider Adrift? Is it high on your list? Low? Why?

B) Did you get a sense of Sparky continuity here? If you did, what was it? If not, why not?

C) In your Sparky interpretation, what importance do you place on the 'mourning' scene? Why is it important in the grand scheme of things? How do you think Joe Flanigan played John's reaction?

My answers for all three of these questions overlap, so I'll cover them in one response. Adrift is very high on the Sparky list. The angst from John, the agonizing over what to do with Elizabeth, both before and after the nanites are turned on, is key to showing the depth of John's feelings about Elizabeth. The 'mourning' scene in particular is HUGE for Sparky, both in this episode and in the series as a whole. We've only ever seen John truly lose control of his emotions when it's about Elizabeth, and his reactions here in Adrift continue that pattern of behavior.

D) Is there anything on the Sparky side you would have done differently in Adrift (remember, no business side arguments).

Actually... no. I think the episode struck just the right chord of showing John beginning to face the prospect of life without Elizabeth.

[Scary Kitty]

I was just thinking... I was watching Lilo and Stitch on the Disney Channel while I was working on my answers to Eri's questions on Adrift, and my mind kept circling around the movie's emphasis on the Hawaiian concept of ohana, or family. There's a line in the movie: "Ohana means family. No one gets left behind. Or forgotten."

Damnit, even Disney gets it!

[pkprd869]

Alright, since I really need to do real work now, my last contribution for the day--

Adrift Discussion

1) Adrift is an interesting episode--not as uplifting as the resolution of The Siege and not as disjointed as No Man's Land. How did you feel about it as a Season premiere?

I thought is was one of the better ones, like back in SG-1's heyday. Action, suspense, and even a dash of humor. It set up "Lifeline" very well.

2) The opening sequence is a series of cut scenes showing the failing of Atlantis paralleled to the 'failing' of Elizabeth. What did that sequence mean to you? As a fan of Elizabeth, what can you say about its significance in the long run?

Lizzie is at the top, so the buck stops with her. I don't think it means anything long term. Did I disagree with some of Lizzie's calls; of course. I still thought she did a dang fine job running Atlantis though.

3) John steps straight into the role of leader right from the beginning, quietly reminding Rodney that he needs to be informed of all decisions. How did this character move strike you? Was it in character for John? What about as the story progresses--how did he handle everything?

He's a military officer, I would expect nothing less. I don't think Lizzie or Ronon, Rodney, Teyla, Lorne, Zalenka, etc would expect anything less. Being an officer in combat I think (I've never been in combat) means at least in part putting your feelings aside and completing the mission. I feel Shep acted completely as he should have.

4) What stood out to you about the infirmary scene where Keller breaks the news to John of Elizabeth's condition? What do you think John was really feeling at that point?

I actually felt for the man. I've been fortunate enough to not have a girlfriend/wife in that situation. I probably would've started tearing down walls not knowing how to deal with the rage, fear, and confusion.

5) Was the asteroid belt problem necessary? We're always aiming to amp up the action on Atlantis, but was this overkill?

I thought it was cool. Maybe made Shep look to "Superman" but I thought it was nice to see Shep and Zalenka working together.

Spoiler:

6) In a key moment in Adrift, Rodney and Keller come up with a plan to reactivate Elizabeth's nanites in order to save her. John is highly opposed to this plan. Was this an anti-Sparky moment, or out of character for Mr. 'leave no one behind?' Or was it completely Sparky and totally in character? Defend or debate John's actions!

Completely spark. It wasn't a case of leave no man behind. Shep stated he knew Lizzie would not want the nanites reactivated. Essentially, Shep is being loyal to Lizzie's wishes. I agree with Shep completely in this case. Some see it as selfless and I see it as self-centered. Shep is following his sense of duty, his sense of honor, and his sense of loyalty.

7) Keller's move is a little cutthroat, doing anything to save her patient. Was this sensible for her? Should she have respected the nanite situation more? Why doesn't John direct any of his vehemence towards her?

With no family as medical proxy, she is obligated to do anything to save her patient. I would be disappointed and hated Keller if she gave up. I think Shep understand this and Keller wasn't around for TRW. Keller and Shep don't have the type of relationship Shep and McKay have. I see why Shep went off on Rodney, he felt his friend stuck a knife in his back. I don't think McKay did, but I understand how Shep feels.

8) How did you like Ronon's 'quiet' scenes with Elizabeth? Were they within character for Ronon? Do you wish we'd had more of these, or was this enough to demonstrate his softer side?

I though the scenes were excellent. Ronon's a man of few words, I think they were completely in character and showed Ronon's sense of friendship, honor, and loyalty.

9) Was it sensible for Rodney to ignore John and reactive the nanites in Elizabeth? Honestly, were you more on Rodney's side or more on John's?

I don't think sensible is the word. Understandable... yes. McKay doesn't have many friends, and he does anything to save the one's he does. McKay, like Shep, can't handle losing people he cares about. I think it was wrong for him to do what he did, but would any of you be mad at your friend if (s)he saved your life using means you did not like?

10) Sam and Dr. Lee pop in occasionally, with no real added benefit to the story (though their significance will be explained in Lifeline). Did you mind them here? Why do you think they were included?

I didn't mind them. They were like a water break from all the action and drama. One needs water breaks now and then.

11) Why do you think John goes so far as to order the EMP to deactivate Elizabeth, instead of waiting to see what would happen? What would you imagine was going through his mind as he was fighting with Rodney?

Shep and Rodney are probably angry, confused, scared, and stressed to the max. I think Shep did it to stay true to his perceived feeling of Lizzie about nanites.

12) Why do YOU believe John couldn't visit Elizabeth in the infirmary after she was healed?

Simple, he couldn't handle it. He couldn't look her in the face and see the anger, sadness, disappointment, and fear in Lizzie. Shep would blame himself for all these things, and combined with trying to save Atlantis would've broke Shep. He's played it smart and got emotional when he knew he could.

13) Elizabeth is obviously not happy about the nanites being reactivated in her. What do you see as her biggest concern? Why does she feel her life is not as important as Atlantis?

I think her biggest concern is Atlantis security. Replicators are the toughest enemy to kill. I also think nanites have left Lizzie uneasy about her sense of self. She's not sure if she's Lizzie with them active. Why Lizzie thinks her life is less important than Atlantis is her ideas of honor, loyalty, and duty. Their pretty much a copy of Shep's.

14) Were you surprised that the 'solution' to the Adrift problems seem to lie on Asuras? How sensible is this resolution to the episode, considering the attack on Atlantis only one episode ago?

No I wasn't surprised. Seeing how the Asurans have a whole bunch a ZPM's, it made sense to steal them.

15) Remember that Adrift is supposed to start directly after First Strike ends. Did you get that feeling from this episode, that they were connected? Is it easy to watch the two of them back to back, as it is with The Siege? Or had things 'fundamentally' changed for you at this point?

I thought the writers did a nice job of picking up where "First Strike" ended. I think all three could be watched back to back without problems.

Sparky bonus

A) How Sparky do you consider Adrift? Is it high on your list? Low? Why?

It's very high. That cliche about loosing and not knowing what you've got and all that.

B) Did you get a sense of Sparky continuity here? If you did, what was it? If not, why not?

I did, but Atlantis' larger arcs a pretty spread out. But I think it stayed true to how they feel about one another that we know.

C) In your Sparky interpretation, what importance do you place on the 'mourning' scene? Why is it important in the grand scheme of things? How do you think Joe Flanigan played John's reaction?

I think it is very important. It shows the pain Shep feels. I think Mr. Flanigan did a bang up job.

D) Is there anything on the Sparky side you would have done differently in Adrift (remember, no business side arguments).

I thought they did it very well. (Given we all wanted Lizzie to stay.) I think some kind of deathbed love confession would have ruined sparky.

Whew, that was alot.

[Scary Kitty]

Whew, that was alot.

There's a lot to say about this episode.

Speaking of which, where is everyone else? Have they been intimidated by Eri's questions?

[Southern Red]

Good morning. I'm here for a bit until football.

You know the sadness that was Adrift was almost off set by the squeeness because in a lot of minds Sparky became canon right with this episode. Too bad it was posthumous on Elizabeth's part. But that's why I can't get too upset by anything that might occur romance wise for John in a possible to happen someday if the wind is from the east and jupiter is in retrograde movie.

[Regularamanda]

Darn it I missed Adrift questions and whatnot

Oh so I came for a reason (other then of course to hear the wonderful sparky things )

For those of you that have Live Journals...can I talk you guys in to vote for Week 6- eye!sex we really need some more votes. And you can still vote even if you didn't make icons.

And also Week 7- Coup D'etat is through September 19th. And because I couldn't choose between the pics, you can make 8 icons instead of the normal 5. So I'd be so incrediably happy if you guys could vote/make icons!

Oh and a bribe! (picspam)

Spoiler:

[Probie]

1) Adrift is an interesting episode--not as uplifting as the resolution of The Siege and not as disjointed as No Man's Land. How did you feel about it as a Season premiere?

I very like this episode. There is everything in it: Humor, action, drama.
Mom likes it too.

2) The opening sequence is a series of cut scenes showing the failing of Atlantis paralleled to the 'failing' of Elizabeth. What did that sequence mean to you? As a fan of Elizabeth, what can you say about its significance in the long run?

It's one of my favorite scene in this episode. That show the link between Elizabeth and the city. Great to see for once the city without the real leader.
Mom: She loves it too. It was very intense.

3) John steps straight into the role of leader right from the beginning, quietly reminding Rodney that he needs to be informed of all decisions. How did this character move strike you? Was it in character for John? What about as the story progresses--how did he handle everything?

It's in the character. John puts his feelings aside and did a great job. He stays focus on the mission even if he is a little broken. He's a military.
Momhe was surprised to see that for once the character of John was weel written. She likes the fact that he is focus on his job. He will handle his feelings later. Now he has a city to save.

4) What stood out to you about the infirmary scene where Keller breaks the news to John of Elizabeth's condition? What do you think John was really feeling at that point?

It's the no-shipper in me who talk. The first time that I watched this episode, I was speechless. I never saw John so sad and almost crying. I always saw the bond between him and Elizabeth but never imagined more than friendship. I realized that he never reacted like this with the others so I started to see more than friendship thanks to this scene.
Mom: Beautiful scene. John is like the husband who has to confront the bad news about his wife. He has to deal with new feelings: love and rage. (oh mom, don't cry lol)

5) Was the asteroid belt problem necessary? We're always aiming to amp up the action on Atlantis, but was this overkill?

Cool and that's all.lol

6) In a key moment in Adrift, Rodney and Keller come up with a plan to reactivate Elizabeth's nanites in order to save her. John is highly opposed to this plan. Was this an anti-Sparky moment, or out of character for Mr. 'leave no one behind?' Or was it completely Sparky and totally in character? Defend or debate John's actions!

No-shipper: He respects her wishes. We can see that John knows very well Elizabeth. Totally in the character and totally agree with him.
Mom: He's brave to take his decision. He wants to save her but the city comes first. Not anti-sparky momen but a great one.

7) Keller's move is a little cutthroat, doing anything to save her patient. Was this sensible for her? Should she have respected the nanite situation more? Why doesn't John direct any of his vehemence towards her?

She's a doc. She wants to save everybody. She's like Carson (exemple: Carson with the grandmother of Teyla. Charrin?). John feels betrayed by Rodney because it is his friend and Rondey knows that Elizabeth suffered with the nanites (TRW). Keller is doing her job so he can't be angry against her.
Momhe says the same thing. Thanks mom.lol

8) How did you like Ronon's 'quiet' scenes with Elizabeth? Were they within character for Ronon? Do you wish we'd had more of these, or was this enough to demonstrate his softer side?

Oh these scenes are beautiful. Ronon doesn't talk a lot but when he talks it's for something very important. Totally in the character. He wants to say "thanks" to Elizabeth. She gave him a chance to begin a new life and she saved him.

9) Was it sensible for Rodney to ignore John and reactive the nanites in Elizabeth? Honestly, were you more on Rodney's side or more on John's?

I let this one for mom (even if I agree with her.lol). She can understand the reaction of Rodney. She will do the same. When you are almost losing a friend, you are ready to do anything to save him/her. Very selfish, but very human.

10) Sam and Dr. Lee pop in occasionally, with no real added benefit to the story (though their significance will be explained in Lifeline). Did you mind them here? Why do you think they were included?

Both: BORING scenes.lol

11) Why do you think John goes so far as to order the EMP to deactivate Elizabeth, instead of waiting to see what would happen? What would you imagine was going through his mind as he was fighting with Rodney?

He already said goodbye to "his" Elizabeth. He knows she will never be like before. And he thinks about the safety of the city. Maybe he was hurt to think that Rodney can think that John is not ready to do anything for Elizabeth. Am I clear here? No...ok.lol
Mom: In the character. He doesn't want to put Elizabeth in an horrible situation like TRW and the city is more important at this moment. He thinks like a leader. Great scene. And for once, Rodney calls Shep "John". He tries to convince the man/friend and not the leader.

12) Why do YOU believe John couldn't visit Elizabeth in the infirmary after she was healed?

Too much pain and he feels guilty because he doesn't respect her wishes.

13) Elizabeth is obviously not happy about the nanites being reactivated in her. What do you see as her biggest concern? Why does she feel her life is not as important as Atlantis?

Like John, her biggest concern is the safety of the city. She's ready to die for save the people in the city.
Mom: Amen to my girl.lol And she doesn't want to live again what she lived in TRW.

14) Were you surprised that the 'solution' to the Adrift problems seem to lie on Asuras? How sensible is this resolution to the episode, considering the attack on Atlantis only one episode ago?

Both: No suprised.

15) Remember that Adrift is supposed to start directly after First Strike ends. Did you get that feeling from this episode, that they were connected? Is it easy to watch the two of them back to back, as it is with The Siege? Or had things 'fundamentally' changed for you at this point?

It's easy to watch them back to back.

A) How Sparky do you consider Adrift? Is it high on your list? Low? Why?

Me: HIgh because my sparky disease started here.
Mom: High. This episode confirms what she already knew about John and Elizabeth.

C) In your Sparky interpretation, what importance do you place on the 'mourning' scene? Why is it important in the grand scheme of things? How do you think Joe Flanigan played John's reaction?

Now that I understand the word “mourning”, I can answer this question. Joe did an excellent job here. For the first, we saw John fighting his feelings. He shows us his pain. I love Joe for this scene.
Mom: Woa! (means she loves the reaction of John. She loves how Joe plays this scene. And yes it was very important for the episode)

D) Is there anything on the Sparky side you would have done differently in Adrift (remember, no business side arguments).

Me: No. I like the fact that John never really said goodbye to Elizabeth.
Mom: Yes. She’s alive. She’s married with John.lol More seriously, no. The episode was perfect for the Sparky side.

Voilà.

Hi regularamanda! Thanks for the beautiful picspam

[Eri13]

I very like this episode. There is everything in it: Humor, action, drama.
Mom likes it too.



It's one of my favorite scene in this episode. That show the link between Elizabeth and the city. Great to see for once the city without the real leader.
Mom: She loves it too. It was very intense.



It's in the character. John puts his feelings aside and did a great job. He stays focus on the mission even if he is a little broken. He's a military.
Momhe was surprised to see that for once the character of John was weel written. She likes the fact that he is focus on his job. He will handle his feelings later. Now he has a city to save.



It's the no-shipper in me who talk. The first time that I watched this episode, I was speechless. I never saw John so sad and almost crying. I always saw the bond between him and Elizabeth but never imagined more than friendship. I realized that he never reacted like this with the others so I started to see more than friendship thanks to this scene.
Mom: Beautiful scene. John is like the husband who has to confront the bad news about his wife. He has to deal with new feelings: love and rage. (oh mom, don't cry lol)



Cool and that's all.lol



No-shipper: He respects her wishes. We can see that John knows very well Elizabeth. Totally in the character and totally agree with him.
Mom: He's brave to take his decision. He wants to save her but the city comes first. Not anti-sparky momen but a great one.



She's a doc. She wants to save everybody. She's like Carson (exemple: Carson with the grandmother of Teyla. Charrin?). John feels betrayed by Rodney because it is his friend and Rondey knows that Elizabeth suffered with the nanites (TRW). Keller is doing her job so he can't be angry against her.
Momhe says the same thing. Thanks mom.lol



Oh these scenes are beautiful. Ronon doesn't talk a lot but when he talks it's for something very important. Totally in the character. He wants to say "thanks" to Elizabeth. She gave him a chance to begin a new life and she saved him.



I let this one for mom (even if I agree with her.lol). She can understand the reaction of Rodney. She will do the same. When you are almost losing a friend, you are ready to do anything to save him/her. Very selfish, but very human.



Both: BORING scenes.lol



He already said goodbye to "his" Elizabeth. He knows she will never be like before. And he thinks about the safety of the city. Maybe he was hurt to think that Rodney can think that John is not ready to do anything for Elizabeth. Am I clear here? No...ok.lol
Mom: In the character. He doesn't want to put Elizabeth in an horrible situation like TRW and the city is more important at this moment. He thinks like a leader. Great scene. And for once, Rodney calls Shep "John". He tries to convince the man/friend and not the leader.



Too much pain and he feels guilty because he doesn't respect her wishes.



Like John, her biggest concern is the safety of the city. She's ready to die for save the people in the city.
Mom: Amen to my girl.lol And she doesn't want to live again what she lived in TRW.



Both: No suprised.



It's easy to watch them back to back.



Me: HIgh because my sparky disease started here.
Mom: High. This episode confirms what she already knew about John and Elizabeth.




Now that I understand the word “mourning”, I can answer this question. Joe did an excellent job here. For the first, we saw John fighting his feelings. He shows us his pain. I love Joe for this scene.
Mom: Woa! (means she loves the reaction of John. She loves how Joe plays this scene. And yes it was very important for the episode)

Me: No. I like the fact that John never really said goodbye to Elizabeth.
Mom: Yes. She’s alive. She’s married with John.lol More seriously, no. The episode was perfect for the Sparky side.

Voilà.

Hi regularamanda! Thanks for the beautiful picspam

Probie, I love the dual answers! That was awesome! You and your mom brought up some great points.

1) I loved how you were shocked at the 'mourning' scene coming from a non-shipper perspective first and it changed your mind. I think that may have set the ball rolling with the non-shippers or gen watchers who, by the time GITM rolled around, began to see the bond. It may not have made them all 'shippers' per se, but they began to see her importance to him a little better.

2) I love your Mom's point of how he'd already said goodbye to 'his' Elizabeth. In a way that's true, and then this mess comes up and she's never quite the same, though she's still some form of Elizabeth, which has to be hard for him. It fits in perfectly with the balance between hesitancy and acceptance he shows in TMC and GITM. Like he's afraid to believe this is 'real' Elizabeth, and yet he really wants to believe it.

That issue will arise again and again in the remainder of the episodes with Elizabeth returning...good point that I'll incorporate later! Thanks to your Mom!!

regularamanda, we only posted the Adrift recap yesterday, so you've got plenty of time to read through and answer the questions.

[Probie]

Probie, I love the dual answers! That was awesome! You and your mom brought up some great points.

1) I loved how you were shocked at the 'mourning' scene coming from a non-shipper perspective first and it changed your mind. I think that may have set the ball rolling with the non-shippers or gen watchers who, by the time GITM rolled around, began to see the bond. It may not have made them all 'shippers' per se, but they began to see her importance to him a little better.

2) I love your Mom's point of how he'd already said goodbye to 'his' Elizabeth. In a way that's true, and then this mess comes up and she's never quite the same, though she's still some form of Elizabeth, which has to be hard for him. It fits in perfectly with the balance between hesitancy and acceptance he shows in TMC and GITM. Like he's afraid to believe this is 'real' Elizabeth, and yet he really wants to believe it.

That issue will arise again and again in the remainder of the episodes with Elizabeth returning...good point that I'll incorporate later! Thanks to your Mom!!

regularamanda, we only posted the Adrift recap yesterday, so you've got plenty of time to read through and answer the questions.

Hey! It was MY idea. I'm the brain in our duo.lol
It was fun to answer your questions. My mom and I really like this because we can have a discussion about each episode.We have some different point of view for some scenes and it's very interesting sometimes. Oh I love my mom.

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Hey! It was MY idea. I'm the brain in our duo.lol
It was fun to answer your questions. My mom and I really like this because we can have a discussion about each episode.We have some different point of view for some scenes and it's very interesting sometimes. Oh I love my mom.

Apologies! I think you're both very smart!

I can do that with my Mom on Lost. Normally she watches 'chick-flicks' (Lifetime movie network, romance movies) which I don't like (I detest them, actually). And normally I'm all Sci-Fi or action/adventure.

But for some reason, she LOVES Lost. So every Wednesday, we curl up on our sofas and watch Lost together. It's WONDERFUL. Though I am sad it's ending this year because it means no more of that. It may be the one show on television we can watch together. *LOL*